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[Denat]

"This war is going to cause a detriment to our society," she said.
Stupid bitch, she is.

[OB Kenobi]

"This war is going to cause a detriment to our society," she said.
Stupid bitch, she is.

You sure about that?

[Tane Angle]

Stupid bitch, she is.
Huh?

[American Patriot]

It's a very small wave and has always been.

[Denat]

Sure about that. Because of few accidents with returning soldiers they (journalists) make impression that all of them are crazy killing machines awaiting serious medical treatment. Typical press anti-war BS.

[Roger Rabbit]

Regardless of how many, there needs to be an efficient system in place to make sure soldiers are not suffering from PTSD and if they are to get them whatever help they need. There was a good thread on this a few months ago which i'll try and find when the search button is working again.

[Obergefreiter]

My best friend came home from Iraq for a 2 week leave just this week. He had a 6 hour counceling session before he was allowed to go.

I guess this is manditory for all troops before their leave.

Locally we just had a marine kill his wife while on leave and blame it on the war. (Afghanistan in this case) It didn't take long before they figured out it was just an excuse to get rid of her for his new female companion.

:(

[mocking_loudly_died]

Sure about that. Because of few accidents with returning soldiers they (journalists) make impression that all of them are crazy killing machines awaiting serious medical treatment. Typical press anti-war BS.

One thing that tugs on my hairy arse, is people using "anti-war" as an insult, as human beings we should ALL be anti-war.

To many people see this war on terror as a sporting match or a reality tv special.

Rant off.

[SiFiOn]

Regardless of how many, there needs to be an efficient system in place to make sure soldiers are not suffering from PTSD and if they are to get them whatever help they need....

-Amen-

[Trident-za]

Sure about that. Because of few accidents with returning soldiers they (journalists) make impression that all of them are crazy killing machines awaiting serious medical treatment. Typical press anti-war BS.

One thing that tugs on my hairy arse, is people using "anti-war" as an insult, as human beings we should ALL be anti-war.

To many people see this war on terror as a sporting match or a reality tv special.

Rant off.

Damn good post MLD.

And Denat - are you sure that "accidents" is the right word to use to describe this?


felony child abuse in the severe beating of his 2-year-old daughter

... an "accident"?




one soldier stabbed the victim dozens of times, even piercing his skull.


... an "accident"?


the victim stabbed in the thigh, right arm and left eye and shot in the left arm, left cheek and left ear

... an "accident"?

I agree that this is not a widescale (as in thousands of sufferers) problem, but it IS a problem, and a serious one. To dismiss PTSD as press anti-war BS is quite staggering. Out of curiosity - you ever served, Denat?

[Argyll]

My best friend came home from Iraq for a 2 week leave just this week. He had a 6 hour counceling session before he was allowed to go.

I guess this is manditory for all troops before their leave.


:(

That sounds like a good procedure

[Roger Rabbit]

For the British who go on 6 month tours in Iraq is there any leave?

What about the Americans? How long is the average tour for an American soldier?

[Ichhabe]

When I was in Lebanon in 1986 and -87 our medical check when returning home was just a joke. We came back to Norway, late in the evening. Not a soul, either from the army or relatives were there to greet us. Got "cattled" in to the waiting buses after the custom had a field-day on us and then driven up to the camp. There we threw a hell of a last party. Drank like as if Rome were burning around us.
Then after breakfast we sprinted through the medical check. All they did was counting limbs just to check that we left with what we had when we entered the service.
The second you walked out the gate as acivilian, it was as you never existed for the army. If you got in to problems with PTSD or something else, the last place to call was the army. They did not have neither the procedure, knowledge or "compassion" for that guy that just had his life totally screwed up in the service.
What you had to do, all on your own was to contact the civilian health care. But did they have knowledge about this? No. So practically, you were on your own.
And for some with wrecked souls and minds; walking this road all alone was not easy.
This led to the organization of Veteran associations was formed all over the country. The soldiers themselves had to help eachother. They organized Commerade meetings where veterans could come and talk to others that knew what they themselves had gone through.

Then in 1995 it was a change. After a lot of preassure the army aknowledged that it was their responsibility to take care of the soldiers. A team of psychiatrics was made who was with the soldiers as they came in to service, through the service and after the service.
Whenever something happened, they came to the unit(s) involved and stayed with them for at least 2 or 3 days. Sometimes more.
Today, when returning from service abroad, we stay together for at least 3, maybe 4 days. We then get a chance to talk about what we've been through and are able to have more and better talk with the psych-team if it feel needed.

They can also invite platoons or companys to a "Veteran's meeting" 1 or 2 times for a gathering a year and two later. Just so old friends can get to see eachother.

There are some veterans that donesnt like what these teams are doing, but it is way better than what was done before 1995. Cause back then, nothing was done.

[SiFiOn]

For the British who go on 6 month tours in Iraq is there any leave?

What about the Americans? How long is the average tour for an American soldier?

That's also something that I'd like to know.
Dutch sodiers serve for 4 months in Iraq without a leave. In Afghanistan it was 3 months without a leave. The Bosnia rotations were after 6 months, but you received one leave of +/- 18 days or two leaves; one from 8 and one from 9 days.

[Obergefreiter]

For the British who go on 6 month tours in Iraq is there any leave?

What about the Americans? How long is the average tour for an American soldier?

My friend is on a 1 year rotation. His enlistment was up 3 months ago but will be there until January. He told me that all in his unit are there for at least one year.

I would guess it would be close to this for most, unless you have seen heavy fighting and need to rotate out to rest or regroup. (he is in the "Sunni triangle" but has only had to shoot once)

[SiFiOn]

For the British who go on 6 month tours in Iraq is there any leave?

What about the Americans? How long is the average tour for an American soldier?

My friend is on a 1 year rotation. His enlistment was up 3 months ago but will be there until January. He told me that all in his unit are there for at least one year.

I would guess it would be close to this for most, unless you have seen heavy fighting and need to rotate out to rest or regroup. (he is in the "Sunni triangle" but has only had to shoot once)

That your friend may stay safe in the triangle!

[Obergefreiter]

Thank you. i

He could care less right now. He just got home yesterday and will see his first born child today. She was born the day he landed in Kuwait City back in early January.

All next week, the beer in on me!

[SiFiOn]

Thank you. i

He could care less right now. He just got home yesterday and will see his first born child today. She was born the day he landed in Kuwait City back in early January.

All next week, the beer in on me!

Cheers mate! ;)

[Obergefreiter]

if you don't understand anything I say next week you woll know why. :D

[Nawlins]

This is nothing new... psychological problems always follow soldiers home after a long deployment. I think what we're seeing here is that it's been so long since we've had deployments of this length and stress level that we've forgotten that that's the case.