Section 5

[D.js]

Can anyone provide further information on Section 5 rifle, a similar AR15, relevant to the U.S. SPR, possibility used by the british.
http://hk.gun-world.net/usa/m16/uk/bt.jpg

[Kloon]

This one ? (http://www.knightarmco.com/sr_25.html)

[flanker7]

Not SR-25. The photo above shows a 5,56mm weapon

[DeltaWhisky58]

Can anyone provide further information on Section 5 rifle, a similar AR15, relevant to the U.S. SPR, possibility used by the british.


What is the source of the image - how do you know it is a genuine image of a Royal Marine Commando?

Can any of our RM members comment?

[orange]

That rifle does not appear in the list of weapons that Keveaton provided, and there were a lot of weapons in that list.

Does the RM use "SPR" types of rifles?

[Dave-Sappy]

I *Think* that rifle is some private creation by a firearms dealer in the UK and had a Royal Marine pose with it for the photo. If I can find the link where I read that, ill post it. That picture is on some chinese gun website like gunworld.net or something.

[Nod]

another pic:
http://www.gun-world.net/usa/m16/uk/mgspr.jpg


This specific name is the Section 5 rifles is one kind is similar to US'S Mk12 SPR light ambush system, but the related this gun material are really few, the special details are not clear. But because Canada continuously provides the M16 type weapon for the English armed force, perhaps Section 5 at least is with the Canadian engine case, as for was reequips in the English native place or provides the entire gun by the Canadian to be unknown. At present also only knew this gun already served in the England royal navy Marine Corps, moreover it is said its performance was much better than SA80.

from: http://www.gun-world.net/usa/m16/uk/section5.htm

[muttbutt]

another pic:
http://www.gun-world.net/usa/m16/uk/mgspr.jpg



from: http://www.gun-world.net/usa/m16/uk/section5.htm
What I can gather from the piss poor English is, it's claimed the weapons in service with the RM's....just to save other people from trying to read it:|

Anyone think it might be airsoft?

[DeltaWhisky58]

Anyone think it might be airsoft?

Funny you should say that, however lots of "one-off" weapons are purchased for evaluation.

[Nod]

It looks as genuine as it can. If it is airsoft it's quite spot on.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I did read somewhere that RM's are part of a weapons evaluation programme that test various weapons for the British Armed Forces.

[DeltaWhisky58]

As far as I am aware, various units including the RM, The Small Arms School Corps, and various operational units can and do trial weapons, hence all sorts of weird and wonderful weapons turn up in the oddest of places and occasionally images make their way to the outside world.

I would be very surprised if weapons of this type haven't reached our shores for evaluation by someone or other.

I'd just be happier for some sort of verification of the image rather than just an image link from a Chinese gun-nut site.

This (http://hk.gun-world.net/) is the homepage of the site hosting the image posted in the initial post of this topic.

Here is an approximate translation of the Chinese text from the "Section 5" page on that site:


This specific name is the Section 5 rifles is one kind is similar to US'S Mk12 SPR light ambush system, but the related this gun material are really few, the special details are not clear. But because Canada continuously provides the M16 type weapon for the English armed force, perhaps Section 5 at least is with the Canadian engine case, as for was reequips in the English native place or provides the entire gun by the Canadian to be unknown. At present also only knew this gun already served in the England royal navy Marine Corps, moreover it is said its performance was much better than SA80.

Not the most relaible of sources eh? I would also point out that the originator of this topic is from Hong Kong.

[Nod]

beat you to it ;)

I guess it sums it up then apart from the validity of the picture.
And that RM's are not issued the SPR Section 5 Rifle as a standard rifle.

[DeltaWhisky58]

I'd say not - but stranger things have happened. ;-)

[Polyshot]

This specific name is the Section 5 rifles is one kind is similar to US'S Mk12 SPR light ambush system, but the related this gun material are really few, the special details are not clear. But because Canada continuously provides the M16 type weapon for the English armed force, perhaps Section 5 at least is with the Canadian engine case, as for was reequips in the English native place or provides the entire gun by the Canadian to be unknown. At present also only knew this gun already served in the England royal navy Marine Corps, moreover it is said its performance was much better than SA80.

Online translator sucks........

This so-called Section 5 rifle is similar to the American's Mk.12 SPR(although to me it looks more akin to the USMC's SDM-R and US Army's SAM-R). There are relatively few informations about this weapon but, however, since Canada has been providing M16 platforms to the British forces, so it is possible that they employs Diemaco(now Colt Canada)-made receivers, although it is not known whatever that Diemaco is providing the completed rifles or they are domestically-built in UK. It is already in service with the Royal Marine, and reportedly its performance is far superior than the SA80.

[D.js]

import for Canada?? just like C8 and C7? then it should probably using the canadian receiver right? but is that weapon issued or test only?

[DeltaWhisky58]

Would any of our RM members care to comment?

[SuperBootie]

Online translator sucks........

This so-called Section 5 rifle is similar to the American's Mk.12 SPR(although to me it looks more akin to the USMC's SDM-R and US Army's SAM-R). There are relatively few informations about this weapon but, however, since Canada has been providing M16 platforms to the British forces, so it is possible that they employs Diemaco(now Colt Canada)-made receivers, although it is not known whatever that Diemaco is providing the completed rifles or they are domestically-built in UK. It is already in service with the Royal Marine, and reportedly its performance is far superior than the SA80.

Guys without going into OPSEC the paddlers have a discretionary budget to buy non issue weapons for either evaluation or operation testing and use. H&K 416/417 are indeed being looked at as well as the US SCAR H's in Poppyland. Although C8's are the mainstay with the paddlers and the Regiment you will see deployments of other weapons constently. **The C-8/C-7 are being replaced by many in favour of the H&K 416/417 and it's more reliable gas system.

There has been noted a need for a semi automatic high accuracy rifle for use in FISH CS and CI ops. The US are deploying the MK11 and the M110 successfully in current operational theatre's. You will notice on this photo though that this weapon uses the S&B scope as used us and the USMC, rather than the leopold the US Army prefer. Also this weapon is the SAM-R in service with the US Marines as a special designated Marksman rifle in Iraq. Note....I don't know this guy and I haven't used this weapon yet. But, I haven't been in base all that much and it could be under evaluation somewhere, but doubt it's here anyway.

BTW this Royals webbing is in a bit of a bad state for a paddler:roll:.Not seen that sh@t for a while!

[muttbutt]

Thanks SB...........

[Loke]

You will notice on this photo though that this weapon uses the S&B scope as used us and the USMC, rather than the leopold the US Army prefer.

The scope mounted on the rifle in the pic is a "low budget" SWFA Tasco Super Sniper SS10x42, not a Schmidt&Bender.
Easily recognisable by the horizontal grooves on the eyepiece.

Super Sniper SS10x42:
http://www.swfa.com/images/ss/tvd_review2.jpg

Schmidt & Bender PM LP:
http://www.swfa.com/images/product/medium/944P3L.jpg

[DeltaWhisky58]

Thanks for that Loke - you are clearly correct.

Is this perhaps evidence of this not being a genuine RM photo at all and more likely a dreaded airsoft poseur?

IMO the British military would never use optics of Tasco quality, their reliability or lack of wouldn't stand up to military abuse whereas S&B are virtually bomb-proof.

[clean]

I miss the days of the Brits needing nothing more than a puff off a dunhill to take down a target at 800 meters. "Optics? Bloody optics this."

[Hollis]

Is this perhaps evidence of this not being a genuine RM photo at all and more likely a dreaded airsoft poseur?

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Super Sniper D3alta!!!!!!

[DeltaWhisky58]

Super Sniper D3alta!!!!!!

Sshhhhh ... ... ... don't tell anyone! ;-)

[SuperBootie]

The scope mounted on the rifle in the pic is a "low budget" SWFA Tasco Super Sniper SS10x42, not a Schmidt&Bender.
Easily recognisable by the horizontal grooves on the eyepiece.

Super Sniper SS10x42:
http://www.swfa.com/images/ss/tvd_review2.jpg

Schmidt & Bender PM LP:
http://www.swfa.com/images/product/medium/944P3L.jpg

Bugger me mate you are right, have to quickly go down and have my eys checked for missing that so badly LOL