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hist2004
10-02-2007, 09:30 AM
Iraq's Golden Silence

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, October 01, 2007

Media And War: Ever since the Sept. 10 testimony of Gen. David Petraeus, we've heard less and less from the mainstream media about the war in Iraq. The old adage "no news is good news" has never been truer.

That the media are no longer much interested in Iraq is a sure sign things are going well there. Instead, they're talking about the presidential campaign, or Burma, or global warming, or . . . whatever.

Why? Simply put, the news from Iraq has been quite positive, as Petraeus related in his report to Congress. Consider:

• On Monday came news that U.S. military deaths in Iraq fell to 64 in September, the fourth straight drop since peaking at 121 in May and driving the toll to a 14-month low.

• Civilian deaths also have plunged, dropping by more than half from August to 884. Remember just six months ago all the talk of an Iraqi "civil war"? That seems to be fading.

• The just-ended holy month of Ramadan in Iraq was accompanied by a 40% drop in violence, even though al-Qaida had vowed to step up attacks.

• Speaking of al-Qaida, the terrorist group appears to be on the run, and possibly on the verge of collapse — despite making Iraq the center of its war for global hegemony and a new world order based on precepts of fundamentalist Islam.

• Military officials say U.S. troops have killed Abu Usama al-Tunisi, a Tunisian senior leader of al-Qaida in Iraq who was responsible for bringing foreign fighters into the country. Not surprisingly, the pace of foreign fighters entering Iraq has been more than halved from the average of 60 to 80 a month.

• Last month, 1,200 Iraqis waited patiently in line in Iraq's searing heat to sign up to fight al-Qaida. They will join an estimated 30,000 volunteers in the past six months — a clear sign the tide has turned in the battle for average Iraqis' hearts and minds.

• Finally, and lest you think it's all death and destruction, there's this: Five million Iraqi children returned to school last week, largely without incident, following their summer vacations.

None of this, of course, is accidental. The surge of 28,500 new troops announced by President Bush last February, and put in place in mid-June by Gen. Petraeus, seems to have worked extraordinarily well. Al-Qaida, though still a potent foe capable of committing mass atrocities, has been backpedaling furiously.

"They are very broken up, very unable to mass, and conducting very isolated operations" is how Brig. Gen. Joseph Anderson described al-Qaida's situation in comments this week.

Things have gone so well, in fact, that leading Democratic contenders have stopped calling for a "timetable" for withdrawal and can't even promise they'll remove all the troops by 2013.

In short, the U.S. is — yes, we'll use the word —winning the war against al-Qaida. And not just in Iraq. In fact, the only way we won't win is if we do something very stupid — such as letting the overwhelmingly negative media convince us we can't do what we clearly are doing.

Source: (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=276131413423304)

LMAV
10-02-2007, 10:24 AM
I want to finally breathe a sigh of relief, but I just cant bring myself to do it yet. Lets hope this keeps up though, fingers crossed.

noname
10-02-2007, 10:26 AM
I want to finally breathe a sigh of relief, but I just cant bring myself to do it yet. Lets hope this keeps up though, fingers crossed.


X's eleventy billion.

Herrmannek
10-02-2007, 10:26 AM
I wouldn't uncork champaign now... but I'm sure in five years people will be going there for vacations...

grenadier07
10-02-2007, 10:42 AM
Still to early to celebrate but hopefully what has been gained over the last few months will be sustained.

Asheren
10-02-2007, 10:44 AM
Well if you want to win a war aginst a terrorist/insurgent group keep medias attention focused on something else. I would say that media caused more deaths in Iraq than coalition presence there itself.

2Sheds_Jackson
10-02-2007, 12:30 PM
If I were a cynic, I'd guess that the media has taken the pressure off Iraq now that "their team" is in a position to do something about it. It would damage their prospects for the White House if they were revealed to be ineffective or just plain old liars.

vryhpyammoadded
10-02-2007, 01:46 PM
Agreed but then again, I am a cynic. Still, I will continue to rely on their ability to constantly shoot themselves in the foot despite all the impending “we’re about bringing the country together party, unlike those mean old partisan republicans” spin. Note: the latest War Surtax craze…

Herrmannek
10-02-2007, 01:51 PM
If I were a cynic, I'd guess that the media has taken the pressure off Iraq now that "their team" is in a position to do something about it. It would damage their prospects for the White House if they were revealed to be ineffective or just plain old liars.

Agreed, but that doesn't explain good statistics...

2Sheds_Jackson
10-02-2007, 02:24 PM
Agreed but then again, I am a cynic. Still, I will continue to rely on their ability to constantly shoot themselves in the foot despite all the impending “we’re about bringing the country together party, unlike those mean old partisan republicans” spin. Note: the latest War Surtax craze…

No doubt - although I kinda like the idea of being straightforward about funding the war. I'd gladly pay more in taxes if I could be assured of exactly what it was being spent on (i.e. the war, and not midnight basketball).


Agreed, but that doesn't explain good statistics...

- true enough...but then the media was never shy about selling us a "quagmire" when there wasn't one. Now they seem much more willing to allow the war to be what it is. What changed?

MonkeyLibFront
10-02-2007, 03:20 PM
- true enough...but then the media was never shy about selling us a "quagmire" when there wasn't one. Now they seem much more willing to allow the war to be what it is. What changed?

Erm maybe because up until the surge Iraq wasn't going to well? But the true litmus test is when the troops are reduced to pre surge numbers and to see how iraq is then.

2Sheds_Jackson
10-02-2007, 05:33 PM
Erm maybe because up until the surge Iraq wasn't going to well? But the true litmus test is when the troops are reduced to pre surge numbers and to see how iraq is then.

The media has been spinning Iraq as a disaster ever since it was discovered that it would last more than 15 minutes and that Democrats could gain more from a failure than success. Now after the Dems big win, and the ball is in their court, success pays more than failure.

MonkeyLibFront
10-03-2007, 05:02 AM
The media has been spinning Iraq as a disaster ever since it was discovered that it would last more than 15 minutes and that Democrats could gain more from a failure than success. Now after the Dems big win, and the ball is in their court, success pays more than failure.

Right so its the medias fault that Baghdad was chaotic with truck bombs killing 100+ people and fallujah etc.

2Sheds_Jackson
10-03-2007, 01:40 PM
Right so its the medias fault that Baghdad was chaotic with truck bombs killing 100+ people and fallujah etc.

Sequential relationships are difficult to conceptualize. It involves understanding that one thing happened before another thing. Furthermore, in order to bring value to that relationship within the context of the argument, one must understand what those "things" within the relationship were, and how they correspond to the salient points within the argument.

To illustrate my point, I'll use the ultimate arbiter of all things good and correct; Star Trek. And I've said this before, people. Watch your Star Trek, it will teach you all you need to know - now and forever. And not that pussy bull crap they foisted on us after Next Generation. The real deal - where men were men, shirts were ripped, lips bloody, and the ladies slightly out of focus. TOS.

You may recall that Kirk was accused of killing Commander Benjamin Finney - by jettisoning the ion pod before calling a red alert. Kirk maintains that he called the red alert, then jettisoned the pod afterwards. This would have given Finney all the warning he needed to evacuate the pod. He stands accused in a Court Martial.

During the trial, Kirk is shocked to see video footage of himself on stardate 2945.7 launching the pod before calling red alert. He gasps "that's not the way it happened"!

After all is said and done, we learn that Finney is alive, and has used his computer expertise to manipulate the computer footage. He showed something that happed after...to happen before. He created a false reality.

Our media (the manipulated computer footage) claimed Iraq was a quagmire/disaster/Vietnam II long before the bombings got bad in Iraq. It was a quagmire/disaster/Vietnam II before we ever went in, according commander Finney.

In the Star Trek episode, Spock raises his eyebrow when he's able to defeat the ship's computer in a game of chess - which he shouldn't have been able to do, since he programmed it.

Here, I am raising my eyebrow, since the current level of violence is about the same -or perhaps even higher - than it was immediately following the invasion. Yet then, it was a quagmire/disaster/Vietnam II, and now it's not worth mentioning. Why is that? It's because Kirk is no longer on trial, and now Cmdr Finney himself is in the hotseat, and the manipulated computer footage no longer helps his case.

Telmar
10-03-2007, 02:09 PM
Well if you want to win a war aginst a terrorist/insurgent group keep medias attention focused on something else. I would say that media caused more deaths in Iraq than coalition presence there itself.


"No media...no problems"

A quote from an unknown but ruthless dictator somewhere in the world (and it could have been Poland).

vryhpyammoadded
10-03-2007, 02:37 PM
Sequential relationships are difficult to conceptualize.
We're not worthy, Genuflect...We're not worthy Genuflect…

Be careful 2Sheds, showing the children the adult way will force the jealous god Val to upload orders to the kiddies group think chip to smash your head in with rocks and clubs.

You know, in a way, I think this was all part of the big plan, draw Val out and call the lightning so Kirk and friends can starve him enough for a good hosing down with phasers.

2Sheds_Jackson
10-03-2007, 05:18 PM
We're not worthy, Genuflect...We're not worthy Genuflect…

Be careful 2Sheds, showing the children the adult way will force the jealous god Val to upload orders to the kiddies group think chip to smash your head in with rocks and clubs.

You know, in a way, I think this was all part of the big plan, draw Val out and call the lightning so Kirk and friends can starve him enough for a good hosing down with phasers.

rofl Yeah, see I'd had some coffee and was in front of the keyboard for the 15 seconds that my brain is awake per day.

Well jeez it's not like I completely blame the media for Iraq becoming a mess. I'm just saying that they've always played it as if it was a mess...even before the start. And suddenly it isn't any more. Not that I mind them laying off the negative for once...it just kind of reveals that it's their motivations, not the situation on the ground, that determines what coverage we get.

playtym
10-03-2007, 05:27 PM
With 884 civilian and 64 military deaths in September, Iraq is actually a safer place to live than South Africa. :-(