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2Sheds_Jackson
09-27-2007, 04:13 PM
Oh thank you, thank you left wing base for stories like this.



A fairy tale about two princes falling in love sparked a backlash — and a lawsuit — against a teacher and a school last year when it was read to a second-grade class in Massachusetts.

But the three frontrunners in the Democratic presidential race suggested Wednesday night at their debate in New Hampshire that they’d support reading the controversial book to schoolchildren as part of a school curriculum.

Moderator Tim Russert asked John Edwards, Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton whether they’d be comfortable having the story — called “King & King” — read to their children in school.

Edwards gave the first and most definitive answer — a resounding and instant “yes, absolutely” — although he added that it “might be a little tough” for second-graders.

Obama agreed with Edwards and revealed that his wife has already spoken to his 6- and 9-year-old daughters about same-*** marriage.
Clinton said she believes it’s up to parents to decide how to handle such topics, but added that it’s important to teach kids about the “many differences that are in the world.”

Same-*** marriage is legal in Massachusetts, and, as Russert pointed out Wednesday, most of the Democratic candidates have said they oppose it. But though they don't back the legislation, they apparently think it's OK to teach elementary-school students about gay marriage.

“I want my children to understand everything about the difficulties that gay and lesbian couples are faced with every day, the discrimination that they’re faced with every single day of their lives,” Edwards said. “I suspect my two younger children, Emma Claire, who’s 9, and Jack, who’s 7, will reach the same conclusion that my daughter Cate, who’s 25, has reached — which is, she doesn’t understand why her dad is not in favor of same-*** marriage.”

The 2004 vice presidential candidate and former North Carolina senator said he doesn’t want to influence his kids’ opinions about the issue.
“I don’t want to make that decision on behalf of my children,” he said. “I want my children to be able to make that decision on behalf of themselves, and I want them to be exposed to all the information, even in — did you say second grade? Second grade might be a little tough, but even in second grade to be exposed to all those possibilities, because I don’t want to impose my view. Nobody made me God.”

Obama told Russert that his sentiments are similar to those of Edwards, and, when asked whether he’d sat down to talk about same-*** marriage with his young daughters, he replied that his wife had.

“The fact is, my 9-year-old and my 6-year-old I think are already aware that there are same-*** couples,” the Illinois senator told the debate. “One of the things I want to communicate to my children is not to be afraid of people who are different. …. One of the things I think the next president has to do is stop fanning people’s fears. If we spend all our time feeding the American people fear and conflict and division, then they become fearful and conflicted and divided.”

Clinton said she respects the viewpoints of Obama and Edwards, but she sidestepped the question of whether she’d be comfortable having a storybook like “King & King” read to her own child at that age.

“With respect to your individual children, that is such a matter of parental discretion,” Clinton said. “Obviously, it is better to try to … help your children understand the many differences that are in the world. … And that goes far beyond ****** orientation. So I think that this issue of gays and lesbians and their rights will remain an important one in our country.”
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who is vying for the Republican nomination for president, weighed in afterward with a statement accusing the Democratic candidates of being “out of touch” with America.

“Not one candidate was uncomfortable with young children learning about same-*** marriage in the second grade,” Romney said in the statement. “This is a subject that should be left to parents, not public school teachers. We need to strengthen our families by passing a federal marriage amendment and also insisting on marriage before having children. Change in Washington requires Democrats with the courage to stand up to their ultra liberal base and do what's right for our children."

Some Lexington, Mass., parents were livid that a Joseph Estabrook Elementary School teacher read “King & King” to their second-grade children in class.

The Dutch tale, which has been translated into English, is about a prince whose mother pressures him to find a princess but who ends up falling in love with and marrying the brother of one of the prospective brides instead.

Last year, a judge dismissed a federal lawsuit brought by two sets of parents of children in the class who objected to the introduction of homo****** themes to their 7-year-olds without alerting them first, on the grounds that it was a violation of the state’s ***-education parental notification clause.

School officials stood by their decision to teach about different kinds of marriage and said that Massachusetts law requires them to do so.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298307,00.html


At least I can respect Edwards for giving an answer, even though I think he's a poor substitute for a parent. Hillary wouldn't even provide an answer (it would knock her off the fence).

California Joe
09-27-2007, 05:13 PM
That's a gay question to ask. F*ck me, everyone thinks their little bullsh*t lives are worthy of being adressed by the potential President. That's where the system broke down. The President is supposed to be worried about bridges collapsing and levees breaking and psycho extremists trying to kill us, not who sticks their **** in who. It's a distraction issue. How about answering, "I don't want my second grader thinking about any kind of ***, let alone having to explain why some dudes like to poke other dudes that look like Ann Coulter."

I've told you before about that right wing type mutant female teacher that told my daughters class in 2nd grade that they should tell their parents to vote for W because Al Gore kills babies by supporting abortion.

seraosha
09-27-2007, 05:19 PM
Why are second graders hearing anything related to ***, much less same *** relationships? Jeebus, kids should hear about *** from their parents, or in High School Health class, which ever comes first.

2Sheds_Jackson
09-27-2007, 05:36 PM
Well see, the gay lobby will tell you that traditional stories, you know with princes rescuing princesses and riding off into the sunset, are exclusionary, discriminatory, are "straight oriented", trample on the rights of gays, and are hurtful to the children of gay parents who are subjected to them. Therefore, the only way to be fair, is to remove all books with such narrow-minded bigoted stories, or have an equal number of stories of two princes who meet via an extra wide stance in the royal stables.

rofl

Ahhh I've cracked myself up.

I dunno. On one hand, it's a pretty insipid question to ask - but on the other hand - it is illustrative of the type of legislation they'd likely author or support. Since Presidents do get into legislating that kind of crap, I think maybe we are entitled to know what they think. Granted, I don't think they should be - but unfortunately they do. I'd rather know my President believed in directing federal funds to protect us from Xenu before he got into office, than after.

shocker1
09-27-2007, 05:51 PM
The end times are upon us.

California Joe
09-27-2007, 06:08 PM
2nd graders should be reading about talking dogs and Pokemon and sh*t.

Herrmannek
09-27-2007, 06:32 PM
Its commie agenda... Parents already lost control of what BS is put to their children's heads, and even if you decide to homeschool your offspring there is 99% of those who are put that poo from the kindergarten and they decide anyway... Just can't wait when this fall into pieces... Great new civilizations grow best on the ruble of the previous ones... I'm joking serious :)

gaijinsamurai
09-27-2007, 06:52 PM
Of course, Hillary sidestepped the question. I wouldn't expect her to do anything different, the politician that she is.

ltrowley
09-28-2007, 12:27 AM
I think it's a non-issue, it's about princes falling in love, not stripping off and getting wrestly & soapy with the horse-whip.

Ordie
09-28-2007, 12:46 AM
Why is this an issue?

Come on folks we got bigger fishes to fry.

i.e. Iraq, al Qaida, the economy, the environment, the deficit, heath care, social security, and more specifically our Consititutional freedoms.

I'm more pissed that they are sitting on fences on these issues than a stupid book.

2Sheds_Jackson
09-28-2007, 11:20 AM
I'm more pissed that they are sitting on fences on these issues than a stupid book.

Can you trust someone who won't answer the question?

Mr. JOSHUA
09-28-2007, 11:37 AM
Why is this an issue?

Come on folks we got bigger fishes to fry.

i.e. Iraq, al Qaida, the economy, the environment, the deficit, heath care, social security, and more specifically our Consititutional freedoms.

I'm more pissed that they are sitting on fences on these issues than a stupid book.

What Ordie, you don't have kids?

You can't tell me something like this wouldn't bother you.

Lets say it wasn't a gay subject, lets say the teacher was reading propaganda claiming Bush was really god and responsible for all things great in the world.

Would that not irk you to have a teacher teaching biased subjects instead of basic math and reading, science and history?

My kid is still having trouble on vocabulary words and spelling much less trying to figure out why a man kisses a man or why Johnny has two moms.

Ordie
09-28-2007, 12:05 PM
Can you trust someone who won't answer the question?

I tried sitting on a fence once.

It was a pain in the ass after a while.

shocker1
09-28-2007, 12:31 PM
Why is this an issue?

Come on folks we got bigger fishes to fry.

i.e. Iraq, al Qaida, the economy, the environment, the deficit, heath care, social security, and more specifically our Consititutional freedoms.

I'm more pissed that they are sitting on fences on these issues than a stupid book.
I would say when Jr. comes home asking why mommy is not a King too, then all that other stuff you are talking about does not mean a damn thing anymore.

11 Bravo
09-28-2007, 12:54 PM
I might be amenable to the telling of a modified form of that queer tale to my son.... that is the two princes get caught and get quartered for their conduct. I'll leave the details to that grimm's tale to whomever want's to tell it.
I seem to recall one of the english kings was a real queer fellow...and when he was overthrown he got a red hot Iron poker in the keester for his 'bent'. I think it was administered in the tower of london too.

Hollis
09-28-2007, 02:28 PM
It seems the term, "age appropriate" is a unknown to those candidates.

California Joe
09-28-2007, 02:54 PM
I might be amenable to the telling of a modified form of that queer tale to my son.... that is the two princes get caught and get quartered for their conduct. I'll leave the details to that grimm's tale to whomever want's to tell it.
I seem to recall one of the english kings was a real queer fellow...and when he was overthrown he got a red hot Iron poker in the keester for his 'bent'. I think it was administered in the tower of london too.

Try to keep your latent S&M homo fantasies on the ismokepoles.com forums OK?