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helomech
10-11-2007, 06:32 PM
Published on Thursday, October 11, 2007.

By Kurt Nimmo (http://www.truthnews.us/?p=245)

http://truthnews.us/images/ads.jpgLast September, Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne (http://www.mondovista.com/microwave.html) indicated the military would use “nonlethal weapons” against “fellow citizens” before they use them in “a wartime situation.” In other words, the American people are considered little more than guinea pigs, especially dissenting Americans in need of “crowd control.”
Before zapping antiwar demonstrators with an ADS beam—that’s short for “Active Denial System”—the military or police may request they remove glasses, contact lenses, and take coins and keys out of their pockets. “Precautions used to test U.S. military’s microwave weapon ADS for crowd control have raised questions about its safety, says a report,” explains United Press International (http://www.physorg.com/news5382.html). “These precautions raise concerns about the ADS in real crowd-control situations, the New Scientist reported… The ADS fires a 95-gigahertz microwave beam, which is supposed to heat skin and to cause pain but no physical damage, the report said. Until now little information about its effects had been released.”
In fact, it took a Freedom of Information Act request filed by a group that campaigns against the use of biological and non-lethal weapons to discover how dangerous the ADS weapon is. It was learned that military “experimenters” conducting tests at the Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque “banned glasses and contact lenses to prevent eye damage to the subjects and in the second and third tests removed any metallic objects such as coins and keys to stop hot spots being created on the skin.”
“How do you ensure that the dose doesn’t cross the threshold for permanent damage?” asked Neil Davison, co-ordinator of the non-lethal weapons research project at the University of Bradford in the UK. “What happens if someone in a crowd is unable, for whatever reason, to move away from the beam? Does the weapon cut out to prevent overexposure?” Or will they get cooked like a Thanksgiving turkey? Considering the track record of the military—tasked, after all, with killing people and wrecking things—we can assume the latter.
During the experiments at Kirtland, reports the New Scientist (http://technology.newscientist.com/channel/tech/weapons/mg18725095.600), “people playing rioters put up their hands when hit and were given a 15-second cooling-down period before being targeted again. One person suffered a burn in a previous test when the beam was accidentally used on the wrong power setting.”
Oops. Don’t you hate it when that happens? Mistake or no, imagine the results if this “nonlethal” weapon is distributed to police departments, staffed with garden variety sadists of the sort now legendary for tasering students for not showing ID or asking the wrong question to globalists.
“Over the past 20 years Congress has encouraged the U.S. military to supply intelligence, equipment, and training to civilian police. That encouragement has spawned a culture of paramilitarism in American law enforcement,” notes the Cato Institute (http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp-050es.html).
“According to a recent academic survey, nearly 90 percent of the police departments surveyed in cities with populations over 50,000 had paramilitary units, as did 70 percent of the departments surveyed in communities with populations under 50,000. The Pentagon has been equipping those units with M-16s, armored personnel carriers, and grenade launchers. The police paramilitary units also conduct training exercises with active duty Army Rangers and Navy SEALs…. State and local police departments are increasingly accepting the military as a model for their behavior and outlook. The sharing of training and technology is producing a shared mindset. The problem is that the mindset of the soldier is simply not appropriate for the civilian police officer. Police officers confront not an ‘enemy’ but individuals who are protected by the Bill of Rights. Confusing the police function with the military function can lead to dangerous and unintended consequences—such as unnecessary shootings and killings.”
But then, of course, the commander-decider guy considers the Constitution and the Bill of Rights little more than a “g.d. piece of paper.”


Projected heat rays to the chest,sounds like it would hurt like hell;good way to incapacitate the enemy on the battlefield-set to stun then fry!

Laworkerbee
10-11-2007, 06:40 PM
I love the comments posted on the blog you lifted this piece from


Well I personally consider the tazer a torure device. This is at least 10x more brutal of a device. Martial law is already in place folks has been since the take overt takeover in 1933

Now one needs to start figuring out what needs to be done to block shield yourself from these microwaves, and also how they can be disabled.

When I first saw these a few years ago.. long before I became very annoyed and aware of the police state we are living in, I just couldn’t help but think that these weapons would be used against civilians some day. Looks like my suspicions were correct.

Waterman
10-11-2007, 06:59 PM
Looks like time for the tinfoil hat and chest protector and cup :bash: at the next hippie rally !!

Techmarine1228
10-11-2007, 07:08 PM
Looks like time for the tinfoil hat and chest protector and cup :bash: at the next hippie rally !!

Might not want the tin foil hat! Think of what happens to it in a microwave!

Instant scrambled brains!

Flagg
10-11-2007, 10:00 PM
Eat hot microwaves hippies!

Do they have a portable family size unit in production yet?

I could really use one to control my kids....they're like rabid hyenas when they get all sugared up.

More humane than a firehose, CS gas, or the Myanmar paramilitary I suppose.

JJC
10-11-2007, 10:07 PM
I wish I could experience that thing because I'm curious to know how it works...

Ratamacue
10-12-2007, 12:02 AM
I wish I could experience that thing because I'm curious to know how it works...It works the same way as a microwave. The radiation is just the right frequency to excite water molecules, so the water in your skin heats up you're hit with it. As for how it feels, I would imagine it simply feels like your skin is burning all over your body.

JJC
10-12-2007, 12:14 AM
If it cooks like a microwave how does it avoid heating your fluids including blood so not to disturb the equilibrium in body temp?

Ratamacue
10-12-2007, 12:21 AM
If it cooks like a microwave how does it avoid heating your fluids including blood so not to disturb the equilibrium in body temp?The frequency of the ADS is ~95GHz as opposed to the 2.45GHz used by most microwaves. Water absorbs radiation at that frequency much better, and so the waves only penetrate 0.4mm into your skin. In other words, they're not even going to make it all the way through the skin.

Rictor
10-12-2007, 01:12 AM
This is so clearly not fascistic, it's not even funny.

a_very_ex_STAB
10-12-2007, 04:05 AM
This is so clearly not fascistic, it's not even funny.

Get with the program liberal. Microwaves are good for you. Your corporate overseers say so.

WarriorMonk
10-12-2007, 08:14 AM
ah well, was a good idea while it lasted.

now that "Future Weapons" host is going to have to eat his words...

along with R Lee Ermey with the XM8 and Dragon Skin...

Limeyfellow
10-14-2007, 11:33 AM
It works really well at disabling people by making them feel they are on fire, with only several severe burns spotted on the test subjects. The only thing that concerns me is in the tests they designated that no one was allowed to carry anything metal due to the massive heating and physical damage it would do to people, so what will happen when you use it on a crowd full of metal zippers, coins in their pockets, watches, glasses, tooth filings and so on when the microwaves hit them. It would be rather embarrassing watching the subjects set on fire from the heat and suffer massive burn damage.

8thidpathfinderpower
10-15-2007, 11:27 PM
This is so clearly not fascistic, it's not even funny.

No, I have to agree...this is a very dangerous weapon system, and to the innocent who think this is not dangerous.....think of yourself, being put in a giant microwave, having radio waves course through your body, cooking you from the inside out.....

It does not take lethal weapons to kill someone....non lethal can do it just as effiecient

8thidpathfinderpower
10-15-2007, 11:29 PM
The frequency of the ADS is ~95GHz as opposed to the 2.45GHz used by most microwaves. Water absorbs radiation at that frequency much better, and so the waves only penetrate 0.4mm into your skin. In other words, they're not even going to make it all the way through the skin.

I am sorry, but if you believe that I will sell you a bridge up in Idaho for $2.00

Ratamacue
10-15-2007, 11:30 PM
I am sorry, but if you believe that I will sell you a bridge up in Idaho for $2.00Why don't you actually find a source that contradicts me?

Rictor
10-16-2007, 01:25 AM
The frequency of the ADS is ~95GHz as opposed to the 2.45GHz used by most microwaves. Water absorbs radiation at that frequency much better, and so the waves only penetrate 0.4mm into your skin. In other words, they're not even going to make it all the way through the skin.

While that may be true (I have no idea, so I'll take your word) it's also irrelevant. Causing peace protestors, or even un-peaceful protestors, to experience intense pain, regardless of whether it leaves permanent damage or not, as a way of "riot control" is one step closer to a police state. The less lethal a weapon is the more likely police are to use it; I would rather have them just carry guns, so that they think long and hard before pulling the trigger instead of zapping everyone who looks at them the wrong way.

Ratamacue
10-16-2007, 01:39 AM
While that may be true (I have no idea, so I'll take your word) it's also irrelevant. Causing peace protestors, or even un-peaceful protestors, to experience intense pain, regardless of whether it leaves permanent damage or not, as a way of "riot control" is one step closer to a police state.So in that case, you're against the use of teargas? Tazers? Those are both quite painful less-lethal systems, and frequently used during riots.

ADS isn't some handheld device that's going to be carried by every officer. As pictures show, it's a giant freaking dish mounted atop a truck. The only case I can feasibly see the police breaking it out is in such a situation that riot police and less-lethal systems such as those I mentioned are going to be employed anyway. This is simply another tool to execute the same mission. I don't see why it should be considered any worse than armored police with batons and shields marching in line while launching and throwing CS grenades.

Minardiau
10-16-2007, 03:30 AM
Since the advent of less then lethal weapons in police arsenals I've noticed an increase in the use of physical force by police even during times of legitimate protests.

It's a disturbing trend insofar that police will more often use force knowing the repercussions are not as sever as opposed to using deadly force.

These weapons are a move towards more control of a population. Police/governments can say what they will.

BloodyTalon
10-16-2007, 03:49 AM
Since the advent of less then lethal weapons in police arsenals I've noticed an increase in the use of physical force by police even during times of legitimate protests.

It's a disturbing trend insofar that police will more often use force knowing the repercussions are not as sever as opposed to using deadly force.

These weapons are a move towards more control of a population. Police/governments can say what they will.
So what's your proposal for an alternative to those horrible, horrible, non-lethal weapons? Old-fashioned guns and beat downs? After all, those worked wonderfully in incidences like Kent State and Watts, right? Call me a slave to the corporate police state if you will, but if I had the choice between getting a bullet in the chest/a baton crashing into my face or feeling like i've been hit by lightening/set on fire for a few seconds but still come out unscathed, i'm going with the latter.

Seriously, it's melodramatic "OMG ITS JUST LIKE OCEANIA!" types like you who are the reason for stupid laws like the banning of police dogs in Berkeley.

nemowork
10-16-2007, 09:45 AM
So they use this after reading out the requirement to remove all metal objects, earings, nose rings, lip rings, nipple rings and onwards, by the time the rioters are safe for it to be used on the fight will have been over days.

And can you imagine the court cases if somebody does get more than a light tan, then a year after the riot somebody sues for getting skin cancer and asks for millions.

Fun days ahead for that little toy!

Ratamacue
10-16-2007, 06:10 PM
So they use this after reading out the requirement to remove all metal objects, earings, nose rings, lip rings, nipple rings and onwards, by the time the rioters are safe for it to be used on the fight will have been over days.

And can you imagine the court cases if somebody does get more than a light tan, then a year after the riot somebody sues for getting skin cancer and asks for millions.

Fun days ahead for that little toy!http://www.alternet.org/story/24044/?page=2
Rich Garcia, press officer at Air Force Research Laboratory's Directed Energy Directorate at Kirtland Air Force Base, said he was safely zapped by the weapon while wearing contact lenses and clothes with zippers. When asked about the weapon's safety margin, Garcia said he could not give specific times or exposure levels but added that "the safety margin is determined by a variety of factors, including the power of the system and the amount of time for each exposure. The operator is key to ensuring that a person is not over exposed."

SOG
10-22-2007, 01:57 PM
this was demonstrated on army soldiers and the host of future weapons on the discovery channel. they seemed to get a kick out of it. it would turn on and they would all start running and moving away fast.

i think israel would love it to disperse angry/stupid crowds when they work in gaza. the US would love it for some parts of iraq as well. hell, just about every country in the world could use a few. it is pretty damn nice compared to everything else. you get as hot as sh!t and have to move. thats it. tons of tests were done on troops who didnt seem to have problems. of course, counting all variables for what someone has on their person is another matter entirely.

Eat hot microwaves hippies!

Do they have a portable family size unit in production yet?

I could really use one to control my kids....they're like rabid hyenas when they get all sugared up.

More humane than a firehose, CS gas, or the Myanmar paramilitary I suppose.

lol, the civilian sector would make a mint.

SOG
10-22-2007, 03:50 PM
sorry i couldnt find the future weapons discovery channel vid - i did find promo vid from maker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr3qJ0racd0

also an interesting forum talk about supposed ways to defeat such a device.
http://reddit.com/info/2ribo/comments/c2rnke

either way, the comments made on both pages are fun as usual.

Laworkerbee
10-22-2007, 04:02 PM
These weapons are a move towards more control of a population. Police/governments can say what they will.

That only works if the populace is unarmed, not so in the United States.

StukaJr
10-22-2007, 04:37 PM
That only works if the populace is unarmed, not so in the United States.

.303 British vs microwave dish that size = what kind of range can you get with iron sights? p-)

Laworkerbee
10-22-2007, 04:39 PM
.303 British vs microwave dish that size = what kind of range can you get with iron sights? p-)

OPSEC p-)

*would need a StukaJr 180 grain load*

StukaJr
10-22-2007, 04:47 PM
OPSEC p-)

*would need a StukaJr 180 grain load*

Well, next time you get a bunch of 50 year old Pakistani ammo that hangfires - I could pull those nice steel core military bullets p-) cough-cough

Also, why is this thread in "Military History and Tactics" - did I miss something?