Sigarms Now Sig Sauer

[Seraphim]

SIGARMS® CHANGES NAME TO SIG SAUER®, ALIGNING COMPANY WITH GLOBAL BRAND

EXETER, New Hampshire SIGARMS announced today that it has changed its corporate name to SIG SAUER, aligning the company with its globally recognized SIG SAUER brand of premium firearms.

SIG SAUER world renowned firearms are the weapons of choice for many of the premier global military, law enforcement and commercial users. High quality, ultimate reliability and unmatched performance have always been hallmarks of the SIG SAUER brand. In the USA, nearly 1 in 3 law enforcement professionals use SIG SAUER firearms. "We are proud that many elite military and government forces including the U.S. Navy Seals, the Federal Air Marshals, the Department of Homeland Security and the U. S. Coast Guard carry SIG SAUER firearms", said Ron Cohen, President and CEO of SIG SAUER.

The change reflects the vast worldwide growth in demand for SIG SAUER products. In response, the company has more than tripled its work force in the past 30 months, invested 18 million US dollars in state-of-the-art manufacturing facilities and equipment, and significantly expanded its engineering base. The name change, coupled with major new product introductions in pistols and rifles, reflects the continued commitment to the high standards of production, service and innovation the SIG SAUER brand has always represented.


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[Geojap]

Sig makes a helluva gun.

[LaoSexMachine]

I heart Sigs.

[yiorgo]

my sig 220 gives me the warm and fuzzies :)

[punchinout]

And i can't wait to buy another one.

[TacoDelRio]

Guys in gun stores are gonna have some fun with folks who are stubborn about the name on the frame or slide.

"I don't want the SIGARMS P226R, I want the SIG Sauer P226R!!!!! WAAAH!!"

"Uh, sir, it's the same exact thing."

"No it's not! Blah blah blah..."

I don't miss that job.

[Limeyfellow]

Guys in gun stores are gonna have some fun with folks who are stubborn about the name on the frame or slide.

"I don't want the SIGARMS P226R, I want the SIG Sauer P226R!!!!! WAAAH!!"

"Uh, sir, it's the same exact thing."

"No it's not! Blah blah blah..."

I don't miss that job.

Which will either drive down the price of the ones with SIGARMS, or put the price up when they get rarer than the new ones.

[Laconian]

I've carried a SIG for a little over 8 years now. First a 226 in 9mm, then a 229 in .40, now a 226 in .40 plus a 239 DAK in .40. Given my choice (and I'm not), I would carry a different pistol. Don't get me wrong, the SIG is a fine piece of gear; mine have always functioned flawlessly for me. But I've been in the training arena for about 4 years now and I've seen other folks who weren't that fortunate: grip screws repeatedly shooting loose, recoil springs unravelling, multiple mags breaking from repeated dropping on ranges, saw a slide shoot off the end of a gun in a match. I still carry mine everyday and I'm about 99.99% certain that if I need to use it again for more than just training it will do what I ask it to, but I'd rather I carried a different piece.

[TacoDelRio]

Which will either drive down the price of the ones with SIGARMS, or put the price up when they get rarer than the new ones.

You'd probably have to offer some sorta handbag (Tactical Elite Range Bag for Tactical Ammunition Procurement and Distribution Systems) made in China, or something, to sell the newer ones.

[TacoDelRio]

Laconian, what would you rather carry?

[Geojap]

Laconian, what would you rather carry?

That's what I was wondering. Nothing is perfect, by logical default, but what is better than a Sig?

[LaoSexMachine]

That's what I was wondering. Nothing is perfect, by logical default, but what is better than a Sig?

I carry my P2000 more then the Sig. Both are .40SW.

[JJC]

The article says that 1 in 3 law enforcement professionals use a Sig. Is this really so because I never heard of any major law enforcement agency in the U.S. use Sigs in their departments. From FBI to NYPD to SFPD, it's either a Glock or Beretta, no?

[schwarz]

The article says that 1 in 3 law enforcement professionals use a Sig. Is this really so because I never heard of any major law enforcement agency in the U.S. use Sigs in their departments. From FBI to NYPD to SFPD, it's either a Glock or Beretta, no?


Theres a few state's that issue it to their SP.

heres a list for the 226

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_P226

[D-gin]

The article says that 1 in 3 law enforcement professionals use a Sig. Is this really so because I never heard of any major law enforcement agency in the U.S. use Sigs in their departments. From FBI to NYPD to SFPD, it's either a Glock or Beretta, no?
Not sure how some other PD's do it but around here Officers/Deputies get a list of approved firearms they can carry and then they go to an approved local FFL supplier and pick out which one suits them the best for price, feel, etc.


FYI: around here a LEO can pick up a brand new Glock for a bit over $300.

[Geojap]

I carry my P2000 more then the Sig. Both are .40SW.

That is one of the only pistols which I have never owned. If it is truly better than the Sig however, I would like to know and I'll try out the HK. The Sig 239, 229 has been nothing short of phenomenal for me.

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The article says that 1 in 3 law enforcement professionals use a Sig. Is this really so because I never heard of any major law enforcement agency in the U.S. use Sigs in their departments. From FBI to NYPD to SFPD, it's either a Glock or Beretta, no?

No. Sig was the issue weapon of the FBI for years, even with .40 glocks its still in the approved list. NYPD has a dao 226 on the list, SFPD went from .40 beretta 96's to .40 sig p226 and 229's in 2004. Elements of homeland security uses dak 226s 229s and 239s aswell as hk p2000 ans 2000sks (I need one).
Other departments:
About a third of state police agencys
Dallas city police
Orlando pd
Baltimore county MD.
Chicago PD
Tallahassee FL.
I think Miami-dade either use to use dao 226s and have .40 hk usps (I think)
north Miami has them
Boston pd swat has 1911 sig clones
Sacremento PD
SAN Jose PD
I think the columbus ohio sheriff's department has .45 220 st's.
A few other's have them on the approved list.
Also alot of the German state police agencys use or have used them aswell as most law enforcement in France and the Swedish and Japanse national/federal police.

[LaoSexMachine]

That is one of the only pistols which I have never owned. If it is truly better than the Sig however, I would like to know and I'll try out the HK. The Sig 239, 229 has been nothing short of phenomenal for me.

All comes down to personal preference. I shot the 239 too. The 229 is too heavy for a conceal for ME. I find the recoil to be less in the P2000 compared to the 229. Like I said personal preference.

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That is one of the only pistols which I have never owned. If it is truly better than the Sig however, I would like to know and I'll try out the HK. The Sig 239, 229 has been nothing short of phenomenal for me.

Not trying to hijack the thread but While I normally use my .40 glock 22 and own a much loved LEO trade in 9mm 226, I'm going to an hk p2000 in .40 when I get my cash up. I'd check them out.

[JJC]

No. Sig was the issue weapon of the FBI for years, even with .40 glocks its still in the approved list. NYPD has a dao 226 on the list, SFPD went from .40 beretta 96's to .40 sig p226 and 229's in 2004. Elements of homeland security uses dak 226s 229s and 239s aswell as hk p2000 ans 2000sks (I need one).
Other departments:
About a third of state police agencys
Dallas city police
Orlando pd
Baltimore county MD.
Chicago PD
Tallahassee FL.
I think Miami-dade either use to use dao 226s and have .40 hk usps (I think)
north Miami has them
Boston pd swat has 1911 sig clones
Sacremento PD
SAN Jose PD
I think the columbus ohio sheriff's department has .45 220 st's.
A few other's have them on the approved list.
Also alot of the German state police agencys use or have used them aswell as most law enforcement in France and the Swedish and Japanse national/federal police.

Thanks for the info, didn't know Sigs were this popular. I always had Glocks on my mind when anyone talks about LE

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Thanks for the info, didn't know Sigs were this popular. I always had Glocks on my mind when anyone talks about LE

Well, they're not really. Price is the biggest deal breaker, case in point when its a large department, price is the biggest thing= we buy glocks. Also, most police don't want to carry around an all metal sidearm all day (I wouldn't) and ultimately, the plastic guns are often more durable.

[Geojap]

All comes down to personal preference. I shot the 239 too. The 229 is too heavy for a conceal for ME. I find the recoil to be less in the P2000 compared to the 229. Like I said personal preference.

I have the Sig P239 and P229 in 40 S&W. I carry the P239 daily here in Texas, along with a Ruger SP-101 in .357 Magnum as a pocket carry alternative. The Sig 239 is the best carry pistol I have yet found. I'll have to try shooting an HK when I have the opportunity.

[Geojap]

Thanks for the info, didn't know Sigs were this popular. I always had Glocks on my mind when anyone talks about LE

I've owned several Glocks and I much prefer the Sig over the Glock. Glocks are very reliable and durable, but so are Sigs. Sigs have a fantastic trigger compared to the Glock. The machining on a Sig strikes me as being a little more refined than the cuts on a Glock.

[TacoDelRio]

P2000's are really nice CCW guns. I'd probably prefer one to a 239 in .40SW.

[Laconian]

Laconian, what would you rather carry?

To be honest, a Glock 22 with a 27 for a BUG. I like the M&P in 9, .40 or .45, but I haven't seen how well the mags/guns would hold up in training. I know of a couple of PDs that have switched to them and really like them.

I think a gun with a single trigger pull is easier to teach non-shooters to shoot. In my agency we have different trigger pulls to teach (Rem 870, Colt M4, SIG 226 or 229 (DA/SA) and a SIG 239 DAK), it would be nice to be able cut it down. Teaching a handgun with one trigger pull is easier on both student and trainer. The DAK trigger, I find, is ok, but I just can't seem to shoot it as fast as I do my DA/SA SIG or a Glock. Other guys (and better pistoleros than me) have told me the same thing.

I know Glock 22s have had some problems, but that has been fixed from everything I can see. They are for the most part indestructible, easy to work on and simple to keep running.

BTW other agencies using the SIG:
US Secret Service (Uniform and Agents)
ICE
US Postal Inspection Service
US Postal Service OIG
ATF
USAF OSI
NCIS
USA CID

[foxtrot023]

The article says that 1 in 3 law enforcement professionals use a Sig. Is this really so because I never heard of any major law enforcement agency in the U.S. use Sigs in their departments. From FBI to NYPD to SFPD, it's either a Glock or Beretta, no?

Homeland department has both the HK and the Sig. ICE has recently bought a gigantic amount of HKp2000 & p2000sk

[TacoDelRio]

Thanks for the info, Laconian.

I got to shoot the M&P a month or so ago, did not like it. Standard in .40. I guess they had the small backstrap on, since it was way too small. Had more felt recoil than my buddies 226 .40, probably because of the interchangeable backstrap being small. Kinda felt like... cheap crap... eh... almost like someone revived the Sigma.

[LaoSexMachine]

I have the Sig P239 and P229 in 40 S&W. I carry the P239 daily here in Texas, along with a Ruger SP-101 in .357 Magnum as a pocket carry alternative. The Sig 239 is the best carry pistol I have yet found. I'll have to try shooting an HK when I have the opportunity.

I too live in Texas. The Sig 239 I fired was a friends and it was in .40. He shot my P2000 and even admit that it felt better and the the felt recoil was less in the HK. He wants a P2000 but doesn't have the money.

[JJC]

I've owned several Glocks and I much prefer the Sig over the Glock. Glocks are very reliable and durable, but so are Sigs. Sigs have a fantastic trigger compared to the Glock. The machining on a Sig strikes me as being a little more refined than the cuts on a Glock.

I don't know why Glock doesn't improve their trigger because that's the major complaint you hear about Glocks. If they would have a smooth trigger, Glocks would be up top because they are lightweight, plus quality and reliabality is good.

[Seraphim]

I don't know why Glock doesn't improve their trigger because that's the major complaint you hear about Glocks. If they would have a smooth trigger, Glocks would be up top because they are lightweight, plus quality and reliabality is good.

My major complaint of the glock is the grip and ergonomic or lack thereof.