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J-10
10-15-2007, 12:56 PM
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/sunday/commentary/la-op-mead14oct14,0,113024.story?coll=la-sunday-commentary
China doesn't own the future
Overall growth in Asia will balance any threat China may pose to U.S. prominence.
By Walter Russell Mead
October 14, 2007

The conventional wisdom is that China is rising and the United States is on its way down. According to this view, the 21st century challenge for U.S. foreign policy is to manage our inevitable decline as gracefully as possible as the new superpower of the East reaches for the stars.

The conventional wisdom almost always sounds smart -- and is almost always wrong. The U.S. doesn't need to contain China, and it doesn't need to fight China either. Nor does it need to prepare to gracefully let China replace the United States as the world's leading power.

The first reason is simple. The rise of China is only part of a much bigger story -- the rise of Asia. China isn't ascending in a vacuum, destined to dominate its region the way the U.S. dominates the Western Hemisphere -- or the way Germany once tried to dominate Europe.

China is rising, but so is India. So are Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand and Korea (where South and North may be united before too much longer). Japan will remain a powerful economic, military and technological force for the foreseeable future. Taiwan is not sinking into the sea; Australia is prospering as never before. Bangladesh is beginning to industrialize; even Myanmar, or Burma, may possibly follow the road to prosperity through global economic integration that has made East and South Asia growth rates the envy of the world.

Some Americans look at this picture and think that the other rising Asian powers can help the U.S. contain China. This is a mistake not only because other Asian countries are uninterested in hostile relations with a rich and powerful country like China but because it looks less and less as though the U.S. will need to contain Beijing.

The new Asia taking shape is too big, too diverse, too independent and too rich for one country to rule. Not China, not the United States, not India.

Asia's Big Three -- China, India and Japan -- are in rough balance. Any two of them are economically and militarily strong enough to prevent the third from dominating the region. India and Japan could balance China. China and Japan could balance India. And Japan's dreams of dominating the Pacific died in 1945. With the U.S. also prepared to defend the balance of power in Asia, it seems unlikely that China, or any other nation, will waste time and money in the effort to overturn it.

China will continue to modernize its military and test the limits of its power. But for it to build armed forces that could overcome the combined might of the U.S., India and Japan is not now, and probably never will be, a feasible project.

In terms of world power, there will be five big players -- the U.S., the European Union and the Asian Big Three. But of these, the U.S. will continue to play a unique role because it will be a vital part of the Asian balance of power as well as of the European one.

In looking to Asia's future, it's important to realize that numbers aren't everything. In 1700, China, India and France all had more people and bigger economies than Britain -- but it was Britain that became a world power. The U.S. today is bigger, stronger and richer than Britain ever was; our share of world gross domestic product is three times Britain's share at its peak.

Thanks to the one-child policy, China's population may have peaked -- and the U.S. is still rapidly growing. If demographers are correct, by 2050 there will be about 1.4 billion Chinese (up from 1.3 billion) and about 400 million Americans (up 100 million).

The comparison between the two countries is even more dramatic in terms of labor forces. Today, there are about 948 million working-age people in China and about 202 million in the United States. Because of the one-child policy, China's population will age faster than in the U.S. and, in 2050, there will be about 248 million working-age Americans -- and 860 million Chinese.

Preoccupied with their own problems and concerns, Americans often miss how serious other countries' problems are. China's population crisis means that it will face a greater crisis caring for an elderly population with a smaller workforce. The country's other problems are formidable as well and will keep it busy for decades: cleaning up its environment, developing a financial system that can keep pace with a modernizing economy and creating an effective healthcare system. Then there is the question of devising a system of government strong enough to administer a country the size of China yet flexible enough to meet local needs -- and that allows dissent and political competition but does not fly apart into disunity.

There is one other factor at work. Ever since the U.S. moved to rebuild relations with China under President Nixon, it has been trying to persuade China to engage with the international system -- to behave more like a "normal" country. That policy over time has been a spectacular success. Although the transition is not yet complete, China has come to believe that its interests are best served by participating in regional organizations and summits and by joining such organizations as the World Trade Organization.

China's pride at hosting the 2008 Summer Olympics is a sign of how far this transformation has gone. Just 40 years ago, it was news when the Chinese invited a group of Americans to play ping-pong. Now China has the ability -- and the will -- to host the most high-profile, expensive and complex festival in the world of international sport.

Promoting the peaceful development of Asia, ensuring that smaller countries are not threatened by their large neighbors and helping the Asian superpowers to find a set of economic and security relationships that can keep the region peaceful as it passes through the greatest economic and social transformation in world history -- those should be the goals of U.S. policy in Asia this century.

If we get that right, and if we preserve the social dynamism at home that is the basis of our global role, we will promote the rise of democracy and prosperity in Asia and build a better world for the future.

Walter Russell Mead, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, is the author of "God and Gold: Britain, America and the Making of the Modern World."

Solvent
10-15-2007, 01:35 PM
fair enough

Rictor
10-15-2007, 02:17 PM
Why is it that intellectuals, analysts and policy-makers always seem so surprised and proud when they discover that which is plainly obvious. Of course China isn't going to take over the world, nor indeed Asia. They will become a superpower (if they aren't already) but that doesn't mean they will do so to the exclusion of everyone else.

hughdotoh
10-15-2007, 03:11 PM
Why is it that intellectuals, analysts and policy-makers always seem so surprised and proud when they discover that which is plainly obvious. Of course China isn't going to take over the world, nor indeed Asia. They will become a superpower (if they aren't already) but that doesn't mean they will do so to the exclusion of everyone else.

Western intellectuals, etc. always seem so surprised.

In the Far East, that's but a flea-fart in a tornado.

(...hears Japanese, Korean, and Vietnamese intellectuals suppressing laughter in the background...)

lenovo
10-15-2007, 04:39 PM
ADR: PTR(China petro) and SPN(China petro & chem) up 12% today in the NY stock market, did you buy them?

hughdotoh
10-15-2007, 05:33 PM
ADR: PTR(China petro) and SPN(China petro & chem) up 12% today in the NY stock market, did you buy them?

I might. How much are they in Hong Kong?

Kitsune
10-15-2007, 08:26 PM
I can't help it, but for one great foreign political expert some of this guy's statements do not seem too bright.



For example:


Asia's Big Three -- China, India and Japan -- are in rough balance. Any two of them are economically and militarily strong enough to prevent the third from dominating the region. India and Japan could balance China. China and Japan could balance India. And Japan's dreams of dominating the Pacific died in 1945. With the U.S. also prepared to defend the balance of power in Asia, it seems unlikely that China, or any other nation, will waste time and money in the effort to overturn it.

At present India is rising, yes, but not in the way as China does. India can defend itself but it is not able to confront China militarily somewhere in Eastern Asia.
And Japan? Japan has a miliary, yes, its so called Self Defense Forces. But it does not own nuclear weapons and is therefore not able to even defend itself, so how can anyone call it a "powerful military force"? What is more, its standing with its neighbours is not too good, any Japanese troops landing on the mainland shores would cause an allergic reaction all over East Asia. Let's face it: any Japanese military intervention on the East Asian mainland which is directed against Chinese interests is doomed to fail, now and in the foreseeable future possbly even more so. If the present trend of China's development in relation to the others should continue, then there will be not too much left of the statement that Asia's Big three would be in a balance and that India and Japan could prevent China from dominating the region in the year 2025.




Or:

China will continue to modernize its military and test the limits of its power. But for it to build armed forces that could overcome the combined might of the U.S., India and Japan is not now, and probably never will be, a feasible project.

So he is saying that it wouldn't be too smart for China to enter a war against the USA, Japan and India at the same time? Gosh...he may be right there. But is it necessary to point this out? Or does China even have to, assuming it wants to dominate the region? (Which, I suspect, they do). I do not know how Mr. Mead defines the word "dominate", but as I see it, it isn't necessary to conquer a region militarily to dominate it. It may very well be that China does not conquer anything and that its soldiers may never meet the ones of either Japan or India (or possibly even US soldiers for that matter) on unfriendly terms - yet it may still come to dominate Eastern Asia within the next few decades.





In terms of world power, there will be five big players -- the U.S., the European Union and the Asian Big Three. But of these, the U.S. will continue to play a unique role because it will be a vital part of the Asian balance of power as well as of the European one.

A bit better, although, if he does count Japan and India as Big Players in his worldview, he may also at least mention Russia in this regard. True is, that the US have a unique position in so far as that they have their fingers in both the Asian and the European pie. Not to mention the Middle Eastern one. But one has to add: for the time being. In East Asia the US may find themselves largely out of the loop by 2030. By then China may dominate the region "because other Asian countries are uninterested in hostile relations with a rich and powerful country like China" (to quote Mead himself). I do not dare a prediction for Europe at present but should something similiar happen there, the statement about the unique US role could be another one of which not too much is left in a few decades.



However, I agree with the artcle in so far as that one of its messages is "don't panic!" Wether it will mean the instant demise for the US if the Chinese should come to dominate Eastern Asia or if America loses its unique global role...that is indeed highly doubtful.

WarriorMonk
10-15-2007, 08:45 PM
Vietnam STRONG!!!11!!!111!!!

(death to socialist traitors!)

2Sheds_Jackson
10-15-2007, 09:08 PM
It's true -China does not own the future. But they've made illegal copies of it, and they're selling it in markets all over the place.

RECON DOC
10-15-2007, 09:13 PM
Not to mention they're lending us large green to finance the war. :|

Scourge
10-16-2007, 01:08 PM
It's true -China does not own the future. But they've made illegal copies of it, and they're selling it in markets all over the place.

China owns a fair part of our future with all the low-quality stuff they export.

Will938
10-16-2007, 09:41 PM
...but I know who does

http://images.art.com/images/PRODUCTS/large/10038000/10038584.jpg

vinny_121_ND
10-16-2007, 10:02 PM
Increasing productivity is the only way to compete with the rest of the world.

I remember starting a thread called "How to bring back jobs to america"
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=120928

Americans may not like having the Chinese becoming a economic superpower, but that's the reality now. Americans I feel aren't ready for that and will never. History in the dark chapters of gold mining, railway building, Chinese Exclusion Act, SARS, etc have always shown that life as a Chinese person in America and canada is quite tough.

J-10
10-17-2007, 06:04 AM
.....
However, I agree with the artcle in so far as that one of its messages is "don't panic!" Wether it will mean the instant demise for the US if the Chinese should come to dominate Eastern Asia or if America loses its unique global role...that is indeed highly doubtful.

No country can transcend America's dominance in future.

China can attain No.2 in future.

lenovo
10-17-2007, 11:05 AM
ADR: All chinese concept stocks up 10-15% today, hundreds of billions of USD

ViktorNavorski
10-17-2007, 11:31 AM
ADR: All chinese concept stocks up 10-15% today, hundreds of billions of USDAnd due for a correction sometimes in the future.