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shocker1
10-24-2007, 03:01 PM
No Nativity Scene at Grand Illumination



CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. (AP) - A live Nativity scene that has been part of Chattanooga's annual Grand Illumination has been scrapped.
Chattanooga Downtown Partnership executive director Carla Pritchard says the representation of the birth of Jesus Christ was eliminated after several people complained.
The Partnership receives funding from the city.
The illumination event takes place the day after Thanksgiving and begins the holiday shopping season and the downtown Winter Days & Lights event.
The Nativity had been performed since the 1980s by First Baptist Church of Soddy-Daisy.
Church pastor Dr. Seton Tomyn says the decision is disappointing, but understands diverse cultures are part of the city.
http://www.newschannel9.com/news/chattanooga_963743___article.html/illumination_nativity.html

Then we have the flip side where the City government gets involved with religion.

Showcase to give information about Islam

Wednesday, October 24, 2007

By Yolanda Putman
Staff Writer
Negative images of Muslims in the media since the terrorist attacks of 9/11 and the start of the war in Iraq need to be dispelled, members of Chattanooga's Islamic community say.
"It's important for us as citizens to see that Muslims are not terrorists," said Kabah Raheem, resident imam, or prayer leader, at the Chattanooga Islamic Center. "You can't with one brush paint people one way or the other."
To deter negative stereotypes and provide information about Muslims, several members of the local Islamic community are planning a Chattanooga Islamic Cultural Showcase from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. Thursday at Coolidge Park.
Mr. Raheem said the event will help improve understanding of Islamic culture for people who work with Muslims or interact with them on a regular basis.
Imams will be available at the showcase to discuss Islamic culture and Muslim contributions to the community, said Yusuf Hakeem, a local Muslim and organizer.
"We Americans have a tendency to fear that which we do not know and understand," he said. "This is an effort not to bring anyone to the faith, but to bring about a better understanding."
The event also was organized by the city's Office of Multicultural Affairs, local mosque representatives and the Bridge Refugee Center.
"We have resettled many Muslim refugees over the past eight years," said Anne Curtis, Bridge Refugee Services coordinator and sponsorship director. "We feel a responsibility to them and to our community to bridge a lack of information or understanding."
She said the refugee center has resettled 644 refugees from Eastern Europe, Cuba, Africa, Vietnam and the former Soviet Union since 1996. At least 25 percent of the refugees are Muslims, Ms. Curtis said.
About 2,500 Muslims live in or near the Chattanooga area, according to the Islamic Education & Services Institute. The office closed in June 2006, but the information remains accurate, Mr. Hakeem said.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/absolutenm/templates/local.aspx?articleid=23819&zoneid=77

ADK031
10-24-2007, 03:26 PM
The funny thing is the people complaining about the nativity scene probably weren't even religous people, like the Muslim community for example. Bad on the pastor for bending over like that though.

shocker1
10-24-2007, 03:29 PM
True. I have no issue with the Muslims here having a day to show the good in their community. I plan on stopping by if i can tomorrow. I am almost positive no Muslim here would cry foul at the Nativity scene. What is the big deal? "OMG a nativity scene at a Christmas celebration, hide the children, break the emergency glass, head for the hills."

According to the TV city hall has been flooded with angry people wanting to know why there will be no nativity scene. Guess their "complaints" do not matter. It is an ACLU driven issue, civil liberties my ass.

muttbutt
10-24-2007, 03:39 PM
Yep we've had similar things here over some issues, yet when you ask Muslims/Hindus/insert supposed insulted religious minority, they had no problem with the "offending" item, just the PC do gooders who believe because they are uncomfotable we must all share it too.

Albatross
10-24-2007, 04:37 PM
all religion should be outlawed. even ground then.

SOG
10-24-2007, 05:17 PM
my mom is incredibly religious, she never had a problem as a school teacher dealing with halloween, having kids color halloween ****, school decorations, or kids dressing up as "evil" monsters etc. wasnt halloween some occult event that was eventually mainstreamed into a public event like xmas? who gives a crap. i like it all, even if it does get annoying at times.

these playa haters need to be launched to the moon.

Asheren
10-24-2007, 05:45 PM
Well i would say that this whole unlimited PC is worst thing of our time. If PC idiot starts something its not long till radicals from that religion join up, then some moderates usualy and here we go. I gess lots of (insert religion here) would never give a damn about lots of things if not those PC guys with usualy tolerancy fixation. Tolerancy is important but when normal(radicals would complain no matter what you do it still won't be enough) peoples of (insert religion here) don't care about certain issue where is the problem?

vinny_121_ND
10-24-2007, 06:27 PM
I have no idea why ppl would complain over the birth of jesus christ. Nobody is having a reenactment of mary going into labor.

Hollis
10-24-2007, 06:36 PM
I have no problem with people celebrating a religious holiday, if there are enough of them to pull it off, Just don't drag me into it.

I can handle walking down the street, seeing Krishna people all dress up, playing their instruments. As long as they leave me alone, I am fine with that.

The hypocrisy of celebrating diversity on one hand, while restricting it on the other is just wrong. That is what PC is pretty much about, "It ain't Fascism when we do it" just does not fly.

muttbutt
10-24-2007, 06:42 PM
my mom is incredibly religious, she never had a problem as a school teacher dealing with halloween, having kids color halloween ****, school decorations, or kids dressing up as "evil" monsters etc. wasnt halloween some occult event that was eventually mainstreamed into a public event like xmas? who gives a crap. i like it all, even if it does get annoying at times.

these playa haters need to be launched to the moon.
It came from the Celtic festival of Samhain, Halloweens great here, huge bonfires fireworks ect, best hoilday of the year....but I'm a big kid:oops:

Albatross
10-24-2007, 06:42 PM
whats the saying?

-We must not become so tolerant that we tolerate intolerance.

ADK031
10-24-2007, 07:04 PM
I have no idea why ppl would complain over the birth of jesus christ. Nobody is having a reenactment of mary going into labor.

Alot of people are hyper-sensitive when it comes to religion, not only can you not discuss it, when in the public eye they feel it's being shoved down their throats. I don't think it's necessarily because of it having a bad name per say, or that it's too prevalent. More likely out of some sense that someone/thing out there is making them feel guilty.

SOG
10-24-2007, 07:33 PM
Alot of people are hyper-sensitive when it comes to religion, not only can you not discuss it, when in the public eye they feel it's being shoved down their throats. I don't think it's necessarily because of it having a bad name per say, or that it's too prevalent. More likely out of some sense that someone/thing out there is making them feel guilty.

true about the guilt part, but welcome to the world! every woman on tv is hot (sort of), people have betters jobs than you, cars, houses etc. people behind politics trying to make you feel guilty or angry etc. our whole society is based off of "what you dont have, what you do need". i think all of this is called LIFE and the few people that hate it need to get over it and learn to live it! we shouldnt bend down to the few who cant seem to function properly and are tools of lobbyists and political jag-offs.


It came from the Celtic festival of Samhain, Halloweens great here, huge bonfires fireworks ect, best hoilday of the year....but I'm a big kid:oops:

hehe! big kids love the holiday over here. seems to be a fun party night with crazy costumes and wierd games!

LMAV
10-24-2007, 07:54 PM
all religion should be outlawed. even ground then.

Except for the people who are religious.

RxOnco
10-24-2007, 10:10 PM
The only thing that might have some ground is in the first article saying that this particular goup gets funding from the city.
Personally, I think that the cities should be able to do what they wish. If enough people have a problem with it, they won't do it. We are a christian nation (I'm not one myself) so I find no problem with a city joining in on celebration which represents the vast majority of its public.
There are two types that typically don't like any religion in the public eye:
One, the atheists...I don't really see why they have a problem with something they should be indifferent to seeing as how they don't believe in it.
Two, the Muslim organizations like CAIR. Somehow, they don't seem to find any problem with government funds allowing for foot baths at state colleges like Michigan.

Terrorism isn't what is going to kill this nation...it's the continual pacification of every interest group in the name of political correctness.

shocker1
10-24-2007, 10:20 PM
The only thing that might have some ground is in the first article saying that this particular goup gets funding from the city.
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The second article also shows public funds being used and a tax payer funded park.

The event also was organized by the city's Office of Multicultural Affairs, local mosque representatives and the Bridge Refugee Center.
"We have resettled many Muslim refugees over the past eight years," said Anne Curtis, Bridge Refugee Services coordinator and sponsorship director
I really have no issue with either functions. There is no law being passed here establishing a religion. There is however restriction of the free exercise in a public place.


Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

To my logic this means we have the rights as a people to express our culture. this means we as a people must tolerate others and really should be thankful for the experience of a patchwork of culture and beliefs. This is humanity and we should embrace all good things of every culture.