HKpro.com: INTRODUCTION OF CIVILIAN 416 and 417.

[D-gin]

As of now, and as has been rumored for several weeks on the Internet, HKPRO.COM can report with accuracy that HK has indeed reversed that decision, and has decided to introduce to the market, a civilian legal version of the HK416 and HK417!



All signs coming from HK are showing a new sense of commitment to the consumer and to the civilian gun owning public. HK customer service has long taken a beating for problems from both within and without their ability to control. Whether this new commitment will bear itself out remains to be seen. It can only be said at this point that time will tell.Full article here> http://www.hkpro.com/hkpro416civilianannouncement.htm


Although I will likely never own a 416 or 417 I do own several H&K pistols and I think it is nice to see H&K finally paying attention to what the consumers are asking for.

[mobi]

Excellent news. Overtime at work here we come.

[ABNINF]

Sounds good. Hopefully it won't be outrageously expensive.

[Rakki]

Probably getting ready to try recoup some of the investment if the army doesn't adopt it....

[ZoneOne]

There is no reason why they wouldn't offer the two rifles in semi-auto only to the civilian market.

The price will be the big deciding factor.

I am still clueless as to why you can't purchase a semi-auto G36. Instead you have to go about converting a SL8.

[Waterman]

I guess the goal now is to get them into the country and onto shelves before a democrat takes the oath in the White House and begins a new gun ban.

You still might be able to buy them after that, but they'll cost you $10k......

[SMGLee]

I hate to say it....I told you so!!! :)

[Horna]

Yes!! Hk417 <3

[theholeinthedonut]

D-gin ....you are irresponsible...now I will walk around with a woody for four months at least!!! Any hint at the price yet?

[SMGLee]

a 20" barrelled 416 A2 stock and HK front and rear sight will be no more then 1500.00, the FN SCAR which just recently released their LE catalog at the Police Chief show this past week will also be competing in the civilian market within the year.

Next year will be a full year with most likely a democrap congress and president, we will most likely lose our rights.. so pray that HK and FN release their toy fast enough to buy prior to the next AW ban.

[theholeinthedonut]

a 20" barrelled 416 A2 stock and HK front and rear sight will be no more then 1500.00, the FN SCAR which just recently released their LE catalog at the Police Chief show this past week will also be competing in the civilian market within the year.

Next year will be a full year with most likely a democrap congress and president, we will most likely lose our rights.. so pray that HK and FN release their toy fast enough to buy prior to the next AW ban.

Thanks Lee...I hope the best for you guys on the other side of the big pond......as long as we do not have a german or french bloke ruling the whole of Euroistan from Brussels we might be safe over here!!!! 1500 $ sounds incredibly cheap!!! If they will really sell to as low a price all the European clones like Oberland arms, Sabre Defence etc.....will have a hard time!

This is really great news mates!!!!!

[D-gin]

$1500??? Hell I just might end up with a 416 after all.



Next year will be a full year with most likely a democrap congress and president, we will most likely lose our rights.. so pray that HK and FN release their toy fast enough to buy prior to the next AW ban.

Yep just when all the manufactures will be in full swing. KAC has their SR-15/16 coming out next month, FN has the SCAR and Magpul the Masada......Crap I need to start making more money.

[gaijinsamurai]

X2. I gotta start making more money before the Dems make the "assault weapons" financially out of reach again.

[theholeinthedonut]

$1500??? Hell I just might end up with a 416 after all.




Yep just when all the manufactures will be in full swing. KAC has their SR-15/16 coming out next month, FN has the SCAR and Magpul the Masada......Crap I need to start making more money.

They will sell them to "Old Europe" if the Dems will get out the ban-stick!!!

[Creeper]

@ D-Gin & SMG Lee : Thanks for the killer news and thanks for the heads up about about the potential action from the Democraps.

[Freibier]

I'll get one of both :D

[Macs.]

HKPRO.COM can report sources in Germany indicate that a new rifle called the MR223 has been submitted to the BKA (Bundeskriminalamt). This is called a Zulassungsbescheid or (notice of licensing). This is purportedly the first step that a German firearms manufacturer must take to see if the new firearm will be permissible for sale to the German civilian public.

Excellent.

I got to hurry up with my licence.

[Thor]

I'm not that into weapons, at least not while there's too much fuzz owning them and I have the opportunity to do drills on a regular basis anyway.

Though this one is different. It's a keeper.

[Mountain Man]

The next year should be interesting, both in the political arena and with the addition to these high demand weapon systems entering the market.

[theholeinthedonut]

Excellent.

I got to hurry up with my licence.

If you will be granted a licence I will buy a battery of MLRS!!!
The LU-army vs. Bollendorf FFW arms race can't be stopped!

[Freibier]

Get a hunters license, Macs - saves you lots of waiting time.
There are crash courses where you can get it within 4 weeks!
And I bet you have nice hunting grounds all over ze place in Swabia.

[Macs.]

If you will be granted a licence I will buy a battery of MLRS!!!
The LU-army vs. Bollendorf FFW arms race can't be stopped!

You are a crazy man. Just like we purchased these anti-fire pants we will buy guns.

This is madness, but YOU started it.


Get a hunters license, Macs - saves you lots of waiting time.
There are crash courses where you can get it within 4 weeks!
And I bet you have nice hunting grounds all over ze place in Swabia.

Yeah, I've been sinking about this...

Imagine the other hunters when I present them my HK417 with vertical grip and EoTech... Oi oi.

[Freibier]

Yeah, I've been sinking about this...

Imagine the other hunters when I present them my HK417 with vertical grip and EoTech... Oi oi.
Yeah, that would be your last hunting invitation :lol:
It's no good for hunting anyway (and would look rediculous with 2rnd hunting mags) but that won't stop you from taking it to ze range

[theholeinthedonut]

Get a hunters license, Macs - saves you lots of waiting time.
There are crash courses where you can get it within 4 weeks!
And I bet you have nice hunting grounds all over ze place in Swabia.
Hunting licence with a four week crash course?
You're joking right?

You are a crazy man. Just like we purchased these anti-fire pants we will buy guns.

This is madness, but YOU started it.



Yeah, I've been sinking about this...

Imagine the other hunters when I present them my HK417 with vertical grip and EoTech... Oi oi.
Do you really want to compete with the financial might of the Boulevard Royal? For us tzhe Banks are what the gas is for Putin!

BTW: let's stop it now...we will be infracted for derailing.

[Freibier]

Hunting licence with a four week crash course?
You're joking right?

No, not at all.
I personally went the traditional way, had to attend a one year hunters course with classes once a week and lots of practical classes in the forest but if you have the cash and no time, you can do it in 4 weeks in one of the various Jagdschulen.

@Topic: I wonder if they keep the rail system and flashhider on the civvy versions and I hope they don't come out with a catastrophic stock like on the SL8

[Geezah]

Just to make a comment on the Dems thing. If it come down to it, between a Republican you don't like, and Billiary, please do not throw your vote away, vote for the Conservative, as we stand a better chance of treading water with a Conservative in office, than if the anti-Chritst makes it in.

[theholeinthedonut]

No, not at all.
I personally went the traditional way, had to attend a one year hunters course with classes once a week and lots of practical classes in the forest but if you have the cash and no time, you can do it in 4 weeks in one of the various Jagdschulen.

@Topic: I wonder if they keep the rail system and flashhider on the civvy versions and I hope they don't come out with a catastrophic stock like on the SL8

Even if you do a four week crash course with 8 hours of classes a day...that's plain ridiculous......which Bundesländer do recognize those licenses?...I'm afraid there will be some more Germans who can't get their license transcripted into a luxemburgish one.

We have to do now one year of practical training, afterwards one year evening classes=4 hours a week, several weekend seminaries....then shooting test, written exams, oral exams and practical exam.

I'm afraid the BKA will see to it that your HK416 will be PC from the optical point of view! Anscheinsparagraph! Jawollll!

[JoaMei]

Even if you do a four week crash course with 8 hours of classes a day...that's plain ridiculous......which Bundesländer do recognize those licenses?...I'm afraid there will be some more Germans who can't get their license transcripted into a luxemburgish one.

We have to do now one year of practical training, afterwards one year evening classes=4 hours a week, several weekend seminaries....then shooting test, written exams, oral exams and practical exam.

I'm afraid the BKA will see to it that your HK416 will be PC from the optical point of view! Anscheinsparagraph! Jawollll!

The Anscheinparagraph does not exist any more. Its important you pass the (difficult) test in Germany to get the license, not where you learn for it.

[Freibier]

Even if you do a four week crash course with 8 hours of classes a day...that's plain ridiculous......which Bundesländer do recognize those licenses?...I'm afraid there will be some more Germans who can't get their license transcripted into a luxemburgish one.

We have to do now one year of practical training, afterwards one year evening classes=4 hours a week, several weekend seminaries....then shooting test, written exams, oral exams and practical exam.

I'm afraid the BKA will see to it that your HK416 will be PC from the optical point of view! Anscheinsparagraph! Jawollll!
Anscheinsparagraph gibts seit 2003 nicht mehr ;)
There's the "kleiner Anscheinsparagraph" for sport shooters (no resrictions at all for hunters, haha!) but that should be no problem:
Hülsenlänge > 40mm - check
Lauflänge > 420mm - check (20inch version)
Kein Bullpub - check
So there would be really no need to castrate it optically, Oberlandarms AR15s also look like the real deal without any legal problems

[theholeinthedonut]

The Anscheinparagraph does not exist any more. Its important you pass the (difficult) test in Germany to get the license, not where you learn for it.
If you get the right preparation you can pass a test after few month you forgot about most of the stuff...that's what I wanted to say...it's not important to pass a difficult test it's about assimilating a maximum of knowledge you will need during the daily hunting practice.
Anscheinsparagraph gibts seit 2003 nicht mehr ;)
There's the "kleiner Anscheinsparagraph" for sport shooters (no resrictions at all for hunters, haha!) but that should be no problem:
Hülsenlänge > 40mm - check
Lauflänge > 420mm - check (20inch version)
Kein Bullpub - check
So there would be really no need to castrate it optically, Oberlandarms AR15s also look like the real deal without any legal problems

I know....I read Caliber and Visier etc......was just being sarcastic about some of your bureaucrats.......talking about OA who are they building their stuff for, they got a big "Bestellung" and waiting time will now be 6 months +, did you hear anything more specific? BTW if any of you guys is around Bollendorf and has some spare time at hand...give me a heads up we can go shooting....an adult can shoot with my guns under my supervision at the range, even if he has no license and is not a member of the club.

[SMGLee]

Just to make a comment on the Dems thing. If it come down to it, between a Republican you don't like, and Billiary, please do not throw your vote away, vote for the Conservative, as we stand a better chance of treading water with a Conservative in office, than if the anti-Chritst makes it in.


That is a big roger!!

I think this will come down to a scene very much like Bush jr.'s first election, right down to the wire.

I just think America is not ready for a woman President especially a cold hearted back stabbing bitch such as HELLiary.

[Macs.]

I think the gunlaws in the US should be harder.

Leaves more guns for us. Yahaha.

So, let's speculate about the prices...

[Freibier]

So, let's speculate about the prices...
I guess a plain jane civvy 416 in Germany would probably sell for ~2K.
Hopefully less

[Thor]

How are gun laws in Germany. You allowed to own a semi 416?

[onefast93z28]

I hope they come out soon. I'd like to get one before next November...

[prebanman]

sweet zombie jesus between this and the masada I'm going to be eating out of garbage cans for at a year or two.


Just to make a comment on the Dems thing. If it come down to it, between a Republican you don't like, and Billiary, please do not throw your vote away, vote for the Conservative, as we stand a better chance of treading water with a Conservative in office, than if the anti-Chritst makes it in.

if your saying that if it comes to Klin-ton or Ghouliani that baldy is a better choice, I gotta call bullpoo on that as they will both enact the same levels of gun control becuase they are both left wing gun-grabbers.
make your vote count with a real conservative who will really protect our rights, I'd say Ron Paul but Thompson is a fine choice as well. Just don't give your one and only vote to somone who rarley even pays lip service to our civil rights as Americans, let alone respecting them. [/rant]

-patry

[D-gin]

Gentlemen remember that if you vote for the right person another AW ban will not likely happen and as much as I enjoy seeing debate and talk about the politics of firearms in the world today lets try and keep politics to a minimum in here.

[Freibier]

Heard today that the version for the german market will debut at IWA 2008 and that the SL8 will be discontinued.

[hk53]

this is verry good news
does anny know when the are gone to ship to europe ???





Full article here> http://www.hkpro.com/hkpro416civilianannouncement.htm



Although I will likely never own a 416 or 417 I do own several H&K pistols and I think it is nice to see H&K finally paying attention to what the consumers are asking for.

[JTAR7242]

Interesting news.


Too bad out here in California it won't matter what H&K decides.

[SMGLee]

Unless you have a pre-ban lower...

[Swedish Chef]

I am still clueless as to why you can't purchase a semi-auto G36. Instead you have to go about converting a SL8.

That's because of Bush senior's '89 ban on importing "assault weapons".
HK never had an US manufacturing capability untill they recently joined up with Wilcox.

[LaoSexMachine]

Interesting .

[Jippo]

That's because of Bush senior's '89 ban on importing "assault weapons".
HK never had an US manufacturing capability untill they recently joined up with Wilcox.

No it is not because of that. H&K had a policy not sell military weapons to civilians. It's nearly impossible to buy G36 in Europe.

[D-gin]

UPDATE: 10.23.2007: HKPRO.COM has obtained a copy of the BKA document approving the MR223 and MR308 rifles for civilian consumption inside Germany. What is important to remember is that this document is specific to Germany only, and lists low capacity magazines, presumably for compliance with German law. Also listed are several barrel lengths that are common with the HK416 and HK417.

As far as U.S. consumers are concerned, they should not make certain assumptions. First of all, these rifles as submitted have NOT been submitted to American regulatory authorities as of this writing, and the specifications are subject to change at any time. I think you can also safely assume that HK will not offer NFA restricted barrel lengths, though they could if they so choose. I for one wish they would. It would be a great sign of "going the extra mile" for the American gunowner that HK would willingly sell their new rifles in accordance with the National Firearms Act as it relates to tax paid civilian transactions.

From the submission photographs, it does not appear that the receivers are modified to accept low special capacity magazines of the SL8 and USC variety, surprisingly listed as 2 and 10 rounds. I don't quite understand that as written. The rifles appear externally nearly identical to their select-fire cousins, which is good news for American consumers if they were to remain essentially unchanged.

The report is in German, and you can download the pdf HERE. (http://www.hkpro.com/mr223+mr308.pdf)

It includes low resolution photos of the rifles in both right and left side views.
Source: HKpro.com

[Freibier]

That'S awesome, so in Germany we WILL get 416 and 417 copies that look 100% like the original !!!! wootwootwoot
2 and 10rd mags, same as with the SL8, because you can only legally load 2rounds max when hunting and 10 rnds max while shooting competitions. When at the range and shooting for fun or training, we can legally have the full cap mags.
Great news, great news

[theholeinthedonut]

That'S awesome, so in Germany we WILL get 416 and 417 copies that look 100% like the original !!!! wootwootwoot
2 and 10rd mags, same as with the SL8, because you can only legally load 2rounds max when hunting and 10 rnds max while shooting competitions. When at the range and shooting for fun or training, we can legally have the full cap mags.
Great news, great news

X3 next week I will ask for news at the stores where I usually buy ....they can order one for me as soon as they come out!

Macs how many of them will the
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/theholeinthedonut/Alpin%20truppen/DSCF0776.jpg
FFW get?

[Seraphim]

Pics......

[MaverickCowboy]

im intrested in the HK lower too. is it majorly different than any other upper? is it smother? overall the trigger pull different to compliment the upper? or will it perform the same on any lower?
they will sell the 416 and 417 as a whole gun?

[SilentType]

Cool, wish this would have happened years ago, but better late than never.

[Macs.]

http://www.triebel.de/suche2.php3?bes=&artikelnr=261239&begriff=freiesuche&value=mr223

Anyone ordered one ?

Delivery at the end of 2008...

[usedtobe_2T046B5]

http://www.triebel.de/suche2.php3?bes=&artikelnr=261239&begriff=freiesuche&value=mr223

Anyone ordered one ?

Delivery at the end of 2008...


There are rumors at my local gun club that the owner is going bye one or a new SL8.

[jagermeister]

No thanks I already have AR15s I'll be waiting for a SCAR.




Man I bet the guys that paid those ridicules prices for 416 uppers are feeling wise.

[LaoSexMachine]

no thanks i already have ar15s i'll be waiting for a scar.




Man i bet the guys that paid those ridicules prices for 416 uppers are feeling wise.


x2 .

[MaverickCowboy]

when will they be released in the U.S.?

[MaverickCowboy]

as im told. a friend of mine in lousiana says there up on the wall in a gunshop, but here, sunstore owners dont know what a HK416/HK417 is, or believe it will never be sold to the public. o_____o

[Karaahmetoglu]

Probably getting ready to try recoup some of the investment if the army doesn't adopt it....

I was hoping they would do that for the XM8, I would like to have both the HK 416, and the HK XM8. So I would get the combo the G36.