Anyone've seen that video?

[Herrmannek]

I've seen in tv clip from Iraq , don't rember exact place, but there was guy shoting pk from hip in soime narow street from behind corner when something like 203 hit next to him, guy made fe steps and felt on the ground.. Anyone has it..it wasn't looking nasty or graphic so just want to know if I've seen that well or just made this upd....

[millhouse]

schiggity schiggity schwang.

[grabie_bis]

ive seen it also, looked like a narrow and dark street, the raghead was shooting a pkm, then a little explosion.. not sure it was a 40mm and not sure he felt after that.

[Herrmannek]

ive seen it also, looked like a narrow and dark street, the raghead was shooting a pkm, then a little explosion.. not sure it was a 40mm and not sure he felt after that.

Thats one...

[American Patriot]

I didn't see an explosion, all I saw was dust kicked up from the ground

[big80a2]

I have seen it on turkish TV the guy could walk afterwarts.

Don't know what the impact was... looked more like he was shocked from the responce

[Upfrontreporting]

This should be the video:

mms://a2.v9186a.c9186.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/2/9186/v0001/*******.download.akamai.com/9186/t_assets/20040513/c94675d88b43ba543c1885f965acf96bcf70afbb.asf


He was hurt!

[Herrmannek]

Yes it is, any queses what that could be?

[Upfrontreporting]

50 cal. ??

[SiFiOn]

I think that this raghead is just firing so many bullets in the wall in front of him that this wall 'explodes'. When you watch it in slow-motion you will see that a few of his shots will end up in the wall just in front of him. Just to good to be true.
Also look at this silly guy who's PK is jamming, he jumps back behind the wall but still tries to fire it. I had loved to see his PK go of at that moment...

[SiFiOn]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this guy is hit by a ricochet or some pieces of the concrete he's firing in. Notice the dip of his gun prior to the 'dust-explosion'. What a great joke!

[chopsticks]

If a 203 shell exploded at that place, wouldn't there be more casaulties? I've always had the impression that 203's where a wee bit more deadlier than that. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

[Herrmannek]

If a 203 shell exploded at that place, wouldn't there be more casaulties? I've always had the impression that 203's where a wee bit more deadlier than that. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Yes and no.... it depends but as in previous post this is rather blooper than income from coalition force...

[SiFiOn]

When a 203 explodes on the spot in the video, the guy would be loaded with shrapnel. This is certainly not the case here.

[Roger Rabbit]

Just a guess, maybe a heavy calibre bullet striking the ground with ricochets causing the man to be injured???

[Uncle Sam]

Ya know, that is a very good video on how these "insurgents" fight. Some are good and some are really bad. They don't aim, they just jump from around the corner and spray...And people wonder why "holy" sites are getting hit. You can watch a video from the U.S forces and you can clearly see them taking aim and firing. And of course we get the blame when something "holy" is damaged...

[Herrmannek]

http://pro.corbis.com/images/[img]DWF15-714770.jpg?size=67&uid={c26271c6-3d03-4316-a3c9-851a115c61fb}


VIDEO GRAB COMBINATION IMAGE SHOWS PROJECTILE STRIKING GROUND NEAR MASKED MILITIAMAN IN KERBALA
Original caption: A video grab combination image shows a projectile striking the ground near a masked militiaman firing down the street during renewed fighting in a market in Kerbala where U.S. troops are facing an uprising by a Shi'ite Muslim militia loyal to radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, May 13, 2004. In Kerbala, gunfire echoed from narrow streets just a few hundred metres (yards) from the revered Imam Hussein mosque in early afternoon. Smoke rose nearby, witnesses said.

[Upfrontreporting]

In-comming rounds, look at the direction of the secondary spray from the impact.

[Colt45]

He definately didnt hit anything on the wall infront of him, since his gun was up and the debris was about 45 degrees below his barrel. I would say that it could have possibly been a dud 40mm round or a very high caliber bullet from possibly a light armor vehicle of some sorts. And it definately wasnt a .50 cal round either...

[Uncle Sam]

Too bad it didn't get him, dammit!

[Herrmannek]

Yup on the pic barrel is not aiming hit point

[SiFiOn]

Yup on the pic barrel is not aiming hit point

Maybe that's just because the two frames are to far apart from each other, whatch the movie again, notice the insurgent jumping around, watch the barrel go up-and-down... Obvious to me.
Or am I just a wise-guy here ;)

[Uncle Sam]

Yup on the pic barrel is not aiming hit point

Maybe that's just because the two frames are to far apart from each other, whatch the movie again, notice the insurgent jumping around, watch the barrel go up-and-down... Obvious to me.
Or am I just a wise-guy here ;)

I'm pretty sure that it's "in-coming" fire...

[sandboy6184]

how can I save this?

[Herrmannek]

how can I save this?
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14844

[reverence]

Could very well be .50cal. The impact looks very much like a .50 High Explosive AP Incendiary round which is in use by a lot of units there in both HMG's and AMR's.

[Mudcat]

How bout a 25mm from a Bradley?

[Vance]

How bout a 25mm from a Bradley?
I'm leaning with the .50 Cal...

[reverence]

The .50 HEAPI commonly called Ralphos(not sure if the spelling is correct) has a small amount of secondary frag only likely to cause minor wounds consistent with the clip. The 25mm on the other hand would have dismembered anyone within 5 metres of the blast.

[-=TFN=-Karab]

I slowed it down and watched it many times. Something big hits the large stone attached to the corner. It suddenly splits apart and you can see a huge chunk of it just fly a foot off the ground.

Maybe .50 cal? But why just fire one round? Maybe warn him, "Stop shooting, idiot!"

[reverence]

It may have been fired by an Anti Material Rifle(AMR) such as a Barret which are either bolt action or semi auto or it may have been a .50 QCB HMG which can be set to fire single shot. If it was the latter it could have been to conserve ammo, reduce collateral damage or if the guy who got fragged is truly blessed by Allah the firer may have got one round off on auto and had a stoppage.

[-=TFN=-Karab]

Well, we probably can't assess what really happened here. But we can continue to make assumptions ;)

I don't know really why a sniper with a Barett might shoot the stone unless if he was intending to scare or injure the man.

[Clay]

good game not aiming, stupid iraqis

[reverence]

If it was a sniper he may have simply missed(especially if he was recieving incoming at the same time) But as Karab said we'll never know for sure.

[Roger Rabbit]

It could have been a stray round- unlikely though
Snap shooting by a passing US vehicles- possibly

[ANGRY KIWI]

thats funny

keeps shooting as he steps back into cover

:cantbeli:

[Marmot1]

40mm form 203... you remember that OMON video where GP-25 hit ground??? this one look similar and look at shrapnels on herrmanek pic. Even half jacket ammo do not fragment like this... plus if it was ricochet (stone floor) then there would be no explosion. And BTW 203 hit do not look as much spectacular as you may think. Also blast radius is not so great..

High-explosive (HE) round. This round has an olive drab aluminum skirt with a steel projectile attached, gold markings, and a yellow ogive. It arms between 14 and 27 meters, and it produces a ground burst that causes casualties within a 5-meter radius

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/23-31/f2331_4.htm

[AVZ]

it's definetly coming from the left and not caused by himself and his stupidness. Why would it spray towards him(to the right) when he is shooting left :cantbeli: p-)

wouldn't cause a 7,62 bullet a stone breaking off??

[scrybe]

Looks a lot like the grenade launched from a sniper's SVD in the video from Chechnya. Small blast, some white smoke.

[catdat]

In the very first frames you can see the cameraman zoom on a M1 Abrams that's looking right at him. Given that passageway the guy is in seems to provide pretty good concealment my guess would be the gunner on a M1 saw him through thermals and gave him a burst of coax.
AK vs. M1 is not that smart to begin with so I guess anythings possible.

[ZeroPositive]

good video nice seeing some action :D

[grumpy]

I have tried my darndest, but cannot figure out how to find those mms:// links. Hunted all over ******* for those.

Can anyone lend a hand as to where to find more?

[Javehn]

Yea , nice reaction :roll:
Can someone explain why the hell US troops act on this way ? This is shurely not M203 grenade , most probably high callibre like 0.5 , or even Bradley 25 mm ;) .
So, where is fire and effort consentration ? What's up with that lame reaction ? One bullet , and see you , bye bye ? No advance there , no cover shooting , no concentration effort , no area sealing (the same people on different places in the video) . Where is desicive action on the movie ? I am not shure what kinda tactic some learned from IDF , but i shure as hell don't see it on the movie .

[muede]

Nice vid, and of the insurgents... it seems that only their marksman seems to know (about) what the hell he is doing, the rest are just hanging around and shooting "a bit". No wonder they get their asses kicked. :D

And of the projectile that hits the ground... the ground is solid, so if it would have been a HE round of any kind they would have been much worse "fooked" and cause theres no flash from explosion either my vote goes for .50 cal or 25mm Bradley chaingun solid round.

[Javehn]

Yea , they really got their ass kicked there :roll: . Yea , this 25 mm round really did the job there , good work !!! Excellent job , strange that they still have balls to go on US army .

[muede]

Seemed to like a stand off fire fight between out posts, rather than any defensive or offensive operation from either side. :)

Maybe the Americans were yelling dirty things at the insurgents to make the piss off and burn some of their ammo, to make future take over easier... i mean if and when they have spended all their rounds in this fassion with what are they going to fight back when Americans make their real move... ;)

With sticks and stones i guess... p-)

[Javehn]

Good explanation . So basicly , they are making those pesky insurgents to use their ammo , while saving their own . Yes , excellent tactics . Who cares if perhaps Abdullah that is peeping from around the corner has some RPG-7 . Yea, we will fire perhaps 2 rounds this time , and maybe even closer to him !!
That will defenetly show them !! Ass kicking never stops !

[muede]

Ass kicking never stops !
Hooah! :D

[wulfstan]

Why do these guys persist on firing from the hip? Any numbskull can work out that firing a group of shots from the shoulder is much more effective. You don't need military training for that.

[muede]

wulfstan, lets say that the coalition troops that they are firing at are out of effective RPG range, which would be around 400 ~ 600m, and the man whos firing from hip is using AKM or something like that (after the first PK/PKM gunner is hit), with weapon like that you dont really have any change anyway hittting man that father than 300m away, so why bother? :)

OR: Maybe its just a Arab thing? ;)

[wulfstan]

i go with the second suggestion. :lol:

Despite being completely non-military, i still don't think i would fire from the hip 'Rambo style', just a waste of ammo.