Night ops camo desert Jacket

[blacksheep]

Hello,

does anyone know where i can buy the night ops desert camo jacket.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3433/jacketcx4.jpg

Thanks for your work


Blacksheep

[zonk]

this is something i have always wondered about also, this seems like a pretty simple camo design. just wondering how effective it was/is

[Jarhead]

Have a look on ebay

[blacksheep]

Thanks i have found one on ebay.woot

[Rosa Jonas]

this is something i have always wondered about also, this seems like a pretty simple camo design. just wondering how effective it was/is

Principle is fairly easy, the grid is a sharp pattern to look at. You're eye is less likely to get a hold of something if it's easy to focus on, but it wont work over distances very well.

[Limeyfellow]

Thats the old style, that works well against 1st Generation Night Vision Googles. Technology has made it out of date, and it was sold off from the early 90s onwards.

Its been pretty much all surplused off nowadays, though its less common to find than say a couple of years ago where it was everywhere.

[T for Tetrapod]

http://www.omahas.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=823

This site is well stocked if you ever are looking for anything else.

[Split-50]

Limey is correct... the early Soviet NVDs (gen I/II) image/light intensifiers used a mesh or grid style photoctahode. After a few years they caught up to western microchannel plates and cathodes that used coatings instead of mesh. This made the night camo parka and pants stand out like a fart in church.
I bought a parka, liner and pants for $20US in Kentucky back in 1993. That surplus dealer had a tractor trailer full of them. They are a little more expensive now i think.

[Waterman]

I've had good use out of my old (GW1) night camo over covers...they are great to hunt in......

[DanBarlow]

are there trousers made for this as well?

[T for Tetrapod]

There are trousers but they are kind of hard to find. They used to have a bunch of them at sportsmanguide, but I haven't seen any there for a while.

[Son of Damian]

I bought a parka, liner and pants for $20US in Kentucky back in 1993. That surplus dealer had a tractor trailer full of them. They are a little more expensive now i think.

I got a set about a year ago for $20, either the jacket or pants had a large rip though.

[15thMEU]

I've been working on a Wikipedia article about the pattern; not a whole lot of info out there though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Night_Camouflage

A boonie was also made in the pattern; they're very hard to come by. I saw a BDU-style jacket and pants set a little while back (made by Cal-Pacific Mfg.), but those may well be a commercial item as the NSN listed on both the jacket and the pants were for the six color desert pants.

[Split-50]

You know what... now that I think about it, wasn't there a reverse-able 3 color desert one side and grid night desert parka out there for a while???

[maple.leaf]

I had a set of those issued to me when I did peackeeping duty in the Sinai in 1986.

Sometime ago I read a story that some US soldiers actually put this theory of their effectiveness to the test during the 1992 Gulf War. They got hold of some Iraqi NVDs (Soviet Aid) and discovered that this grid-matching stuff was a load of crap. They said that guys wearing these night parkas were actually MORE visible through the NVDs than if they were wearing day desert uniforms.

I wish I could remember where I saw that...

[Müller]

I might have like 20 pairs of night OPs pants for sale in just a short time...

[q3131]

I have set of the parka and overpants. Supposedly, the regular day desert was so light-colored it could be spotted at night too easy. The night desert camo was supposed to solve that as well as conceal the wearer from the USSR NVGs around at the time.
AdventureTech by Propper makes the reversible day/night desert goretex parka and pants.
I have looked at the night desert camo through my Gen III PVS-14 and compared it to other patterns. It doesn't magically disappear, but it sort of fades into the background color of the image. It doesn't stand out as much as woodland or 3-color desert, but its not as good with NVGs as MARPAT.

[James]

are there trousers made for this as well?

http://www.galaxyarmynavy.com/item-glx-ncbp.asp

[Son of Damian]

I had a set of those issued to me when I did peackeeping duty in the Sinai in 1986.

Sometime ago I read a story that some US soldiers actually put this theory of their effectiveness to the test during the 1992 Gulf War. They got hold of some Iraqi NVDs (Soviet Aid) and discovered that this grid-matching stuff was a load of crap. They said that guys wearing these night parkas were actually MORE visible through the NVDs than if they were wearing day desert uniforms.

I wish I could remember where I saw that...



First seen during the First Gulf War, U.S. Night Camouflage, Desert, is an unusual camouflage, to say the least. This two-colour pattern, which features a dark green grid and small, irregular clumps of dots on a light green background, and was apparently designed to produce an interference pattern that would interrupt the pixelised images produced by first-generation night vision devices.

However, there is every reason to believe that U.S. Night Camouflage, Desert, was a spectacular failure. A United States Marine Corps (abbrev. U.S.M.C.) scout/sniper section, stationed in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia at the commencement of Operation Desert Shield, allegedly conducted some informal experiments, to determine whether or not the grid pattern worked as claimed. The tests were conducted using parka shells and overpants patterned in U.S. Night Camouflage, Desert, U.S. six-color desert camouflage pattern uniforms and winter white oversuits. The experiment was conducted on two separate nights — one completely overcast and the other clear and moonlit. Observers used the naked eye, AN/PVS-4 individual weapons night-sights, AN/PVS-5 night vision goggles, and an infrared TOW missile sight.

The experiment found that U.S. Night Camouflage, Desert, actually increased the chance of a soldier being observed, when viewed through any night vision system. The only circumstances under which it did not assist the observers was on the overcast night, when observed with the naked eye.

Surprisingly, the 'winter overwhites' performed extremely well on both nights, when observed with the AN/PVS-4 and AN/PVS-5 night vision systems. However, the only way to avoid detection, when observed through the infrared TOW missile sight was to wrap one's self in a quality 'space blanket'.


Kamouflage.net (http://www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/en_00160.php)

[maple.leaf]

Ah yes, that's where I read it. Thanks. :-)

He's got one fact wrong though - the camo was first seen during Exercise Bright Star '82 in Egypt in, um, 1982.

[maple.leaf]

http://www.galaxyarmynavy.com/item-glx-ncbp.asp

"Made For Night Time Use By US Military For Improved Mobility Without Radar Detection."

roflrofl

[James]

"Made For Night Time Use By US Military For Improved Mobility Without Radar Detection."

roflrofl

;) hehe 12345

[California Joe]

You know, I actually have one of those jackets, it's comfortable and as of yet deer don't have night vision goggles. :)

[Pyrrhic]

They are pretty comfortable.

[JKinnaird]

I bought one for myself with the liner from www.sportsmansguide.com for about $15.00 in late winter/early spring of 2005, which was a real deal. They might have stopped selling them there, but you should be able to find one. I dont real know the deal with Gen1/2 NVGs, and how this camo pattern varies to camoflague the wearer form each type. but I do know that the last time they were really used were in the gulf war. I dont recall seeing many after that.

by the way, the pic of the operatore with it is interesting. I would just like to point out the SDS RACK, and how he used a pair of Vietnam era M1956 suspenders as padding.

[Split-50]

"Made For Night Time Use By US Military For Improved Mobility Without Radar Detection."

roflrofl

They also protect your genitals from cosmic radiation and from microwave rays when your cooking hot pockets!!!:oops:

[matsalleh18]

Hey,i went to a Big mall today,just happens i saw army surplus shop and it had this Camo jacket,but so expensive,it was RM290.

[2/1kiwi]

Hey,i went to a Big mall today,just happens i saw army surplus shop and it had this Camo jacket,but so expensive,it was RM290.

RM 290??? what money is that?

[matsalleh18]

Malaysian ringgit,but the jacket was in good condition

[Dziwan]

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3433/jacketcx4.jpg






What is the name of this "vest" (ther are m56 suspenders + sth)? What is the name of this something?

[JKinnaird]

What is the name of this "vest" (ther are m56 suspenders + sth)? What is the name of this something?
that is a SDS RACK chest rig, and that operator modified the RACK with vietnam era M1956 suspenders for added padding. the RACK doesnt have padding on the shoulder straps.
http://secure.specialtydefense.com/cgi-bin/sds/4245.html

and has appears to have an assortment of SDS pouches as well.

[STEPAN1983]

World is small :D
I've seen this jacket 6 months ago in one of the Moscow's secondhand shops.

[Dziwan]

thanks, one more question: the biggest pouch is canteen/utility pocket, isn't it?

I think about make a sth like this but in alice standart

[JKinnaird]

thanks, one more question: the biggest pouch is canteen/utility pocket, isn't it?

I think about make a sth like this but in alice standart



typically, General purpose/utility pouches are the larger pouches around. However, Dump pouches are also fairly large.