The obligatory “Stossel on global warming” clip;

[Jeremiah]

http://www.youtube.com/v/uO9laiUXS1o

[vinny_121_ND]

the conclusion statement is correct. "The debate is over, ... Give me a break".
If everyone is so into man made global warming, then why are people still smoking, using excess electricity, speeding 100 miles an hour to a red light, still using coal burners etc. Sure a lot of ppl believe, but they aren't taking any action on cutting down emissions. Al Gore is one classic example. It's a hypocrisy.

[RxOnco]

It's not really an issue anymore. The chickenhawks in the media played up "the sky is falling" sinario until the opponents came out in droves to debunk it. Then, quietly, they all quit talking about it so much.
If it's not global warming, it's SARS, or Bird Flu, or hurricanes, or tsunamis, or the current "crisis" of MRSA. People are gullible enough to believe just about anything they watch on television and the media feeds on it like a bunch of vultures.
I'm predicting that the next prediction will be that millions are going to die due to resistant strains of toenail fungi. My documentary will be out late this fall.

[LMAV]

Like I've said in other threads, the big red flag to me is the whole high school attitude of "I'm right and there is no debate". There is something very fishy about that and the way people in the media proclaim it.

[vinny_121_ND]

These scientists who questioned global warming never got a dime from any company. Obviously the Gore camp is lying. People have always wanted to ask Gore questions, but he declined. We citizens took the time to watch his documentary, so I think we have the right to ask questions as well, instead of praising him with what he wants to hear.

[Ruby_Rod]

I think one of the funniest things with the Religion of Global Warming is when you bring up solid facts. For example i pose these sets of questions to those who whole heartedly believe in the Global Warming deity:
1. How many tons of CO2 and Sulfur Dioxide is thrown into the atmosphere each time a volcano goes off?
2. Is the Arctic ocean heating up or cooling down? Why?

Those are just 2 of the simple ones i ask and most people can't answer them in any way.

Question one - Roughly 10 tons to over 100 a day excluding eruptions. Come to find out its more when i went looking a little deeper.

"Emission rates of SO2 from an active volcano range from <20 tonnes/day to >10 million tonnes/day according to the style of volcanic activity and type and volume of magma involved. For example, the large explosive eruption of Mount Pinatubo on 15 June 1991 expelled 3-5 km 3 of dacite magma and injected about 17 million tonnes of SO2 into the stratosphere. The sulfur aerosols resulted in a 0.5-0.6°C cooling of the Earth's surface in the Northern Hemisphere. The sulfate aerosols also accelerated chemical reactions that, together with the increased stratospheric chlorine levels from human-made chlofluorocarbon (CFC) pollution, destroyed ozone and led to some of the lowest ozone levels ever observed in the atmosphere."

I ask how can mankind compare to that? We provide such negligible amounts that trying to stem those amount would only cost money and truly do nothing to stop the issue at hand.

Question 2 - Heating up. Because of increasing tectonic activity in the region thus making the ice packs melt at a faster rate.

Thing is all of this is documented and can be found quickly and easily. But people so enjoy being led by the nose and feeling like they are the cause of something. I think they call it guilt.

Oh an Al Gore has proved time and again how much of a moron he really is. Don't trust him...after all he is a politician.p-)

source: http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Hazards/What/VolGas/volgas.html

[RxOnco]

Ok, I see that you've left out the evil industrialized West. Surely, we're to blame somehow...right?

If I'm not mistaken, many of these same "scientists" were claiming that we were doomed for a coming Ice Age somewhere around the 1960's-1970's.

[LMAV]

Ok, I see that you've left out the evil industrialized West. Surely, we're to blame somehow...right?

If I'm not mistaken, many of these same "scientists" were claiming that we were doomed for a coming Ice Age somewhere around the 1960's-1970's.

Its a reoccurring theme throughout our history.

[weizen]

1. How many tons of CO2 and Sulfur Dioxide is thrown into the atmosphere each time a volcano goes off?

Those are just 2 of the simple ones i ask and most people can't answer them in any way.

Question one - Roughly 10 tons to over 100 a day excluding eruptions. Come to find out its more when i went looking a little deeper.

source: http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Hazards/What/VolGas/volgas.html

How about reading your entire source?

Comparison of CO2 emissions from volcanoes vs. human activities.
Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1999, 1991 (http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Hazards/What/VolGas/volgas.html#reference)). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 27 billion tonnes per year (30 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 2006 (http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Hazards/What/VolGas/volgas.html#reference)) - The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2, through 2003.]. Human activities release more than 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of more than 8,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 3.3 million tonnes/year)! (Gerlach et. al., 2002)

[RICHICOQUI]

two articles from time magazine one from the 70s the other more recent http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1663607/posts

[Hebrew_Hammer]

Ok I am a "climate change denier" and I am happy with that . What's a bunch of so called eco-activist. The French have used to deal with them in proper way sinking their ships:)

[Ruby_Rod]

I completely misread that article. Wow....sorry for misinformation. I read volcano range as one single volcano....which would obviously bring me to the conclusion of more from volcano's than man.

I will read deeper next time. Again. My apologies.

Thanks weizen. We all need to be fixed once in awhile. Thanks for double checking.

[Hebrew_Hammer]

I am v sick of all this "carbon footprint" campaign here in UK. :fork: One brave sciencist dare to publish the article stating that the co2 footprint of a car driver is smaller than one of a guy using a bike. Thats due to calories you burn cycling/running etc. to replace lost calories you have to eat food which production makes a LOADS of co2. For me very true.

[weizen]

I completely misread that article. Wow....sorry for misinformation. I read volcano range as one single volcano....which would obviously bring me to the conclusion of more from volcano's than man.

I will read deeper next time. Again. My apologies.

Thanks weizen. We all need to be fixed once in awhile. Thanks for double checking.

Well you better be sorry. ;)

Now go on and dissect the rest of your post on your own. :P

[thesuperdude]

It doesn’t really matter if global warming is manmade or not, we should work hard to get of fossil fuels anyway. Peak oil and global warming has the same solution and if we try we have all to win but if we keep ignoring the problem we can only lose.


World oil production has already peaked and will fall by half as soon as 2030, according to a report which also warns that extreme shortages of fossil fuels will lead to wars and social breakdown.

The German-based Energy Watch Group will release its study in London today saying that global oil production peaked in 2006 - much earlier than most experts had expected. The report, which predicts that production will now fall by 7% a year, comes after oil prices set new records almost every day last week, on Friday hitting more than $90 (£44) a barrel.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/oil/story/0,,2196435,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront