PDA

View Full Version : Big Brother Britain: Government and councils to spy on ALL our phones



maundy
10-01-2007, 05:54 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=484752&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

Backing track: Tracy Chapman - Talkin' bout a revolution


By JASON LEWIS
Officials from the top of Government to lowly council officers will be given unprecedented powers to access details of every phone call in Britain under laws coming into force tomorrow.

The new rules compel phone companies to retain information, however private, about all landline and mobile calls, and make them available to some 795 public bodies and quangos.

The move, enacted by the personal decree of Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, will give police and security services a right they have long demanded: to delve at will into the phone records of British citizens and businesses.

But the same powers will also be handed to the tax authorities, 475 local councils, and a host of other organisations, including the Food Standards Agency, the Department of Health, the Immigration Service, the Gaming Board and the Charity Commission. The initiative, formulated in the wake of the Madrid and London terrorist attacks

of 2004 and 2005, was put forward as a vital tool in the fight against terrorism. However, civil liberties campaigners say the new powers amount to a 'free for all' for the State snooping on its citizens.

And they angrily questioned why the records were being made available to so many organisations. Similar provisions are being brought in across Europe, but under much tighter regulation. In Britain, say critics, private and sensitive information will inevitably fall into the wrong hands.

Records will detail precisely what calls are made, their time and duration, and the name and address of the registered user of the phone.

The files will even reveal where people are when they made mobile phone calls. By knowing which mast transmitted the signal, officials will be able to pinpoint the source of a call to within a few feet. This can even be used to track someone's route if, for example, they make a call from a moving car.

Files will also be kept on the sending and receipt of text messages.

By 2009 the Government plans to extend the rules to cover internet use: the websites we have visited, the people we have emailed and phone calls made over the net.

The new laws will make it a legal requirement for phone companies to keep records for at least a year, and to make them available to the authorities. Until now, companies have been reluctant to allow unfettered access to their files, citing data protection laws, although they have had a voluntary arrangement with law enforcement agencies since 2003.

Many of the organisations granted access to the records already have systems allowing them to search phone-call databases over a computer link without needing staff at the phone company to intervene.

Police requests for phone records will need the approval of a superintendent or inspector, while council officials must get permission from the authority's assistant chief officer. Thousands of staff in other agencies will be legally entitled to retrieve the records once the request is approved by a senior official.

The new measures were implemented after the Home Secretary signed a 'statutory instrument' on July 26. The process allows the Government to alter laws without a full act of Parliament.

The move was nodded through the House of Lords two days earlier without a debate.

It puts into UK law a European Directive aimed at the 'investigation, detection and prosecution of serious crime'. But the British law allows the information to be used much more widely to combat all crimes, however minor.

The huge number of organisations allowed to access this data was attacked by Liberty, the civil liberties campaign group. Other organisations allowed to see the data include the Royal Navy Regulating Branch, the Atomic Energy Authority Constabulary, the Department of Trade and Industry, NHS Trusts, ambulance and fire services, the Department of Transport and the Department for the Environment.

A spokesman for Liberty said: 'Hundreds of bodies have been given the power to look at this highly sensitive information. It is yet another example of how greater and greater access is being given to information on our movements with little debate and little public accountability.

'It is a free for all. There is a lack of oversight of how and why public bodies are using these records. There is no public record of what they are using this information for.'

Tony Bunyan, of civil liberties group Statewatch, said: 'The retention of everyone's communications data is a momentous decision, one that should not be slipped through Parliament without anyone noticing.'

Last year, the voluntary arrangement allowed 439,000 searches of phone records. But the Government brought in legislation because the industry did not routinely keep all the information it wanted.

Different authorities will have different levels of access to the systems. Police and intelligence services will be able to see more detailed information than local authorities. And officials at NHS Trusts and ambulance and fire services can obtain the records only in rare cases when, for example, they are trying to save a patient's life.

The new system will be overseen by the Interception of Communications Commissioner, who also ensures security and intelligence services' phone taps are legal.

The commissioner, Sir Paul Kennedy, reports to the Prime Minister and already carries out random inspections of some agencies legally allowed to see phone records under the existing voluntary scheme. Last year inspectors visited 22 councils already making 'significant' use of their powers' to access phone records. A report said the results were 'variable', but within the law.

Privacy watchdog the Information Commissioner, which has responsibly for protecting personal information and policing the Data Protection Act had virtually no role in the new laws.

A spokeswoman said its only function was to ensure 'data security' at the phone companies, adding: 'We have no oversight role over the release of this information.'

The Home Office said there were safeguards to ensure the new law was being used properly. Every authority had a nominated senior member of staff who was legally responsible for the use the phone data was put to, 'the integrity of the process' and for 'reporting errors'.

A spokesman said: 'The most detailed level of data can be accessed only by law enforcement agencies such as the police. More basic access is available to local authority bodies such as trading standards and environmental health who can only use these powers to prevent and detect crime.'

A spokesman for the Local Government Association, which represents councils across England and Wales, said: 'Councils would only use these powers in circumstances such as benefit fraud, when the taxpayer is being ripped off for many thousands of pounds.'

He added that it was 'very unlikely' the powers would be used against non-payers of council tax or for parking fines 'as the sums involved are not sufficient to justify the use of this sort of information or the costs involved in applying it'.

a_very_ex_STAB
10-01-2007, 06:34 AM
But if you're not doing anything wrong you don't have anything to worry about..................




..................apart from corrupt or incompetent public sector numpties misusing your data of course but we all know that won't happen in the Neu Arbeit's Brave New World.

maundy
10-01-2007, 07:02 AM
Don't you know you better run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run
Oh I said you better run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run

Finally the tables are starting to turn

Tracy Chapman is cool.

Kilgor
10-01-2007, 07:03 AM
So when is the name change to Airstrip one ?

Masai
10-01-2007, 07:12 AM
next thing people will start selling the info to telemarketers...


"Hi Mr Smith, we overheard you discussing insurance with your wife and would like to offer you some of our services..."

maundy
10-01-2007, 07:15 AM
Or maybe;

*KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK*

"MR SMITH!"

"Er, yeah?"

"Come with us, we heard you say on the phone that the new taxes are unjust! 4 months hard labour!"

"****sticks."

a_very_ex_STAB
10-01-2007, 08:41 AM
So when is the name change to Airstrip one ?


That already happened a long time ago.

Molli
10-01-2007, 09:07 AM
Do the majority of the public care?

Your DNA is recorded if you moon a CCTV camera. The only way you can legally heckle someone is to do it within a set number of bars. You can be arrested - and convicted - for wearing 'Bollocks to Blair!' on a T-shirt. The second you leave your house, every move you make can be tracked via CCTV. It will not be long until every car journey is recorded. ... There are calls from government to have every citizen's DNA on record...

Where are the letters to MPs? Where are the protests - sorry, they're illegal without Police approval first, and can't be within 200 metres or so of Westminster!

Ah, it doesn't matter - the new series of Celebrity Big Brother Jungle Kitchen X-Factor has begun! Yay!

maundy
10-01-2007, 09:33 AM
Teach them to care. There are people out there just like you they just don't advertise because they are aware of the consequences. Stay away from anarchist left leaning revolutionaries.

You don't just have to sit at home and cry, no matter how much fun it is.

oldsoak
10-01-2007, 11:30 AM
But if you're not doing anything wrong you don't have anything to worry about..................




..................apart from corrupt or incompetent public sector numpties misusing your data of course but we all know that won't happen in the Neu Arbeit's Brave New World.

- you're in the sh*t then, eh ? :lol:
- 'tis but the tip of the real iceberg, folks.

Bia
10-01-2007, 11:47 AM
I keep it real.
I dont fear my Gov or Terrorist.

Simple math tells me what's realistic.

I worry more about drunk drivers or the person with cellphone plastered to their face while driving a SUV they can barely handle.

a_very_ex_STAB
10-01-2007, 12:36 PM
- you're in the sh*t then, eh ? :lol:
- 'tis but the tip of the real iceberg, folks.

:)
The slack jawed porridge mong and his Neu Arbeit acolytes can kiss my hairy arrse

EsoognomEhT
10-01-2007, 01:02 PM
I keep it real.
I dont fear my Gov or Terrorist.

Simple math tells me what's realistic.

I worry more about drunk drivers or the person with cellphone plastered to their face while driving a SUV they can barely handle.


Surely the most relevant post ever.

oldsoak
10-01-2007, 02:26 PM
- the chaps got a point. Its probably a bit more relevant to day to day living to worry about the teenage tw*t driving like a maniac outside my local rather than blokes in black trying to figure if my conversation about "bazookas" was innuendo or something more sinister :-)

Subsonic
10-01-2007, 02:32 PM
Explosives, bin laden, bush, brown, kill, bomb.

That should trigger a look see.

woot Hello Menwith Hill & GCHQ.

stoddy9311
10-01-2007, 05:50 PM
Explosives, bin laden, bush, brown, kill, bomb.

That should trigger a look see.

woot Hello Menwith Hill & GCHQ.



what size orange boilersuit do you want?:)

SOG
10-01-2007, 08:14 PM
what size orange boilersuit do you want?:)

extra medium with the button down rear hatch. might as well get used to it.

this data is going to way too many organizations from the looks of it. almost seems like a large in depth government framework of private collected data is being farmed out to anyone and everyone. kind of like the fbi national database but digging deeper in unwanted areas.

wanna bet foreign countries have access to this info with it being available in so many ways? organized crime will have a hay-day with it.

the UK seems REALLY on top of anti-terrorist activity these days. i really dont see the need for this measure to be so open.

Lazy Lob
10-02-2007, 01:52 AM
- you're in the sh*t then, eh ? :lol:
- 'tis but the tip of the real iceberg, folks.

Did you see the "Dispatches" on C4, 24th Sept?

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/dispatches/nice+work+if+you+can+get+it/839262

"Nice Work If You Can Get It". All about Westminster corruption and how ministers are feathering their nests. I knew it was bad but all this is getting out of hand.

a_very_ex_STAB
10-02-2007, 02:35 AM
Did you see the "Dispatches" on C4, 24th Sept?

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/dispatches/nice+work+if+you+can+get+it/839262

"Nice Work If You Can Get It". All about Westminster corruption and how ministers are feathering their nests. I knew it was bad but all this is getting out of hand.

The entire political class in the UK needs to be put up against a wall and shot.
Then the useless chavs and spongers.

Lazy Lob
10-02-2007, 02:59 AM
The entire political class in the UK needs to be put up against a wall and shot.
Then the useless chavs and spongers.

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/2649/hugochavez3jh6.jpg


p-)

a_very_ex_STAB
10-02-2007, 03:19 AM
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/2649/hugochavez3jh6.jpg


p-)


LOLroflroflroflroflroflrofl
I may make that my new avatar

theholeinthedonut
10-02-2007, 03:36 AM
The entire political class in the UK needs to be put up against a wall and shot.
Then the useless chavs and spongers.

You are right little Robbespierre arent' you...cheeky little bugger!

a_very_ex_STAB
10-02-2007, 03:38 AM
You are right little Robbespierre arent' you...cheeky little bugger!


Sea green - maybe? Incorruptible - no way :)

theholeinthedonut
10-02-2007, 03:43 AM
Sea green - maybe? Incorruptible - no way :)

Only the really stupid ones are incorruptible! Every clever guy has it's price....might be quite high sometimes though.

maundy
10-02-2007, 03:51 AM
If you can be bought you can be controlled and therefore you musn't be as smart as you think.

maundy
10-02-2007, 05:42 AM
The entire political class in the UK needs to be put up against a wall and shot.
Then the useless chavs and spongers.

So you want to alienate the complete opposite to the ruling class and be fighting a two front battle if it ever comes to it?

a_very_ex_STAB
10-02-2007, 06:00 AM
So you want to alienate the complete opposite to the ruling class and be fighting a two front battle if it ever comes to it?

Perhaps you are taking things slightly too seriously :)

theholeinthedonut
10-02-2007, 06:03 AM
If you can be bought you can be controlled and therefore you musn't be as smart as you think.

I knew I guy who bought a Porsche but couldn't control it!

maundy
10-02-2007, 07:33 AM
Perhaps you are taking things slightly too seriously :)

If that started pulling that **** in my country I'd start taking things super seriously.

loserbydefault
10-02-2007, 01:37 PM
regarding those people who simply don't care...


(...)When we look at where we are today with the computer and how easily and quickly everyone slipped into putting all their information out in the open, to be grabbed by the security forces or whoever else wants it. It's rather outstanding. People fought wars to have privacy. Privacy: Something they never had before the first revolutions in the 1500’s, 1600’s and 1700’s. Privacy was something you fought and died for because it was almost a holy thing – the right to be left alone. People got indignant about it, and yet today you ask the average person about all the info they're putting out there on the computer for everyone to grab – all the authorities to grab and they tell you "I don't care. I have nothing to hide." You see that a statement of a happy fat contented gluttonous slave. That's what that is. That's what you're hearing when they say that. They're happy slaves. However, those same happy slaves will howl when it all goes down, which it will at the right time.(...)

a_very_ex_STAB
10-02-2007, 02:09 PM
regarding those people who simply don't care...

So you're da man with da plan?

Lazy Lob
10-02-2007, 03:21 PM
So you're da man with da plan?

We may make light of the situation but we are digging a buggering big hole for ourselves. ID cards, chips in our chitters, paying for non existent services, council employees with jack boots........where's me pasty n pint o' stout?

theholeinthedonut
10-02-2007, 03:28 PM
Macs and his friends from the "Bollendorf Freiwillge Feuerwehr" have had us bugged for years! Nobody knew! Nobody wanted to know! It's all part of his evil scheme!

Lazy Lob
10-02-2007, 03:35 PM
Macs and his friends from the "Bollendorf Freiwillge Feuerwehr" have had us bugged for years! Nobody knew! Nobody wanted to know! It's all part of his evil scheme!

Especially if one leaves an "i" out. :)

a_very_ex_STAB
10-02-2007, 03:50 PM
We may make light of the situation but we are digging a buggering big hole for ourselves. ID cards, chips in our chitters, paying for non existent services, council employees with jack boots........where's me pasty n pint o' stout?

Cheer up it won't be long before we have to call Gordon Brown when we make up in the morning - to check if we can take a dump. And of course if we do the bottom inspectors will be round to check we're wiping properly.:roll:

Herrmannek
10-02-2007, 04:39 PM
Just use encryption damnit... You will effectively minimize risk of preemptive invigilation

oldsoak
10-02-2007, 05:00 PM
We may make light of the situation but we are digging a buggering big hole for ourselves. ID cards, chips in our chitters, paying for non existent services, council employees with jack boots........where's me pasty n pint o' stout?

- say again after "chitters", the mike doesnt like being soaked in HSB.....

- as a member of local government, I object to the slur. The correct term is Jo boots as this is gender neautral.

EsoognomEhT
10-02-2007, 05:06 PM
I'd like to get involved in local government, how do I go about starting my ascent to the top?

Lazy Lob
10-02-2007, 05:22 PM
- say again after "chitters", the mike doesnt like being soaked in HSB.....

- as a member of local government, I object to the slur. The correct term is Jo boots as this is gender neautral.

crackle.............crackle...........................

a_very_ex_STAB
10-02-2007, 06:24 PM
I'd like to get involved in local government, how do I go about starting my ascent to the top?

Those who can do
Those who can't administrate