Mexican military in U.S. border standoff

[bryanleu2002]

INVASION USA
Mexican military in U.S. border standoff
Police say they aided drug smugglers with Humvees, machine guns
Posted: October 17, 2007
3:47 p.m. Eastern


© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
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Mexican Army Humvee Mexican soldiers and civilian smugglers engaged in an armed standoff with nearly 30 American law enforcement officials on the southern U.S. border, according to Texas police and the FBI. At a spot more than 200 yards inside the U.S., Mexican Army troops set up several mounted machine guns when U.S. Border Patrol agents called for backup Monday, the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin of Ontario, Calif., reported.
The paper said Mexican military Humvees were towing what appeared to be thousands of pounds of marijuana across the border into the U.S., according to Chief Deputy Mike Doyal of the Hudspeth County Sheriff's Department.
The incident took place on the Rio Grande near Neely's Crossing, about 50 miles east of El Paso.

"It's been so bred into everyone not to start an international incident with Mexico that it's been going on for years," Doyal told the Daily Bulletin. "When you're up against mounted machine guns, what can you do? Who wants to pull the trigger first? Certainly not us."
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Confirming the afternoon encounter, FBI spokeswoman Andrea Simmons told the paper, "Bad guys in three vehicles ended up on the border. People with Humvees, who appeared to be with the Mexican Army, were involved with the three vehicles in getting them back across."

Deputies captured one vehicle and found 1,477 pounds of marijuana inside, according to Doyal, who added Mexican soldiers set fire to one of the Humvees stuck in the river.
Such incidents are common, Doyal told the Daily Bulletin. Last November, his deputies were called on to back up agents from the Fort ******* border patrol station in Texas after confronting more than six fully armed men dressed in Mexican military uniforms.
Armed with machine guns, the men were trying to bring more than three tons of marijuana across the border in military vehicles.

Doyal insisted the federal government must do something about the incursions, pointing out the deputies and border agents are not equipped for combat.
But Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff today played down the reports of Mexican military incursions, suggesting many could have been mistakes or criminals dressed in military garb. Last week, Mexican officials denied their military made any incursions.

The Daily Bulletin reported, however, border agents interviewed over the past year believe the confrontations were with Mexican military personnel.
A story by the paper last year highlighted a Department of Homeland Security document reporting 216 incursions by Mexican soldiers during the previous 10 years.
Chertoff downplayed the reports at that time, as well (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49817), calling them "overblown."
But border agents contend otherwise.
"We're sitting ducks," said one who spoke to the Daily Bulletin on condition of anonymity. "The government has our hands tied."

As WND reported in February 2006 (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48636), an American law enforcement officer and news crew in Hudspeth County, Texas, witnessed an armed incursion into the U.S. by men dressed in Mexican army attire, the second such incident in two weeks (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48485).
Mexican officials have said their military is forbidden from traveling within three miles of the border, though U.S. border residents repeatedly have spotted mobile patrols of Mexican military units traversing roads that run directly parallel to the international boundary. Mexico says the armed men crossing into the U.S. are paramilitary forces loyal to drug-smuggling cartels.

Republican Reps. Duncan Hunter and David Drier of California last week asked Chertoff, the House Judiciary Committee, the House Homeland Security Committee and the House International Relations Committee to investigate the incursions.


Source-http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58196

[Dragunov]

Hopefully they have pictures or videos about this. Otherwise I believe they can be narco-terrorists who dress up as soldiers and/or federal agents. In their arsenals they have anything from machine guns, rocket launchers to .50 Barret sniper rifles.


But Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff today played down the reports of Mexican military incursions, suggesting many could have been mistakes or criminals dressed in military garb. Last week, Mexican officials denied their military made any incursions.

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[bryanleu2002]

"But Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff today played down the reports of Mexican military incursions, suggesting many could have been mistakes or criminals dressed in military garb. Last week, Mexican officials denied their military made any incursions."

I would believe the boots and eyes on the ground before i would believe somebody in Washington a few thousand miles away.

Officials with fine hats and imaginative names are allways trying to cover their ass's.

If there were 30 USBP on sight during the acclaimed incident and all collaborated the same story, I would say that ,Its true.

That in itself is conclusive evidence. USBP does not go around making up stories..

[noname]

I wouldn't believe anything from an administration that has done very little if anything at all as far as securing the southern border.

[Dragunov]

Well, the evidence that supports my theory is right there on images, and if you want videos just ask.

Where are yours?

[Ordie]

I don't believe anything from the worlddaily net.

The Fox news of the internet.

[Dragunov]

I don't believe anything from the worlddaily net.

The Fox news of the internet.


Since President Calderon took office and started to take the fight to the enemy there has been a propaganda campaigns paid off by drug cartels to discredit the Armed Forces.

However, this is not going to stop us, we will keep fighting these scumbags. More of our soldiers will die in this war, and people must remember them as heroes.

[bryanleu2002]

Well, the evidence that supports my theory is right there on images, and if you want videos just ask.

Where are yours?

your not making any sense,

Sure they could be drug cartel terrorist's, and if so , why is the Mexican government not doing anything about it? where is the Mexican Border Patrol? If the Mexican Border patrol and military's policy is to stay 3 miles away, then the terrorist drug cartels have free reign on the US Mexican border for 3 miles along the entire border..HMMM that makes sense...

If the Mexican Military is what they you say they are, then let's see some video or pic's from you, of Mexican Military or border patrol operating on the border busting drug cartel terrorists, of course 3 miles away...

here are a few pics of previous incursions.

August 9, 2007

More photos of Mexican military operating just south of the border west of Naco, Arizona. ABP estimates there could have been as many as thirty heavily armed soldiers in this convoy. Photo below shows soldier with weapon at the ready. -- ABP will present a more complete report, together with video footage, during its regular "Live From the Border" Internet broadcast this coming Friday at noon.

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[Dragunov]

OMG. This last post just took away credibility from you. Review what you just posted. I can pop your bubble really easy and make you look like a moron in front of everyone.

Good luck.


your not making any sense,

Sure they could be drug cartel terrorist's, and if so , why is the Mexican government not doing anything about it? where is the Mexican Border Patrol? If the Mexican Border patrol and military's policy is to stay 3 miles away, then the terrorist drug cartels have free reign on the US Mexican border for 3 miles along the entire border..HMMM that makes sense...

If the Mexican Military is what they you say they are, then let's see some video or pic's from you, of Mexican Military or border patrol operating on the border busting drug cartel terrorists, of course 3 miles away...

here are a few pics of previous incursions.

August 9, 2007

More photos of Mexican military operating just south of the border west of Naco, Arizona. ABP estimates there could have been as many as thirty heavily armed soldiers in this convoy. Photo below shows soldier with weapon at the ready. -- ABP will present a more complete report, together with video footage, during its regular "Live From the Border" Internet broadcast this coming Friday at noon.

http://www.americanpatrol.com/ABP/PHOTO-OF-THE-DAY/2007/IMAGES/070809A.jpg

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[bryanleu2002]

Since President Calderon took office and started to take the fight to the enemy there has been a propaganda campaigns paid off by drug cartels to discredit the Armed Forces.

However, this is not going to stop us, we will keep fighting these scumbags. More of our soldiers will die in this war, and people must remember them as heroes.

Ok, so by this statement you have, (by deductive reasoning) concluded that money has no enemy, except one Your oath. This is the very same problem America faces , Its good to see that we have something in common..

We also will continue to fight these scumbags...

[LaoSexMachine]

I believe WND as much as Pat Robertson telling me the world is gonna end tomorrow.

[Rakki]

...I am sure the drug dealers can afford to pay for the gear and vehicles to dress up like the Mexican Army. However, the U.S. should catch some just to see exactly who the hell the yare.

[John Crighton]

This is easy. Engage them.

Armed forces in the uniform of another nation crossing the border armed - no brainer.

If the Mexican army complains then you know it was the Mexican army and you can bet they will think twice about doing it again, if not, you know it was drug runners and no one will care.

Word of crazy Americans shooting Mexicans might just keep a few of them on their side of the river for a few weeks.

[Dragunov]

Just got these pictures. This is the weaponry the Army confiscated a few days ago in Northern Mexico.

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[AZRON]

I want more verification on this.
Why would the Mexican border patrol be there ? Hardly anyone sneaks south into Mexico when they can use the normal border crossing points.
It's not againist Mexican law to leave Mexico. Usually Mexico has check points a few miles south of the border.
As to the Mexican army doesn't come within 3 miles of the border , I never heard that before. I thought Calderon sent army units into some of the border cities to keep the Cartel types at bay.
For decades it's been common to see the Federales with automatic weapons walking around towns and cities near or on the border.

[bryanleu2002]

OMG. This last post just took away credibility from you. Review what you just posted. I can pop your bubble really easy and make you look like a moron in front of everyone.

Good luck.

Again, your threats are in vein , I am not trying to create a bubble.

Simply, I am, and have defused your aggression with civility and logic.

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Originally Posted by Dragunov http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2820056#post2820056)
Since President Calderon took office and started to take the fight to the enemy there has been a propaganda campaigns paid off by drug cartels to discredit the Armed Forces.

However, this is not going to stop us, we will keep fighting these scumbags. More of our soldiers will die in this war, and people must remember them as heroes.

Ok, so by this statement you have, (by deductive reasoning) concluded that money has no enemy, except one Your oath. This is the very same problem America faces , Its good to see that we have something in common..

We also will continue to fight these scumbags...

If you choose to make a moron out of me, and that is what you want to do with your time, that is what the drug terrorist want.

If i were you , I would stop being a bubble burster on Military photos.net and start challenging the systems that control you and I. Burst their bubbles!

Money has no enemy, except One "your Oath"

Honor your Oath Dragunov.

[Henry's Fork]

So Drag, what you are saying with the pictures is: The cartels have access to military gear and weapons. Therefore, they are the ones playing dress up to make it look like they are from the Mexican military..?!?!?

If you are saying that, i would have to agree with you. The cartels are some sneaky scumbags.

Them Russian LAW's look so beat up and rusted i wonder if they still work?

[junglejim]

Funny thing about this article is now the drugs are coming from America. whats neaxt the US being declared a Narco state hehe

[8thidpathfinderpower]

This article is not the first time I have heard about these incedents along the US/Mexican border.

But why should DHS become involved with security of the border? Why stop illegal human smuggling, drug smuggling, and weapons smuggling when that is a billion dollar a industry on both sides of the border? Why, heck, some fat decadent corrupted politician in Washington will lose his kick backs from the crime trade!

Border control is a joke. Along with immagration reform, and national security. We spend billions on invading other countries, but we cannot secure our own borders..WTF?

Border patrol and military units have the authority to fire back if fired upon. But, the problem is many choose not to when the US Government would persue criminal charges against the military and agents for doing their jobs.

WE really need to get serious about border security...and quit tippy toeing around about it.

[Aztec Eagle]

This is easy. Engage them.

Armed forces in the uniform of another nation crossing the border armed - no brainer.

If the Mexican army complains then you know it was the Mexican army and you can bet they will think twice about doing it again, if not, you know it was drug runners and no one will care.

Word of crazy Americans shooting Mexicans might just keep a few of them on their side of the river for a few weeks.

I have to say i agree with you on this one, ENGAGE them! then you would really know how are you facing with.

Last month Mexican Federal Govermant informed to the public of intell. that sugest that the NARCOS where planing on a mass PROPAGANDA against the Army and Federal Police to discredit there good work and cleaning up of many branches of the police.
Since president Calderon took office hes been dealing with the NARCOS on a big scale and they dont like it.

I belive that is NOT the Mexican Army wich was involved in this incident but rather NARCOS dress up in gear similar to the Army,like they have done in the past,but now there getting better at it,i remember a couple of years ago a Federal Police checkpoint stoped a supposed convoy of Mexican Military vehicules that had a ¨funny¨l ook to them,they turn out to be NARCOS playing soldiers to smugle drugs too the north.

And is not only the military wich there mimickin, a few months ago US Border patrol agents stoped a van painted exactly like a U.S. border patrol van it was used to smugle drugs in to the U.S. and people,but what gave it away is that it was a late 90´s model and not new like the ones in service.

I belive that the U.S. has a god given right like we in Mexico do to secure and defend our borders,i also know theres many disinformation and xenophobic statements in this touchy subject .

Im NOT a pro-fence guy, a wall would not stop or solve anything,it would only hurt relations on both sides of the border and to have the National Guard is also not the solution there not trained for this kind of operation and are not familiar on what happends here at the boder.

I would rather see a NEW kind of Boder patrol more humane better equiped with many more agents and more fire power,better trained to face problems like this one and also to have them work hand and hand with Mexican authorities and the Mexican Army so wen there faced with a dilema like the one in Texas there better informed i lived in the border all my life and in my humble opinion that would change things a bit.

Thats my two cents.

Thank you.

Marco A. Camacho Presichi

[RxOnco]

I have to say i agree with you on this one, ENGAGE them! then you would really know how are you facing with.

As long as El Presidente Bush is in office, this will never happen.

This would be a PR nightmare if we were to start engaging with the armed incursions. How are we going to achieve a North American Federation if that happens?

[bd popeye]

I have not read all the post in this thread.

But...

A border incident did occur with some drug smuglers disguised as the Mexican Army from Mexico but that was in January 2006...




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Official: Standoff in Texas involved men in Mexican Army uniforms
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9:17 a.m. January 24, 2006

SIERRA BLANCA, Texas – Men dressed as Mexican Army soldiers, apparent drug suspects and Texas law enforcement officers faced off on the U.S. side of the Rio Grande, an FBI spokeswoman said Tuesday.
Andrea Simmons, an agency spokeswoman in El Paso, told The Associated Press that Texas Department of Public Safety troopers chased three SUVs, believing they were carrying drugs, to the banks of the Rio Grande during Monday's incident.



Men dressed in Mexican military uniforms or camouflage were on the U.S. side of the border in Texas, she said.
Simmons said the FBI was not involved and referred requests for further details to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
The Inland Valley Daily Bulletin of Ontario, Calif., reported Tuesday that the incident included an armed standoff involving the Mexican military, suspected drug smugglers and nearly 30 U.S. law enforcement officers. It said Mexican military Humvees were towing what appeared to be thousands of pounds of marijuana across the border into the United States.
The incident follows a story in the Bulletin on Jan. 15 that said the Mexican military had crossed into the United States more than 200 times since 1996.
Chief Deputy Mike Doyal of the Hudspeth County Sheriff's Department told the newspaper that Border Patrol agents called for backup and were joined by Hudspeth County deputies and DPS troopers. Mexican army personnel had several mounted machine guns on the ground more than 200 yards inside the U.S. border, the newspaper said.
Doyal said deputies captured a Cadillac Escalade that had been reported stolen from El Paso, and found 1,477 pounds of marijuana inside. He said Mexican soldiers set fire to one of the Humvees stuck in the river.
The site is near Neely's Crossing, about 50 miles east of El Paso, it said.
"It's been so bred into everyone not to start an international incident with Mexico that it's been going on for years," Doyal said. "When you're up against mounted machine guns, what can you do? Who wants to pull the trigger first? Certainly not us."
After the newspaper reported on Mexican military crossings, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said the report was overblown and most of the incursions were just mistakes.
In eastern California, Arizona and New Mexico, the U.S.-Mexico border is largely unmarked. But in Texas, the Rio Grande separates the two countries and even when dry, is a riverbed about 200 feet wide.
In November, Doyal said Border Patrol agents in the border town of Fort ******* called for help after confronting more than six men dressed in Mexican military uniforms. The men allegedly were trying to bring more than three tons of marijuana across the Rio Grande, Doyal told the newspaper. Doyal said such incidents are common at Neely's Crossing.




Note the similarities in the stories ..

[ANGLICO]

The problem seems to be having the proper assets in place. Maybe if we can get out of the Iraq fiasco, we can defend our borders. Foreign military forces intruding onto US soil should be first warned if there is a possibility of a mistake. If they cross the Rio Grande, the intrusion is intentional, and they should be stopped in their tracks, consequences be damned.

Problem is, we've made so many enemies with our own imperialistic actions unrelated to Ben Laden, that any military action of ours now just creates more enemies worldwide. I fear we have seen the pinnacle of the world's mightiest and most just society and the downhill slide has begun.

[Felix U. Gómez]

This incident is the one that happened almost two years ago, and was discussed here until everyone was blue in the face. It did not happen this month as the article attempts to mislead. Stop trying to "create" a flame war bryanleu. Even the pictures that you present do not correspond to the Hudspeth county incident of January 2006. They are the same ones you posted a few weeks ago about the ABP vigilante group playing with the homemade UAV flying over Mexican airspace and filming legitimate Mexican troops patrolling our side of the border (in Arizona, not Texas).
Back then, the incident was investigated by Mexican authorities which promptly identified the leaders as well known drug smugglers. As far as I know, since then at least a couple have been arrested and one was killed by a rival group while in a hospital.
It is very routine in Mexico when there is a large drug bust (of which Mexico does more than the US), that weapons and assorted uniforms are found along with the drugs. The funny thing is that a lot of these weapons come from the US and the flow doesn't seem to stop.
About the Hudspeth county incident, I would not be surprised if some of the law enforcement on the US side had been in on it with the drug smugglers. I know someone in the US Border Patrol that told me that they actually were aware that this particular group of smugglers were going to cross a large shipment. They were planning to lay a trap for them. The US Border Patrol, the Hudspeth County Sheriff Dept., and State troopers were in on it. My friend in the USBP, told me that the whole thing went wrong because the Hudspeth County Sheriff Dept. got "overly exited" and sprung the trap ahead of time. Mighty convenient if you ask me. Maybe someone didn't want their associates to get caught? Then you throw a big smokescreen on the whole thing accusing the Mexican army of being involved when in fact they are just cartel members in costumes. The fact is there was no shooting, maybe they were all friends.
Anyway, the reason for this whole dumb thread is really old news. Must have been a slow day in the newsroom.

[Felix U. Gómez]

Maybe they mistook the Mexican firefighters going to help in San Diego with Mexican soldiers. Some people are not very smart that they couldn't tell a Mexican boyscout from a soldier.

Mexican firefighters helping in California return to Mexico to fight blaze

By: Associated Press TIJUANA, Mexico -- About 60 Mexican firefighters crossed the border to help fight the California wildfires -- then returned home as a separate blaze roared up on the Mexican side.

About 30 firefighters each from the Mexican cities of Tijuana and Tecate headed north Sunday when the wildfires started in San Diego County, said Capt. Marco Antonio Garambullo, Tecate's Fire Department director. One of the California blazes burned more than 200 buildings just north of Tecate.
The Mexican firefighters returned home on Monday, however, as flames kicked up south of the border as well, Garambullo said.

"If we didn't have so much work, we would be over there helping them," Garambullo said, adding that soldiers had joined the firefighters battling the blaze near Tecate, Mexico, which scorched hills and consumed four cabins of the "Rancho La Puerta," a luxury spa popular with San Diego tourists.

School has been suspended since Monday in Tijuana due to the smoke from the California fires, and the same hot Santa Ana winds that have caused firestorms north of the border threaten areas in Mexico as well.

[Aztec Eagle]

Maybe they mistook the Mexican firefighters going to help in San Diego with Mexican soldiers. Some people are not very smart that they couldn't tell a Mexican boyscout from a soldier.

Mexican firefighters helping in California return to Mexico to fight blaze

By: Associated Press TIJUANA, Mexico -- About 60 Mexican firefighters crossed the border to help fight the California wildfires -- then returned home as a separate blaze roared up on the Mexican side.

About 30 firefighters each from the Mexican cities of Tijuana and Tecate headed north Sunday when the wildfires started in San Diego County, said Capt. Marco Antonio Garambullo, Tecate's Fire Department director. One of the California blazes burned more than 200 buildings just north of Tecate.
The Mexican firefighters returned home on Monday, however, as flames kicked up south of the border as well, Garambullo said.

"If we didn't have so much work, we would be over there helping them," Garambullo said, adding that soldiers had joined the firefighters battling the blaze near Tecate, Mexico, which scorched hills and consumed four cabins of the "Rancho La Puerta," a luxury spa popular with San Diego tourists.

School has been suspended since Monday in Tijuana due to the smoke from the California fires, and the same hot Santa Ana winds that have caused firestorms north of the border threaten areas in Mexico as well.


Re-post check out MALIBU FIRES in the off topics section.

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[9mmRifle]

I want more verification on this.


I agree, some of the pics look old, I think this post is political and is largely about the 500 million Bush is about to give on anti-drug funding. Any links from a more reliable source ?

[Felix U. Gómez]

here are a few pics of previous incursions.

August 9, 2007

More photos of Mexican military operating just south of the border west of Naco, Arizona. ABP estimates there could have been as many as thirty heavily armed soldiers in this convoy. Photo below shows soldier with weapon at the ready. -- ABP will present a more complete report, together with video footage, during its regular "Live From the Border" Internet broadcast this coming Friday at noon.

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You make absolutely no sense at all. I fail to see anything wrong with this trash that you have posted. Maybe you think that we are all retards or something.
First you say "here are a few pics of a previous incursions" and then you say "photos of Mexican military just south of the border". Do you realize the contradiction in that? Let me explain it to you in plain English, if they are "south" of the border, they are within Mexican territory, therefore it is in no way considered an incursion. If anybody was incurring on anyone's land it was the "American Border Patrol" vigilante organization which by your own admittance took these pictures within Mexican territory. The Mexican troops would have been within their rights to blow that thing out of the sky if they wanted to.
Second, you say "heavily armed soldiers". Let me get this straight with you first, just like you wouldn't stand for any foreign country or organization telling you what kind of weapons, in what numbers, and where your troops can be within your national territory, you have no right dictating that to us. Our troops can patrol every square centimeter of our country within a micrometer of the border, just like yours do and the USBP does. But lets just play with your alarmist, typical minuteman talk of "heavily armed soldiers". I don't even see helmets in those pictures, nor heavy weapons of any sort, like machine guns or rockets or mortars. Do you? I only see them carrying their standard issue G-3's. What did you expect them to patrol with against drug smugglers, BB guns? For Christ's sake, the vehicles are Dodge pickups, they aren't even armored!!
You're just trying to stir up crap with these "refried" beans you are throwing at us. If any of this were true and current, it would be in both countries' major news networks. It's not even on Lou Dobbs, and he lives for this sort of trash.