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dave81
10-08-2007, 10:30 PM
http://www.*******.com/article/newsOne/idUSBLA82748320071008?rpc=92

...And now for a preview of tomorrow's headline: "University Attendance Suffers Mysterious Drop in Numbers".
Beowulf
10-08-2007, 11:02 PM
http://www.*******.com/article/newsOne/idUSBLA82748320071008?rpc=92

...And now for a preview of tomorrow's headline: "University Attendance Suffers Mysterious Drop in Numbers".

mmmm, they need to be liberated. Let's bring back the AIOC while we're at it.
Ordie
10-09-2007, 02:24 AM
mmmm, they need to be liberated.

No

Let them do it on their terms.

One of the biggest mistakes that our country had done was to overthrow Mohammad Mossadegh (a popular Nationalist Prime Minister) in 1953 and allow the Shah to rule directly, which eventually led to his overthow by Kohmeni.

There is no guarantee what will replace the Islamic Republic will be much more worst.
Telmar
10-09-2007, 02:33 AM
Iran was on the brink of democracy ten years ago.

I wish and hope the West will pull the strings a little. This should be priority compared to an aerial bombing.
GIJOEJK
10-09-2007, 03:10 AM
Just because a government is democratically elected doesn't always make it a friend to the United States. And if Iran tomorrow became "free", would we let them develop nuclear weapons then? IMHO, a weak and fractured Iran is what the west wants, not democratic and free.
Ordie
10-09-2007, 04:41 AM
If anything the Iranian students could take a page from Yugoslavian "Optor" (anti- Milosovic Student Organization) credited in uniting political parties against Milosovic.

Optor was funded by the US-AID via the National Endowment for Democracy.

There are similarities between the Milosovic era and Iran. Both had representative democratic governments.

In this case the Iranian students need to pressure opposition parties in unification.
I can't think of a name
10-09-2007, 04:58 AM
Why is it that students have to be the ones to create change in these places?
Will938
10-09-2007, 05:22 AM
wait another few decades until these students are in power and the following generations cherish their views aswell, then the country will change.
Ordie
10-09-2007, 05:30 AM
Why is it that students have to be the ones to create change in these places?

Because their future is at stake and they have little to lose.

1919 Beijing May 4th Movement led to the birth of Chinese Nationalism
1956 Hungary anti-Soviet
1960's United States (Civil rights, Free speech, Anti-war & lots of Free Love)
1968 Paris education reform
1979 Iran anti- Shah
1980's Germany Anti-nuke weapons movement
1988 Beijing Democratic movement

There are many others.
shire19
10-09-2007, 05:34 AM
And in Iran's case, half of the population is said to be under 25
Con-man
10-09-2007, 06:49 AM
Actually I think the west wants a weak Iranian democracy which is easier to hold accountable for Iran's involvement in Iraq at the moment. Of course, if the population were to do anything more than just protest I'd fear for the safety of the populace because of what the revolutionary guard would do to them.
Beowulf
10-09-2007, 10:17 AM
No

Let them do it on their terms.

One of the biggest mistakes that our country had done was to overthrow Mohammad Mossadegh (a popular Nationalist Prime Minister) in 1953 and allow the Shah to rule directly, which eventually led to his overthow by Kohmeni.

There is no guarantee what will replace the Islamic Republic will be much more worst.

Yeah...I was joking. Thus the AIOC comment.
Nansouty
10-09-2007, 12:41 PM
If I were Amadinejad, I'd avoid university audiences like the plague. For some mysterious reason, his speeches never seem to meet any sympathy with them... rofl
dave81
10-09-2007, 01:41 PM
Because their future is at stake and they have little to lose.

1988 Beijing Democratic movement
I don't think that's a good example...


...of making a difference.
Laworkerbee
10-09-2007, 06:17 PM
Because their future is at stake and they have little to lose.

1919 Beijing May 4th Movement led to the birth of Chinese Nationalism
1956 Hungary anti-Soviet
1960's United States (Civil rights, Free speech, Anti-war & lots of Free Love)
1968 Paris education reform
1979 Iran anti- Shah
1980's Germany Anti-nuke weapons movement
1988 Beijing Democratic movement

There are many others.

In a lot of those examples there were youth bulges, such as in Iran today.
Ordie
10-09-2007, 06:27 PM
I don't think that's a good example...


...of making a difference.

But it did....

Not political but in the socio-economic arena.

Soon after Tienamen Square the Chinese economy and living standards started to boom. Moreover, open critique of local party bosses were no longer considered taboo.

Today the majority of Chinese now work in the private sector, travel abroad and are much more aware than before.
Ordie
10-09-2007, 06:57 PM
In a lot of those examples there were youth bulges, such as in Iran today.

Perhaps, but never the less they were watershed events that forever changed thier society's policies to this day.

For example, the May 4th Movement was in reaction to the Versaille Treaty after WW1 which "gave" Shangdong Provence to Japan.

This led to "nationalist ferver" student protests in Beijing in which a young librarian working at Beijing University named Mao Zedong was a witness to the events.

Jomo Kenyatta, Ho Chi Minh, Zhou Enlai, and Deng Xiao Peng were witnesses of the Western Front including many who later joined Ghandi.