Nick Berg Conspiracy theory... :(

[Kilgor]

I dont believe any of these... but this is circulating around the left camp already. Hardly suprising.



1) extremely convenient "wag the dog" timing at the height of furor regarding U.S. torture of Iraqis

2) CNN poll question: "Is the Berg killing a reason for withholding any remaining Iraq prisoner abuse pictures?" Bush has been reported to be struggling with question of whether Pentagon should release additional torture photos. Given that the alleged decapitation of Berg was allegedly prompted by the first wave of torture photos, Bush could now cite "national security" issues for witholding additional materials.

3) Berg's last known whereabouts was in U.S. custody.

4) Berg shown in video wearing orange jumpsuit known to be of U.S. issue (compare with pictures at Guantanamo).

5) Berg mysteriously captured by Al-Quaeda (still wearing jumpsuit). Either he escaped from U.S. captors or U.S. let him out -- with orange suit and all -- to be immediately apprehended by Al-Quaeda (before he had a chance to change).

6) Tape obviously spliced together and heavily edited. Goes from a) Berg sitting in chair talking about family, to b) Berg sitting on floor with hooded "militants" behind, to c) blurry camera movement, to d) almost motionless Berg on floor as head cut off.

7) Audio clearly dubbed in.

8) "Arab" reader flips through pages of "statement" and keeps ending up on the same page. Perhaps doesn't even known enough Arabic to recognize what page he's on?

9) "Arabs" have lily-white hands and (other exposed) skin.

10) "Arabs" have Western-style body posture and mannerisms.

11) When Berg decapitated, there was almost no blood. If Berg were still alive at this point, with the cut starting at front of throat, blood would have been spraying everywhere. Berg's severed head, the floor, Berg's clothes, and even the hand of the "Arab" who decapitated Berg had no visible blood on it.

12) Berg's body didn't move while on the ground. Although held down, Berg would have tried to instinctively wiggle and writhe away from captor's grip.

13) Camera angle made it impossible to see if Berg's eyes were even open.

14) Alleged "scream" from Berg sounded to be that of a woman and was clearly dubbed in.

15) Berg goes to great trouble to identify himself, providing information about his family. Why? To elicit greater sympathy? Or to provide a positive ID. FBI visited Berg family in an attempt to "verify his identity". Guy in video looks very little like Berg photos provided by family.



:slap:

[Uncle Sam]

I knew this was coming...

[Tane Angle]

:roll: It's not worth the time and energy of guessing what really happened. No one will ever know. At least that's how it's been in the past.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[ExtraT]

Any arguments about what's seen or heard on the video are completely pointless, concidering the horrible quality of the video that's floating around.

[KalleBalleSvartSk@lle]

There's always people questioning things, I will not comment on it as I haven't seen the video.
I saw the same stuff somewhere about Uday and Qusay, there was only one relevant thing mentioned in it, but that doesn't fit in this thread unless someone wants it to go OT and end up in a flame war.

[ExtraT]

2) CNN poll question: "Is the Berg killing a reason for withholding any remaining Iraq prisoner abuse pictures?"

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. In any military, there is no such thing as "nonclassified information". The military is not obligated to release any information to the general public(That's what sets the military apart in the first place). The fact the the first batch of photos was leaked is actually a big failure of the military, and I'm certain that there is an internal investigation of that going on.

I'm pretty sure there is no contemplation whatsoever to release antyhing else. And if I'm mistaken about that, then I will be gravely disappointed in the current US administration.

[seruriermarshal]

Kilgor
So sorry , Please accept my apology .

[Kilgor]

9) "Arabs" have lily-white hands and (other exposed) skin.


:fork:

Kilgor you crazy ? !


Grrr dude...

read what i wrote

I dont believe any of this **** either !

[Uncle Sam]

Kilgor: Where did you get this? A link please.

[Commie]

Not to be a bitch, but you read all the way down to nine you seem to have missed the absolutely first sentence of kilgors thread. I thought i'd point that out so Kilgor here wont be flamed for no reason. He just put it out here to point out what some people in the world seem to be thinking about this.

( Kilgor got there before i, oh nevermind.)

[seruriermarshal]

9) "Arabs" have lily-white hands and (other exposed) skin.


:fork:

Kilgor you crazy ? !


Grrr dude...

read what i wrote

I dont believe any of this **** either !

So sorry , Please accept my apology .

[seruriermarshal]

Not to be a bitch, but you read all the way down to nine you seem to have missed the absolutely first sentence of kilgors thread. I thought i'd point that out so Kilgor here wont be flamed for no reason. He just put it out here to point out what some people in the world seem to be thinking about this.

( Kilgor got there before i, oh nevermind.)

Al-Qaeda thinking about this .

[RomanS]

Industrial Light and Magic did it all the effects. In fact, the whole scene is Computer Generated.

ILM is responsible for many things in the past. Including helping with special effects for Chechen terrorists, and their videos.

[Kilgor]

So sorry , Please accept my apology .

Tis ok...

many of us miss text on the net at times. Especially when your ment to be working

:D

[scm77]

Clearly the brutal murder of an innocent American was just an attempt by Bush to cover up the prioner abuse scandal. :roll: :bash:

[sethen]

her is one more theory to think about, is/was Berg Jewish. If so why did he allegedly have a Koran and a "anti-semitic" book in his possesion?

[UkrainianAmerican]

her is one more theory to think about, is/was Berg Jewish. If so why did he allegedly have a Koran and a "anti-semitic" book in his possesion?
He was also, allegedly, an A.N.S.W.E.R. freak. I guess that overrided his "jewishness" :|

[Kilgor]

I know this is terrible. but there isnt much blood when the act is commited.

This is the main thing the conspiracy theorists are wanking off over.

Can anyone provide a answer on this ?

[MetalBoy]

I know this is terrible. but there isnt much blood when the act is commited.

This is the main thing the conspiracy theorists are wanking off over.

Can anyone provide a answer on this ?

Simply, to ignore their bull**** is the way to deal with them.

[Uncle Sam]

It's real. It really happened. Let it go.

[Kilgor]

I know i should...

but grrr.. i hate those guys...

The whole zionist / CIA world conspiracy thing

[seruriermarshal]

The picture has been processed .

[Argyll]

I'm closely watching this topic ;)

[ShotOver]

A.N.S.W.E.R... what's that?
I think it's some communist thing, but im not sure.

[ikurinturbiini]

Industrial Light and Magic did it all the effects. In fact, the whole scene is Computer Generated.

ILM is responsible for many things in the past. Including helping with special effects for Chechen terrorists, and their videos.

rofl Good one. So there IS a lighter side of Permskii!

[Tane Angle]

Just one thing to consider, perhaps. ANSWER is more anti-war(sometimes naively so), but that doesn't mean all it's members are very liberal or even Democrat. What I'm getting at here is that a man who uses the word "sin" in such a context doesn't strike me as being the most liberal person. That's not a sure thing though.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[American Patriot]

A lot of Americans are Christians

Have a good one and just some thoughts..

[Tane Angle]

Very true. Then again I'm Catholic, born and raised, but I don't use the word sin. ;) Berg's father's use of the word doesn't mean anything for sure, but reading people is about taking a lot of clues like that and putting them together.

[sethen]

The Reason I brought up Bergs Jewishness was that my mother read he was Jewish. She said his father described as being "observant" as well as ,"supporting the Iraq war." WTF??? This contradicts a lot of what has been said.

From what I have gathered about his personality he seems to be a nornal descent kid. Um,...but doesn't a lot of the things he did defy common sense?

1. The F.B.I. said he had connections to Zacharias Mussauai (Did I spee that right?)

2. Went to Iraq ALONE and without any weapons. :cantbeli: (???)

3. In the Video the lad is dressed in what can be described as an American style prison uniform. Was he released from American custody straight to the streets with that thing on? WTF???

4. Then he immediately falls into the hands of Zarqawi the absolute head terrrorist there in Iraq!!!! Again..WTF??? :cantbeli:

5. My mother said while being held his Father filed suit against Donald Rumsfeld and The NEXT day he was released. Reference #3.

6. Russian American thinks he was a member of ANSWER. Reference 1st paragraph. WTF???

Food for thought

[Bob the Drunk]

Berg was not in US custody, but rather Iraqi custody. He was help on suspicion of spying for Israel b/c of an Israeli visa on his passport (I mean how many of us would just go to Iraq to look for work, i know the economy here is still rebounding, but i doubt after a bad interview they would kill you in LA). He was released and a couple of days later he was grabed by someone. To say that is was the Americans sounds an awful lot like post 9/11 when people were saying we crashed those planes to justify a war. I just don't buy it. Also, even if there was no prisoner abuse crap going on (and don't get me started on that) they would have killed this guy anyway.

Just my $.02

[2Sheds_Jackson]

The Reason I brought up Bergs Jewishness was that my mother read he was Jewish. She said his father described as being "observant" as well as ,"supporting the Iraq war." WTF??? This contradicts a lot of what has been said.

From what I have gathered about his personality he seems to be a nornal descent kid. Um,...but doesn't a lot of the things he did defy common sense?

1. The F.B.I. said he had connections to Zacharias Mussauai (Did I spee that right?)


Yes, this is the one part of this thing that sounds very odd indeed. From AP;


In an odd twist, it also emerged Thursday that the FBI questioned Berg in 2002 about an e-mail address traced to him that was used by an acquintance of terrorism suspect Zacarias Moussaoui (search). Investigators concluded that Berg had nothing to do with Moussaoui.

Now, I'm not a conspiracy nut, but what are the frickin' odds of that happening? How many humans on the planet...and these two wind up with a direct connection like that. I really don't know what to say other than to wait this out & see what is discovered.

[weedman]

Basically, I don't believe this...but history has shown that it is important to be critical, remember "Jessica Lynch"? :roll: :bash:

[ExtraT]

...remember "Jessica Lynch"? :roll: :bash:

What about her?

[ExtraT]

...remember "Jessica Lynch"? :roll: :bash:

What about her?

[Kampfbaer]

Considering the reaction of Mr. Berg´s parents toward the US-Government in press and on TV it is hard to believe, that this grizzly execution was just a make up.

I´m not going to believe any of this ****ty theory.

[Kampfbaer]

Sorry, duoble post. ;)

[weedman]

Considering the reaction of Mr. Berg´s parents toward the US-Government in press and on TV it is hard to believe, that this grizzly execution was just a make up.

I´m not going to believe any of this ****ty theory.Some interesting points for you (german):
http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/special/irak/17431/1.html

[front]

her is one more theory to think about, is/was Berg Jewish. If so why did he allegedly have a Koran and a "anti-semitic" book in his possesion?
He was also, allegedly, an A.N.S.W.E.R. freak. I guess that overrided his "jewishness" :|

An "A.N.S.W.E.R. freak"? Not according to this source:

"Michael Berg described himself as fervently anti-war, but said his son disagreed. "He was a Bush supporter," Berg said. "He looked at it as bringing democracy to a country that didn't have it.""

http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/sports/horse_racing/kentucky_derby/8638882.htm

Where is your source that he was an "A.N.S.W.E.R. freak"?

cheers

front

[Kampfbaer]

@ weedman Thanks for the link. Quite interesting and with more detail than the points stated at the beginning of the thread.

But i still can´t believe.

Well only time will tell....

[weedman]

...remember "Jessica Lynch"? :roll: :bash:

What about her?

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1051643375850

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/correspondent/3028585.stm

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=46688937

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030523-123031-4788r.htm

[Argyll]

Weedman,you are trolling here.
And you reposted the Bushism's where they were previously locked,get this back on topic or your post's about Lynch will be removed,as they are Well of topic.

[FinnishMF]

http://www.genmay.net/showthread.php?t=354134

Interesting...

[ExtraT]

Weedman:

So, what does that prove? And, specifically, what are you peddling?

[FinnishMF]

Weedman:

So, what does that prove? And, specifically, what are you peddling?
Nothin. Just interesting points, who knows the truth ;)

[ExtraT]

At a risk of repeating myself:

Any visual analysis of the video floating on the net is ABSOLUTELY POINTLESS. The video's quality is such, that ABSOLUTELY ANY conculsions can be drawn.

[American Patriot]

You have to be on drugs to think the video is fake. Dumbest thing I've heard in weeks.

[weedman]

So, what does that prove? Nothing...just want to sensitize the dealings with such things in the media.

[weedman]

You have to be on drugs to think the video is fake. Dumbest thing I've heard in weeks.A lot of experts think he was already dead during the brutal and inhuman beheading.

Also the regular blood spread was missing, they said.

I did not watch it, because I'm not sure whether I could withstand it and I want to respect his dignity.

[ibstolidude]

You have to be on drugs to think the video is fake. Dumbest thing I've heard in weeks.A lot of experts think he was already dead during the brutal and inhuman beheading.

Also the regular blood spread was missing, they said.

I did not watch it, because I'm not sure whether I could withstand it and I want to respect his dignity.Then do not comment on it - Alot if experts have seen the massive pool of blood in the lower right hand corner.

There is no point. Let it go.

[weedman]

Then do not comment on it"Shut the f*ck up man, I only told about what I read, I neither know if it is right, nor if it is justified.

[ibstolidude]

Then do not comment on it"Shut the f*ck up man, I only told about what I read, I neither know if it is right, nor if it is justified.
Really if you are only posting this in order to get varying opinions why then have your opinions been one sided?

I only posted on what I read.

I guess the list of useless trolls was not long enough.

[weedman]

Really if you are only posting this in order to get varying opinions why then have your opinions been one sided?

I only posted on what I read.
Sorry, but I don't get it :|

[ibstolidude]

Really if you are only posting this in order to get varying opinions why then have your opinions been one sided?

I only posted on what I read.
Sorry, but I don't get it :|Obviously - and yet that does not stop you from choosing to resort to insults -
Shut the f*ck up man.

[American Patriot]

I watched it many times. His mouth was moving as he was gasping for air before the terrorists completely cut his head off.

[weedman]

Obviously - and yet that does not stop you from choosing to resort to insults -Don't twist things ...

I simply don't want you to determine what I read, think or post, got it?

[ibstolidude]

Obviously - and yet that does not stop you from choosing to resort to insults -Don't twist things ...

I simply don't want you to determine what I read, think or post, got it?
and where did that happen? where were your words twisted? How did being insulting help? You posted the crap not me. I simply posted that for every pipe dream conspiracy theory you choose to post on this topic - there are experts on the opposite side. For a person who claims to still be waiting to decide - then as I stated do not comment - simply wait for the evidence or verdict. And as I posted if you are just present the "potential evidence" why do you post only one side? I imagine you can find an "expert" that believes aliens did it. What experts are these that you propose to have read from?

As you stated you did not watch it - so as I stated then why comment on it? - many others here that have seen it gave a distinctly different account.

[Argyll]

Goodbye weedman :bash:

Better get something else lined up for the weekend as you sure as hell won't be posting here when Hood logs in later


The lack of respect to a Moderator just defies belief..............you are the weakest link............................Goodbye

Oh and topic locked all due to the arrogance of Weedman,don't come greeting to the Mods about this,blame those who like to troll