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ditedonc
10-23-2007, 09:11 AM
I just wanted to share some pictures of David Stirling memorial that i took during last summer trip in scotland, not to open a new thread about SAS. please don't start post unapropriated pictures or questions. thanks

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A litlle bit of history about David Stirling :
He joined the Scots Guards as a subaltern in 1939, and in June 1940 volunteered for the new No.8 Commando under Lt. Col. Robert Laycock which became part of Force Z (later named "Layforce"). After Layforce (and No.8 Commando) were disbanded on 1 August 1941, Stirling remained convinced that due to the mechanised nature of war a small team of highly trained soldiers with the advantage of surprise could exact greater damage to the enemy's ability to fight than an entire platoon.
Aware that taking his idea up through the chain of command was unlikely to work, Stirling decided to go straight to the top. On crutches following a parachuting accident he sneaked into Middle East headquarters in Cairo in an effort to see Commander-in-Chief General Claude Auchinleck. Taking cover in an office, Stirling came face to face with Deputy Commander Middle East General Ritchie. Stirling explained his plan to Ritchie and Ritchie convinced Auchinleck to allow Stirling to form a new Special Forces unit. The unit was given the deliberately misleadingly name "L Detachment, Special Air Service Brigade" to reinforce an existing deception of a parachute brigade existing in North Africa.
His initial attempts at attacking by parachute landing were disastrous and resulted in a high percentage of his men being killed or wounded. Escaping only with the help of the Long Range Desert Group (LRDG) he decided that approaching by desert under the cover of night would not only be the safest but also the most effective means of approach. As quickly as possible he organised raids on ports using this simple method, often driving through checkposts at night using the language skills of some of his soldiers to bluff the guards. Stirling was captured by the Germans in January 1943. He escaped on four occasions, before being sent to Colditz Castle, where he remained for the rest of the war. After his capture his brother Bill Stirling and Blair 'Paddy' Mayne took command of the SAS.
In the fifteen months before Stirling's capture, the SAS had destroyed over 250 aircraft on the ground, dozens of supply dumps, roads, and railway communications wrecked, and they had put hundreds of enemy vehicles out of action.

Nod
10-23-2007, 09:24 AM
That bronze plate needs a cleaning :(

However great pictures, and hopefully I will one day take my own set of pictures.

Sand Man
10-23-2007, 09:43 AM
Thanks for sharing.

California Joe
10-23-2007, 10:24 AM
Nice monument to a great soldier.

gaijinsamurai
10-23-2007, 11:56 AM
Thanks, ditedonc!

Royal
10-23-2007, 12:10 PM
Nice monument to a great soldier.

Indeed - shame it hasn't got the scenery of the Commando Memorial

http://www.thebraes.co.uk/Images/Commando.jpg

but I guess that's what happens when you're not from the Highlands p-)

California Joe
10-23-2007, 12:14 PM
Helluva view. :)

theholeinthedonut
10-23-2007, 12:16 PM
Brilliant pic od the Commando Memorial...I passed there twice, in spring and in summer. But you can't compare it to the athmosphere you have in the pic with the snow on the mountains.

Royal
10-23-2007, 12:17 PM
Helluva view. :)

Trouble is that 9 days out of 10 you can't see it - I was going to post one of my pics from July - the trouble is that all you can see is the memorial and some mist - not the Ben.

MetroN
10-23-2007, 12:21 PM
Great pictures, thanks.

Beer Monster
10-24-2007, 07:20 AM
Indeed - shame it hasn't got the scenery of the Commando Memorial

but I guess that's what happens when you're not from the Highlands p-)

Funny this topic should be posted now ...... I drove past both memorials on my way home last weekend and was thinking next time I should take some pics and post them!

It's true that the Stirling monument isn't quite as scenic as the Commando Memorial, however, it still sends a tingle down the spine when I drive past it late in the evening (especially at this time of year) and you drive up the hill and see him striding across the glowing skyline as the sun sets.

...... still I have a little chuckle thinking that he would turn in his grave if he new that he was silhouetted :). Bad drills, bad drills p-)!

MetroN
10-24-2007, 11:32 AM
Question:

Why is Stirling wearing the hat, coat and holding the binoculars?

Is kinda random, or is it something he used to do?

California Joe
10-24-2007, 11:33 AM
Yes.........

Beer Monster
10-24-2007, 02:09 PM
Yes.........

Succinct and to the point.
I was going to go with “He was cold and wanted to see something in the distance”. Either way a bit of a strange question :).

MetroN
10-24-2007, 02:19 PM
Perhaps it was. Anyway, no one cares about it so I shouldn't either.

spud7219
10-24-2007, 02:40 PM
A fine Scots Guardsman!

California Joe
10-24-2007, 02:41 PM
I've seen him dressed that way in pictures. It was his standard loadout. p-)

MetroN
10-24-2007, 02:49 PM
I've seen him dressed that way in pictures. It was his standard loadout. p-)

Okay, thanks for the answer.

theholeinthedonut
10-24-2007, 02:52 PM
It's amazing how those guys could win a war with such a low-speed loadout!

muttbutt
10-24-2007, 04:14 PM
It's amazing how those guys could win a war with such a low-speed loadout!
LOL, where's his LBT chest rig, or his safariland holster....omg NO MULTICAMp-)


anyway, A genuinly inspirational man, we could do with a few more like him now

capixaba
10-26-2007, 12:58 PM
Funny this topic should be posted now ...... I drove past both memorials on my way home last weekend and was thinking next time I should take some pics and post them!

It's true that the Stirling monument isn't quite as scenic as the Commando Memorial, however, it still sends a tingle down the spine when I drive past it late in the evening (especially at this time of year) and you drive up the hill and see him striding across the glowing skyline as the sun sets.

...... still I have a little chuckle thinking that he would turn in his grave if he new that he was silhouetted :). Bad drills, bad drills p-)!

Here you go....found on Google!:)
Royal's pic of the Commando Memorial is as good as any I've seen - the contrast with the cold gray mountains and the snow and the red of the poppies...making me homesick! Thanks for posting.

Kuno
08-14-2009, 11:40 AM
Question:

Why is Stirling wearing the hat, coat and holding the binoculars?

Is kinda random, or is it something he used to do?

Wintertime in North Africa is quite cold!

Arfah
08-14-2009, 11:55 AM
As a Brit. and with all respect to the SAS...

David Stirling wasn't the creator of the SAS. He was creator of 'L' Detachment SAS, Special Air Service Brigade.

Detachments A-K were part of a subterfuge operation in North Africa he just embelished a little bit...

However, a legend was born...

Kuno
08-14-2009, 12:05 PM
I thought that 'L Detachement SAS' was more or less just a name to pretend to the enemy that the unit was much bigger than it actually was. And whilst I fully agree that Stirling was not alone - he was the 'driving force' for the SAS in the desert campaign!

2495
08-14-2009, 12:13 PM
I just think its a shame alot of people forget about or haven't even got a clue about his brother william.

AIRBORNEJOCK
08-14-2009, 05:08 PM
SAS doesnt stand for special air service its sterling and sterling.......duh.......

baboon6
08-14-2009, 06:40 PM
I thought that 'L Detachement SAS' was more or less just a name to pretend to the enemy that the unit was much bigger than it actually was. And whilst I fully agree that Stirling was not alone - he was the 'driving force' for the SAS in the desert campaign!

The name was actually thought up by a guy named Colonel Dudley Clarke, who was responsible for deception operations in the Middle East at that time. of Earlier Clarke had been, as Military Assistant to CIGS, one of the driving forces behind the creation of the Commandos and had been on one of the early raids as an observer. "Special Air Service" was the original name for British paratroops; the first parachute unit in the UK was 11th Special Air Service Battalion which soon became 1st Parachute Battalion. Calling Stirling's unit L Detachment, SAS Brigade, was an attempt to convince the Axis that a brigade of airborne troops had arrived in the Middle East.

The concept of the unit itself was the work of David Stirling and Jock Lewes and it was Stirling who "sold" the idea to Generals Ritchie and then Auchinleck, who approved of the plan and ordered the unit to be created.

Arfah
08-14-2009, 06:43 PM
Re: Dudley Clarke.

Co founder of the Parachute Regiment, SAS, SBS & the Commandos.

That's NAILS !

Further INT can be gathered from the book, "Churchill's Wizards."

Kuno
08-16-2009, 12:34 PM
I truly guess that without Jock Lewes AND David Stirling, the Desert Campaign would have been fought without the SAS...

...and without the LRDG, the SAS would not have made a second attempt after the first one had completely failed!

Kuno
08-16-2009, 03:42 PM
Would anybody know, what Stirling did after the Second World War? Wastold that he was involved in an -abandoned- coup againt Col Ghaddafi and as well somehow in Rhodesia...

capixaba
08-16-2009, 04:46 PM
Would anybody know, what Stirling did after the Second World War? Wastold that he was involved in an -abandoned- coup againt Col Ghaddafi and as well somehow in Rhodesia...

There are some details here on his wiki page - That was back in the days when it was still ok to use the "M" word :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Stirling#Mercenary_work

Kuno
08-16-2009, 04:55 PM
Thanks for that link. Rather thin but at least an indication...

digrar
08-16-2009, 09:30 PM
Have a look around for the Capricorn Africa Society.

Kuno
08-16-2009, 09:43 PM
Thanks for that!