MILSPECS Request

[Voodoo_Br]

Hello Friends of MP.net, im looking desperately for all the milspecs related to combat gear, most specific helmet, bdu´s, gloves, armor. I´ve tried to google it, but I´ve found lots of others, sorted by number not by its name. I´m developing new tactical gear for military-police use for brazilian police and security forces, and I must adopt my gear to these milspecs. Thank you all for any info about them!

PS: the work is in patent process, so I can´t release anything by now, but MP.net will be the first place were its gonna be shown.

[Müller]

He's not talking about the specifics that each company go by... many companies (Such as EAGLE or Paraclete) go way above the "milspec-standard" which is partially why they are more costly than say, Blackhawk...

Sorry, i don't have the specs nor know where i can find em... but my bud used to work for Natick labs, i can ask him for you...

[ShakesFIST]

im looking desperately for all the milspecs related to combat gear, most specific helmet, bdu´s, gloves, armor.


I assume you are talking US military specifications? If so you might need to narrow your search down. I mean how many kinds of armor are in the US military's inventory? They all probably have different specs because they are made for different uses (For example: Air crew don't wear the same armor as an MP)

[California Joe]

Why reinvent the wheel? Seriously. Just curious, why would you develop new tactical gear when so much of it already exists and it's been combat tested?

[scrybe]

Find me a Tac-vest in Portuguese! I dare you!

[Voodoo_Br]

I´m not re-inventing the wheel, but Brazil´s armed forces are in urgent need of new gear for our soldiers. I want this project to have all good advantage points from other gear, and a distinct face for the soldier. Not pasgt, flack vest and black hawk gear. They are indeed good gear but every body wears them ( and they´re just too expensive here). Just like FIST, FELIN, And Crye´s projects, they have a different appeal from other gear, and small details make a huge difference. I ´ve done many tactical trainings and courses, trained simulated combat in urban ops ( its going to be the focus of the project )so I could develop the gear. The US milspecs are used around the world for many countries including here in Brasil. I appreciate all the efforts of you guys to help me with thse milspecs, and I wish to thank you all!

[Voodoo_Br]

Hey Muller thank you very much, if you could ask for those... Its Basically The BDU´s and\or flight suits, the body armor ( modular,with armor plate pocket ), Helmet ( modular ), Gloves, and Knee\Elbow protection. These gear are specific for Urban\Jungle combat infantry use, and crew use (the uniform adopts for each task).

[Müller]

no problem, he should know the standards, but if he don't well then I can't help unfortuately

[ShakesFIST]

Not pasgt, flack vest and black hawk gear. They are indeed good gear but every body wears them ( and they´re just too expensive here).

You ever think that the fact that everyone is using the mentioned gear is a good reason to possibly use it. Who cares about fashion/uniqueness when your supposed to be fighting?

If PASGT and Blackhawk are too expensive then just how cheaply are you planning on making the gear? It kinda sounds impossible to make unique gear thats cheaper than 1980's US army surplus.

[dacanadianbomb]

lol it isnt.
You can buy an entire LC2 setup for less than one BHI triple M4 mag pouch cost, if you look well enough.

[Voodoo_Br]

You ever think that the fact that everyone is using the mentioned gear is a good reason to possibly use it. Who cares about fashion/uniqueness when your supposed to be fighting?

If PASGT and Blackhawk are too expensive then just how cheaply are you planning on making the gear? It kinda sounds impossible to make unique gear thats cheaper than 1980's US army surplus.

Well actually, we already bought BHI and Eagle Gear for twice the price you pay in US. Crye Industries used the same appeal that I´m using. I haven´t created fashion or fancy uniforms, but a new design with some major changes so our gear could be better, more durable, with a drop of technology on it. IF all the technology of the major gear factories are so well, why the US have created the future soldier? Brazil dont got 10mi to research for new technology, so my company is doing all the research to create a better gear. Unfortunately, Brazil´s government dont have enough money, so the army... One of the projects goal is to reach our budget reality, so all of our trrops could be using these gear. Only SF operators and Elite troops have good gear.

[Sabre]

^It doesn't sound like he is buying the kit, he wants to design it and have it made. He's probably planning to have it produced in Brazil which would be far cheaper than having brand name kit imported. He just needs the details of equipment, such as the standard of the webbing straps, cordura, thread, tape etc and the methods of construction to ensure they are of suitable quality.

Am I right?

[California Joe]

Do what everyone else does, buy 1 of everything that you like, deconstruct them, make the changes you want and come up with a pattern...Somehow I don't think companies are putting that info out there for all of their competitors.

[Catch22]

Just as the CJ wrote: the really innovative companies are few - just look at the omnipresent Blackhawk Ind - when it comes to tactical gear half of their designs are just minimally modified (usually in a bad way) Eagle Industries designs, other part are London Bridge Trading ripoffs, lately some 5.11 clothing copies and just a small part are more-or-less their own (CQC/Serpa line).

There are few "source" or generic designs, made with good understanding of function of given equipment, most of the other products are just endless variations of given theme.

Currently if you design any gear you have to either develop or smartly copy several basic variants of equipment, preferably all in modular versions:

- Classic Light tactical vest (currently rather for police use)
- Heavier Load Bearing Vest (as a basic military platform)
- Basic Modular Chestrig
- Basic Modular Beltkit
- Basic Plate carrier
- Complete Integrated (Sof Armor+Hard Plates+modular webbing) Vest
- Quick Releasable Integrated Modular Vest

And of course a complete range of modular pouches, pockets, backpacks etc...

Honestly - if you ask about "MILSPEC" what do you actually expect to learn? Types of fabrics, fabric finishes, threads, sewing patterns, buckles, webbing, stitching, reinforcements? List of manufacturers? Telephone numbers? That would take more than a question on an open forum to learn, and in my oppinion it's a bit naive to wait for a detailed answers right at the MP.net. There are some more specialistic fora to gather such knowledge on modern equipment and its construction.

[Voodoo_Br]

Honestly - if you ask about "MILSPEC" what do you actually expect to learn? Types of fabrics, fabric finishes, threads, sewing patterns, buckles, webbing, stitching, reinforcements? List of manufacturers? Telephone numbers? That would take more than a question on an open forum to learn, and in my oppinion it's a bit naive to wait for a detailed answers right at the MP.net. There are some more specialistic fora to gather such knowledge on modern equipment and its construction.

Well, I have a complete set of manufacturers hereand suppliers for special fabrics already. The milspecs I ve wanted are military standard requirements for each piece of the set you mentioned. Ex: Sizes, Maximum weight, fabric standards, colors, restrictions, etc. There´s a vest ready to go already, with level 4 armored plate pocket, modular webbing (MOLLE), side plate pocket and natural vetilation, and a 2 piece bdu. But I need to adopt so they met with these MILSPECS.

[Catch22]

But those Specifications should be given by the party that places the order (Army, Police, other agencies). They should know what materials and colours they want, if they want IRR finish on the fabrics and webbing etc.

See - www.milspecmonkey.com for samples of most US MilSpec materials, compare and adapt them to your local needs. When it comes to well-known manufacturers and suppliers you just need to ask them for the proper stuff and they'll come out with the things you might need - you get your zippers and velcro from YKK - or velcro from Velcro company itself, Cordura from suppliers licensed by Invista, press-studs from YKK, Prym, the Dot or wherever... Side release buckles from Duraflex or ITW Nexus... the list goes on and on...