Beheading video show in some schools..what do you think?

[100_Percent_HOOAH]

In California, apparently a few teachers showed their high school students the video of Nick Bergs horrific murder, now parents, school board officials and everyone under the sun is freaking out about it. So what do you think?

I personally think there was nothing wrong with it and it provided a good dose of reality to these kids about the type of enemy we are facing and the total disregard for human life the terrorist show. I remember watching 9/11 happen in a class room; why should this be any diffrent?

[Vance]

The only thing different is the very graphic nature of the video - obviously would be too much for some students. I can see why the parents are mad, in that respect.

[scm77]

I can see why the parents are made. It's really graphic. But I also think it's something people should see. As long as they didn't force the students to watch it.

[Pook2]

Children do not need to be exposed to this kind of sick torture, it only gives them a more horrible outlook on life. 500,000 American teenagers kill themselves every year.

[scm77]

^^Just a note they, weren't children. They were teenagers. Of course you wouldn't want to show 10 year olds it.

[California Joe]

They simply should have sent home a permission slip first.

[100_Percent_HOOAH]

Not all of the teachers showed the whole video, some just played the audio and some showed the tape leading up to the execution. Only a few teachers showed the whole video. I totaly understand why parents would be upset and as long as it wasn't forced on them, I really see no problem.

[mack pl]

They are only "kids", btw how old they could be-14-18 or something about .Well, in my opinion they were too young to watching video like that.I dont know why those teachers show them this video.Well, they dont need to proof how fuzkin mad terrorists are.They shouldnt show them this video.And second thing, permission from parents was very important.And maybe they should watched and talking about this video with theirs parents.I mean, teachers,kids,parents in one class.Regards.

[Seraphim]

Not all of the teachers showed the whole video, some just played the audio and some showed the tape leading up to the execution. Only a few teachers showed the whole video. I totaly understand why parents would be upset and as long as it wasn't forced on them, I really see no problem.

I saw the part leading up to the beheading on the news. The guy reading the letter gives it to the guy to his left and pulls out a knife out of his jacket and then they stopped the clip.

[ShadowNeo]

I think it depends on the context the video was shown in.

When it was shown, did the teachers make a clear distinction between the Hostage-Takers and Iraqi's or Arabs in general? The video could provoke alot of hate in these teenagers, and that hate could be misguided.

[100_Percent_HOOAH]

Good replies, nice to see a civil discussion without an ensuing fame war woot

[mack pl]

Good replies, nice to see a civil discussion without an ensuing fame war wootNo flame wars about teaching and schools :|

[Roger Rabbit]

Depends on the age group, depends on the context it was shown, how much was shown, who it was shown to and were the parents alerted prior to the tape being shown. Anyone could find that infomation it would make things a bit clearer.

[Hullebullen]

Well, if it's 14 to 18yr olds I wouldn't mind. These kids could find the vid on the internet, anyways. Even if it's smaller kids they are prolly not unaware of the incident. Kids need to talk about this just as grown-ups do. Difference is, I guess, that kids are more likely to have questions like:"what if they come to my house and do this to my parents?". Their anxiety needs to be taken seriously.

[fdt]

Whether parents agreed or not somebody tell me what was the educational purpose of this showing?

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[mack pl]

Whether parents agreed or not somebody tell me what was the educational purpose of this showing?
I guess it wasnt any educational purpose of that.BTW maybe they could find this video in net,but not all of them really trying to find it.Some of them wasnt interested i guess.

[fdt]

Schools are supposed to educate young people. What wanted those teachers to illustrate with that? Tolerance? Intolerance? Politics? World affairs? Butchery? Anatomy? Foreign culture? Inter-cultural relationship? Patriotism? Geeeeez.... my imagination is probably too poor to figure it out. Being a parent of one of those kids or the schools principal I would sue their sorry asses for extreme professional incompetence. :bash:

[NcDeuce]

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Video serves no educational value. These are students, not government intel analysts. :cantbeli:

[cqbrdy]

unless it was a history class,social studies class or current affairs class it should not of been showed.
permission slips should of been sent out and signed since the context was r-rated.

the teacher/teachers should be suspended for a month w/o pay and have to apologize to the students.

[jlanni]

well i know in my school... the video got unofficialy passed around by students... not by the teachers... so there isnt a whole lot that can be done about it

[cqbrdy]

well i know in my school... the video got unofficialy passed around by students... not by the teachers... so there isnt a whole lot that can be done about itthat wasnt the question read the first post again, it says teachers played it.

[fdt]

unless it was a history class,social studies class or current affairs class it should not of been showed.
permission slips should of been sent out and signed since the context was r-rated.

the teacher/teachers should be suspended for a month w/o pay and have to apologize to the students.
I would exclude history from Your list. Social studies...? Hmmm ... but what possible subject of the lesson would have to be? Current affairs? Do You have such a classes in US? What is their purpose...? To communicate the news or the media news coverage interpretation?

[mack pl]

well i know in my school... the video got unofficialy passed around by students... not by the teachers... so there isnt a whole lot that can be done about itthat wasnt the question read the first post again, it says teachers played it.Yes, teacher played it.BTW how many of this kids need now psychological help.I ont belive no damages happened in theirs psychic(sp.).well, it was quite stupid, because all of this kids known what was happened with this guy.So, they could talked about it without watching at this video.If teachers wanted to shocked kids by it, they have succes I guess.They shouldnt do that.

[fdt]

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That's all. Nothing more nothing less....

[mack pl]

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[big80a2]

I'm against it didn't see the tape myself.
I think kids are allready vet up with violance and they thant to think it's normal.
But more often they loose the "feeling" of worth of live.
IMO they see these US soldiers and every killed person in the same way as computer soldiers Not really ofcorse but when playing loods of violont games you tant to think it's an object not an person ..... get me...

well what ever it's just wrong

[farmgirl]

I'm against it as both a parent and a teacher.

As a teacher, I would NEVER presume to show something like that to someone else's children, and teenagers are indeed children. They might not think they are, but they most certainly are, and as a parent, I would be livid if a teacher showed a graphic video such as that one to my children. I wouldn't sue the district, but I would see the principal, the sup't, and the school board about the matter.

[cqbrdy]

[quote=cqbrdy]I would exclude history from Your list. Social studies...? Hmmm ... but what possible subject of the lesson would have to be? Current affairs? Do You have such a classes in US? What is their purpose...? To communicate the news or the media news coverage interpretation?if u think the iraqi war wont be in the history books u need to go back to school. lesson would be how american civilians ended up over there and the risk they took to help rebuild a nation after a war. current affairs classes is just that kids go home and cut out news paper articles and bring them into school and discuss them and ask questions about them. to learn whats goin on in their town state and country and whats goin on over seas. didnt u do any of this?

[fdt]

[quote=cqbrdy]I would exclude history from Your list. Social studies...? Hmmm ... but what possible subject of the lesson would have to be? Current affairs? Do You have such a classes in US? What is their purpose...? To communicate the news or the media news coverage interpretation?if u think the iraqi war wont be in the history books u need to go back to school. lesson would be how american civilians ended up over there and the risk they took to help rebuild a nation after a war. current affairs classes is just that kids go home and cut out news paper articles and bring them into school and discuss them and ask questions about them. to learn whats goin on in their town state and country and whats goin on over seas. didnt u do any of this?Precisely... will be.... when it ends. Then will be the time for conclusions... not now as it is still the open wound.

Current affairs... had sort of it at school. They taught me (and allowed some discussion too) then of the Reagan's bloodthirsty regime, war mongering US generals, of the nuclear apocalypse prepared by imperialist govts of West to kill all peace loving nations of workers and peasants who work hard for real freedom and democracy...

[admar2]

Children do not need to be exposed to this kind of sick torture, it only gives them a more horrible outlook on life. 500,000 American teenagers kill themselves every year.

holy carp that is a bull**** statistic.


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[Dennis G]

I saw the the video with me oldest son and wife I would never show that to anyone under the age of 18. I also heard that some of the teachers said that this is what happens when you join the service :cantbeli: <anyone hear anything about this?

A super liberal teacher at one of the schools I've told you about him before, said some very negative comments that I think most liberals would have to disagree with. This teacher is an extremist so far he has not played the video to any of his class's.

[EchoSierra2]

Oh HELL NO. Let me be the one to decide not some klondike that is suppose to teach my daughter. Lifes lessons be long to me and my wife to teach as we see fit. Just continue to teach the ABCs and the 123s. The XYZ Affairs, the Aquatic Ape Theories, etc.

[American Patriot]

[quote=cqbrdy]I would exclude history from Your list. Social studies...? Hmmm ... but what possible subject of the lesson would have to be? Current affairs? Do You have such a classes in US? What is their purpose...? To communicate the news or the media news coverage interpretation?if u think the iraqi war wont be in the history books u need to go back to school. lesson would be how american civilians ended up over there and the risk they took to help rebuild a nation after a war. current affairs classes is just that kids go home and cut out news paper articles and bring them into school and discuss them and ask questions about them. to learn whats goin on in their town state and country and whats goin on over seas. didnt u do any of this?Precisely... will be.... when it ends. Then will be the time for conclusions... not now as it is still the open wound.

Current affairs... had sort of it at school. They taught me (and allowed some discussion too) then of the Reagan's bloodthirsty regime, war mongering US generals, of the nuclear apocalypse prepared by imperialist govts of West to kill all peace loving nations of workers and peasants who work hard for real freedom and democracy...

Wow, did you go to school in North Korea or maybe Soviet Union?

[Fintin]

yeah...bad idea...im 20...i make my own choices...if a prof showed this video in class...i would be pissed...i have seen graphic images before...i have seen the video of the jurnalist that was beheaded in packistan a few years back...they were of my own choice...am i happy i saw them...no...but it was my choice...no one just put it in for class...you just dont show something like that in a place where people dont have a choice to be near it...yes they could close their eyes, but they would still be sitting next a kid who saw it and is going to talk about it...

[ZeroPositive]

I think it is a reality shock and wake up call to people that such scum is allowed to live for such friking inhumane acts it pisses me off big time when I watched that video.......

I got a good mate who might have to do another tour in Iraq and I hate the idea of anything happening to him and if he gets hurt I don't know what I would do...

[OB Kenobi]

I think they should show the Abu Ghraib torture and *** videos the Pentagon currently has in its possession and refuses to allow anyone else to see.

[sla8485]

While I agree that the video can possibly show insight into the type of enemy the US (and much of the rest of the world.) is facing, I think any educational value is best confined to professional intel analysts, and not teenaged kids. I would have a more specific opinion over this if there were more info as to WHY the teacher(s) showed the video.

And honestly, if a permission slip were required to watch the video, I can hardly believe many parents would sign it. That type of subject matter is much better dealt with at home, if at ALL, to kids that age.

[AirZone]

Well im 17 years old.. i saw the video... looky looky im still normal (i think ;)) it wasnt that graphic if you want a real sick behead check the one with the russian and the chechens.. NOW THATS SICK !

anyway back to the topic, life sucks... mabye it shouldnt be watched by 14-16 but by 17-18 i dont see any problem about it... i think they are old enough to understand like i did. (life is not only goody goody, theres **** everywhere)

RIP :|

[cqbrdy]

as i said b4,
they should have had the kids take a permission slip home for their parents to sign.

i remember when i was in like the 3rd grade, i think, there was a tv movie called "the day after". it was when russia was going to drop the bomb on us, i brought the slip home but my parensts said i was to young to watch it,so i didnt watch it and till this day havent seen it. have any of you guys?

[n4292936]

I dont think the "its too graphic" argument holds much water. Ive seent the video and not only is the quality poor but there (for better or worse) are no clear pictures of Nick being decapitated. The audio on the other hand allows the imagination to fill in the gaps.
I can certainly understand why parents are upset. I dont think its a schools province or mandate to inculcate children at school with knowledge of the horrible things that happen during way, nor is it their duty to engender hate for our enemy. They showed a vieo depicting a man being executed in the most horrible manner. I dont think that a school, a place of learning for children, is a good place for that. Poorly considered decision on the teachers part!

Personally, if I was a parent I wouldn't my children to see it. I think it is totally inapropriate for students to see that type of thing, especially in school. Instead of watching that, they need to be taught more because teachers today are getting really lazy about teaching and so are the students... my 5 cents

[California Joe]

You'd kinda have to question the teachers judgement that would think it was a good idea.

You'd kinda have to question the teachers judgement that would think it was a good idea.

They should have used much better judgement than to show 5 terrorists literally cut off a mans head and hold it. Can you imagine what the teacher would say to the class after the video?

[Mudcat]

They simply should have sent home a permission slip first.


Let me be the one to decide not some klondike that is suppose to teach my daughter. Lifes lessons be long to me and my wife to teach as we see fit. Just continue to teach the ABCs and the 123s. The XYZ Affairs, the Aquatic Ape Theories, etc.

I'd have to agree with both of these.

It effects different people in different ways. I watched the video one time on a 2" x 2" window. That was enough for me. I've been bugged by the image ever since. That's just me personally. I hate terrorism, terrorist and any b*st*rds that hurt/murder innocent people. It really irritates the heck out'a me to see someone be'n hurt or murdered and I can't do anything about it.

My son is 15 months old and words can't describe how much I love him. I can't even begin to image'n what his father must have gone through when he saw his son murdered like that.

Personaly I felt fear, hate, rage, and most of all helplessness. Not be'n able to kick the door down, run into that room, and stop those b*st*rds hurts.

The're gonna pay. It may not be soon and it may not be by us but they will pay.

My condolences for the Berg family.

[usa320]

If viewed as a way to show the true nature of our enemies, and as an option, i think its something students older than 15 should see in world events classes. Of course they should be able to leave the room if they choose. But i think its important not to try and sanitize the brutal acts these enemies of freedom commit. Afterall, CNN never stops airing pictures of naked iraqis... if they can show that then why not this...

If viewed as a way to show the true nature of our enemies, and as an option, i think its something students older than 15 should see in world events classes. Of course they should be able to leave the room if they choose. But i think its important not to try and sanitize the brutal acts these enemies of freedom commit. Afterall, CNN never stops airing pictures of naked iraqis... if they can show that then why not this...

I totally disagree with you there, unless there is a class on Analyzing Terrorist acts, it should stay out of the classroom. School is not a place for that, it's not about whether your child is bothered by it or not bothered, it doesn't belong in the school AT ALL.

[OB Kenobi]

If viewed as a way to show the true nature of our enemies, and as an option, i think its something students older than 15 should see in world events classes. Of course they should be able to leave the room if they choose. But i think its important not to try and sanitize the brutal acts these enemies of freedom commit. Afterall, CNN never stops airing pictures of naked iraqis... if they can show that then why not this...

I totally disagree with you there, unless there is a class on Analyzing Terrorist acts, it should stay out of the classroom. School is not a place for that, it's not about whether your child is bothered by it or not bothered, it doesn't belong in the school AT ALL.

Why not?

[usa320]

I dont see why it doesnt belong in school anymore than Tianemen square or Nazi death camps do...

Wether its nice and happy or not, its our world, its our war, its our history and if it ties into the curiculum being taught, should that be current events or modern history, than i could see why one might show it. But of course the students should have the option to not watch it. Ive seen it. To be honest, i didnt find it all that gory. Of course it wasnt nice to watch. It was gross, but ive seen far worse. Its something the people need to see.

And i dont see how anyone can say young men who are 17 or 18 shouldnt be watching it. For they may find themselves fighting in this war, and they should see why we are fighting.

I dont see why it doesnt belong in school anymore than Tianemen square or Nazi death camps do...

Wether its nice and happy or not, its our world, its our war, its our history and if it ties into the curiculum being taught, should that be current events or modern history, than i could see why one might show it. But of course the students should have the option to not watch it. Ive seen it. To be honest, i didnt find it all that gory. Of course it wasnt nice to watch. It was gross, but ive seen far worse. Its something the people need to see.

And i dont see how anyone can say young men who are 17 or 18 shouldnt be watching it. For they may find themselves fighting in this war, and they should see why we are fighting.

you got me there, I agree.

[obd]

Any teacher who feels its necessary to show kids that gruesome video is only trying to spread hate... I wonder if these same teachers decided to show the kids they have a responsibilty for the pictures of Americans torturing Iraqi's......OR why dont they show the pictures of innocent Iraqi children and women mutilated by US bombs and heavy weapons??

Showing 16 year old high school kids some poor man having his head cut off with a knife is sick and twisted ****, not to mention disrespectfull in the extreme to the mans family....I mean it wasnt even shown on the news in full so these bastard teachers would have had to have gotten of Al Jazerra or the internet anyway........Its just as bad as those teachers raping kids.....its TERRIBLE... I think the limit for that kind of **** should be 18....Think about it people: We try to protect our kids from seeing Pamela Andersons **** until they are 18 years old but now we can show a man getting his head cut off and for "truth"...

Tell me, what "truth" do you think a 16 year old is gonna get from seeing that video?? I wonder if it was even put into context and a history lesson was given around it.. I doubt it since its just high school........Reality check: Some dumb **** teacher with an agenda is trying to spread hate through the use of ultra violent media....Again, it reminds me of how Saddam trained his kids to be brutal bastards.........Reminds me of the propaganda Hitler used to kill Jews.........Reminds me of alot of ignorant ****s........


If my son or daughter was shown a beheading like that without my permission I would throw the biggest **** fit the world has ever seen... Those teachers would be lucky to survive....I would feel the same way as if some man had raped or molested my daughter........Under the law, that kind of media is ****ographic and those teachers should be thrown in jail for introducing minors to ****ography.......

What next, lets show kids a women being raped so they can see what its like and be more carefull walking down the streets??

Lets show them Jenna Jamesons latest ****o movie so they can see what *** is like...

PLEASE SPARE ME THE IDIOCY!!!!!

[Trigger]

^Does this mean you're going to whack Oliver Stone for making 'Natural Born Killers'?

[obd]

I think alot of you people posting these things dont actually have children......If and when you do, I have a feeling you will agree, unless your the type that smokes up weed with your 8 year old.........then its hopeless even talking to you.....

[obd]

Haha, very funny Trigger... In all honestly I have no problem with that movei...... However I would have a problem if someone I entrusted to my children, such as a pastor or a teacher, showed my kids that and yeah Trig, whoever did it would have hell to pay........just the same as if they committed some other innappropriate act such as fondeling my kids or introducing them to drugs or any other such thing.......Oh Yeahhhhh, there would be HELL to pay for that.........

[Trigger]

Hey I'm with you (sorta) on this. A teacher showing something like this without prior permission won't be a teacher much longer.

[obd]

Well thats good Trig... I guess we have turned some kind of corner and actually managed to agree on something ( "sorta"?)....hehe......

As I said, I think alotta these people here dont have kids but things tend to change when you have a duughter of that age and you think about some pervert teacher showing her torture vids without your knowledge or permission......

Hehe hey Tirg I agree with you: Those teachers would no longer have thier jobs if they did that to my daughter but thats not the only thing they wouldnt have.....thier teeth comes to mind immediately........

[Trigger]

Yeah, but then the police get involved and you have that whole 14 day barricaded standoff...and then the lawyers, don't forget the lawyers....*

*Not you hank :D

[OzMan]

I saw the video in school a few days ago. The teacher didn't show it to the class, but a few fellow students found a link to it on the internet and we asked the teacher's permission to watch it. A group gathered around, and it was shown twice.

It obviously wasn't something pleasant, or cool or anything, but it wasn't too incredibly disturbing to me. But of course, I cannot speak for my fellow classmates. I think that people should see it to see the kind of freaks we are up against, and some people need to realize that these people do not respond to "please, sir."

I don't think that showing it to people spreads hate, I think it makes certain people shut up and look at things a little differently.

[100_Percent_HOOAH]

I saw the video in school a few days ago. The teacher didn't show it to the class, but a few fellow students found a link to it on the internet and we asked the teacher's permission to watch it. A group gathered around, and it was shown twice.

It obviously wasn't something pleasant, or cool or anything, but it wasn't too incredibly disturbing to me. But of course, I cannot speak for my fellow classmates. I think that people should see it to see the kind of freaks we are up against, and some people need to realize that these people do not respond to "please, sir."

I don't think that showing it to people spreads hate, I think it makes certain people shut up and look at things a little differently.

I agree, although I think it was rather immoral of the teacher to show class-wide, without some sort of perantal permission. We have to remember that this war on terrorism is something we are going to face for a long while and Nick Berg is not going to be the only poor soul to experience it first hand. I think it's on par with showing the towers crumble. Whats the diffrence between showing this and people jumping from 80 floors to their deaths? The total disregard for human life these extremest have, needs to be shown, whether you agree or not, this is what we face and what we must be aware of. As far as kids being messed up from it, I dunno about that, I guess it depends on the person. When I was 7 years old a kid decided to bring a gun on the school bus and shoot a kid in front of my face, as well as 20 other students whom witnessed it.. was I scared..hell yes, was I mentaly messed up, no. Of course this is just my opinion and you all have the right to disagree with me, thats what makes this country great, after all.

[mack pl]

I think that people should see it to see the kind of freaks we are up against, and some people need to realize that these people do not respond to "please, sir."
Holly ****,if after september 11 someone still dont know how fuzkin mad are terrorists from al-qaeda, this video dont chaneged anything.BTW I have teaching experience(not big,only 12 lessons),but If i was teacher i want show them this video.Maybe its not such graphic,but the question is why i should show them it?What i wanna proof them?They know how fuzkin **** is terrorism,so whay showing them another proof of that?Well, if parents could watched that with kids it could be better idea. :|

[fdt]

I think that people should see it to see the kind of freaks we are up against, and some people need to realize that these people do not respond to "please, sir."
Holly ****,if after september 11 someone still dont know how fuzkin mad are terrorists from al-qaeda, this video dont chaneged anything.BTW I have teaching experience(not big,only 12 lessons),but If i was teacher i want show them this video.Maybe its not such graphic,but the question is why i should show them it?What i wanna proof them?They know how fuzkin **** is terrorism,so whay showing them another proof of that?Well, if parents could watched that with kids it could be better idea. :|Rodzice są generalnie przeciw, gówniażeria broni swojego "prawa do ogladania tworzącej się historii"...nareszcie coś ciekawego a nie te nudne lekcje ;) . Nie ma co się przejmować... :lol: lać z góry....

[mack pl]

I think that people should see it to see the kind of freaks we are up against, and some people need to realize that these people do not respond to "please, sir."
Holly ****,if after september 11 someone still dont know how fuzkin mad are terrorists from al-qaeda, this video dont chaneged anything.BTW I have teaching experience(not big,only 12 lessons),but If i was teacher i want show them this video.Maybe its not such graphic,but the question is why i should show them it?What i wanna proof them?They know how fuzkin **** is terrorism,so whay showing them another proof of that?Well, if parents could watched that with kids it could be better idea. :|Rodzice są generalnie przeciw, gówniażeria broni swojego "prawa do ogladania tworzącej się historii"...nareszcie coś ciekawego a nie te nudne lekcje ;) . Nie ma co się przejmować... :lol: lać z góry....Kurwa,zgadza sie.Ja bym im tego nie pokazal bo po co.Jeszcze kurwa nie wiedza że terroryzm nie jest COOL.Pozdro.

[fdt]

I dont see why it doesnt belong in school anymore than Tianemen square or Nazi death camps do...

Wether its nice and happy or not, its our world, its our war, its our history and if it ties into the curiculum being taught, should that be current events or modern history, than i could see why one might show it. But of course the students should have the option to not watch it. Ive seen it. To be honest, i didnt find it all that gory. Of course it wasnt nice to watch. It was gross, but ive seen far worse. Its something the people need to see.

And i dont see how anyone can say young men who are 17 or 18 shouldnt be watching it. For they may find themselves fighting in this war, and they should see why we are fighting.So tell us all ... what did U learn from watching this video? What are You conclusions?

@mack pl - mała podpucha jeszcze nikomu nie zaszkodziła... :lol:

[mack pl]

:roll: nie kumam, ale spoko,od tego sie nie umiera :roll:

[Sabre]

I don't think it is necessary to show the footage of an actual murder in a school, in fact I think it is incredibly sick and disrespectful to both the memory of Mr. Berg and his family.

Any of those teenagers who wished to see the video would surely have no problem in finding it on the net.

If the teacher in question wished to have a discussion about the issues surrounding his murder, then he/she could have done so without showing the video. To be honest, I see it as a similar sort of sick voyeurism as those people who watch 'snuff' videos.

I have not seen this footage, nor would I wish to. The same goes for all the videos of russians and other captives murdered in this way by islamic extremists. We all know how vile these acts are and all we can do is our best to slot the buggers who did it.