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EvanL
05-15-2004, 06:07 PM
By Jeremy Pelofsky

WASHINGTON (*******) - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld approved a plan that brought unconventional interrogation methods to Iraq (news - web sites) to gain intelligence about the growing insurgency, ultimately leading to the abuse of Iraqi prisoners, the New Yorker magazine reported on Saturday.



Rumsfeld, who has been under fire for the prisoner abuse scandal, gave the green light to methods previously used in Afghanistan (news - web sites) for gathering intelligence on members of al Qaeda, which the United States blames for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the magazine reported on its Web site.


Pentagon (news - web sites) spokesman Jim Turner said he had not seen the story and could not comment. The article hits newsstands on Monday.


U.S. interrogation techniques have come under scrutiny amid revelations that prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad were kept naked, stacked on top of one another, forced to engage in *** acts and photographed in humiliating poses.


Rumsfeld, who has rejected calls by some Democrats and a number of major newspapers to resign, returned on Friday from a surprise trip to Iraq and Abu Ghraib prison, calling the scandal a "body blow." Seven soldiers have been charged.


The abuse prompted worldwide outrage and has shaken U.S. global prestige as President Bush (news - web sites) seeks re-election in November. Bush has backed Rumsfeld and said the abuse was abhorrent but the wrongful actions of only a few soldiers.


The U.S. military has now prohibited several interrogation methods from being used in Iraq, including sleep and sensory deprivation and body "stress positions," defense officials said on Friday.


SPECIAL ACCESS PROGRAM


The New Yorker said the interrogation plan was a highly classified "special access program," or SAP, that gave advance approval to kill, capture or interrogate so-called high-value targets in the battle against terror.


Such secret methods were used extensively in Afghanistan but more sparingly in Iraq -- only in the search for former President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) and weapons of mass destruction. As the Iraqi insurgency grew and more U.S. soldiers died, Rumsfeld and Defense Undersecretary for Intelligence Stephen Cambone expanded the scope to bring the interrogation tactics to Abu Ghraib, the article said.


The magazine, which based its article on interviews with several past and present American intelligence officials, reported the plan was approved and carried out last year after deadly bombings in August at the U.N. headquarters and Jordanian Embassy in Baghdad.


A former intelligence official quoted in the article said Rumsfeld and Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, approved the program but may not have known about the abuse.


'DO WHAT YOU WANT'


The rules governing the secret operation were "grab whom you must. Do what you want," the unidentified former intelligence official told the New Yorker.


Rumsfeld left the details of the interrogations to Cambone, the article quoted a Pentagon consultant as saying.


"This is Cambone's deal, but Rumsfeld and Myers approved the program," said the Pentagon consultant in the article.


U.S. officials have admitted the abuse may have violated the Geneva Convention, which governs treatment of prisoners of war.





The New Yorker said the CIA (news - web sites), which approved using high-pressure interrogation tactics against senior al Qaeda leaders after the 2001 attacks, balked at extending them to Iraq and refused to participate

After initiating the secret techniques, the U.S. military began learning useful intelligence about the insurgency, the former intelligence official was quoted as saying.

One?
05-15-2004, 06:10 PM
Is there a JAG officer present at these interogations, or at least the prison?

Obergefreiter
05-15-2004, 07:30 PM
Sounds like a political attack more than news. :-*$

OB Kenobi
05-15-2004, 08:02 PM
Rumsfeld approved the plan because this kind of thing has been so routine throughout his career (since way back in Vietnam) that he didn't think twice about it. His mistake was he didn't realize the capability of digital cameras and computers these days.

But the main mistake is people in the US who seem to forget they're supposed to be "liberating" Iraq, not conquering it.

That's if you believe that whole "liberation" story in the first place. :-*$

scm77
05-15-2004, 09:20 PM
That's if you believe that whole "liberation" story in the first place. :-*$

Oh, yeah it was just a war for oil. That's why the gas prices are so low.

Kilgor
05-15-2004, 10:15 PM
I think people have to realise

Interrogations arent ment to be pleasant...

OB Kenobi
05-16-2004, 12:12 AM
That's if you believe that whole "liberation" story in the first place. :-*$

Oh, yeah it was just a war for oil. That's why the gas prices are so low.

No, I didn't say that. Oil is just one of many reasons. Iraq was singled out because it was already softened up in 1991 and ripe for conquest. We couldn't do it back in '91 because the resolution that authorized that war, our alliance with NATO, and the deal made with Saudi Arabia forbid the US from occupying Iraq. The deal was only to kick the Iraqis out of Kuwait. Then there was that aborted coup that got a few thousand Shiites killed, and finally 10 years of weekly bombing and sanctions.

Bu$h came in and thought conquering Iraq would be easy. It was all set up for him by his daddy. The only thing is, Iraqis knew it was coming too, and so did everyone else in the middle-east. That's why Saddam tried to bluff that he had WMD, he hoped the threat of mass casualties might cause Bu$h to think twice.

Anyway, I could go on and on about this, maybe talk about the history of the middle-east, British Imperialism, the Crusades, the Roman Empire, but my point is, the war was planned years ago, and it has nothing to do with "liberating" any Iraqis. If this was truly a liberation, a true turn towards "Democracy" the Iraqis would have been allowed to pick their own leaders already, there is no excuse for them not to. Instead they get slapped with a puppet council of US-friendly corporate crooks and bureaucrats who's only goal is to work out contracts with US firms and grab a share of the spoils for themselves.

usa320
05-16-2004, 12:12 AM
took the words out of my mouth kilgor.

People dont realize that getting these guys to squal can save lives. Both in Iraq and her ein America. I dont see the usefulness of the ****** acts- i just find that disgusting and crude. And it seems to be the twisted fetish of a few misguided and corrupt reservists. But i think sleep deprivation, loud rock music, bright lights, sitting in uncomfortable positions, changes in hot and cold, ect... are all fair methods.

OB Kenobi
05-16-2004, 12:14 AM
took the words out of my mouth kilgor.

People dont realize that getting these guys to squal can save lives. Both in Iraq and her ein America. I dont see the usefulness of the ****** acts- i just find that disgusting and crude. And it seems to be the twisted fetish of a few misguided and corrupt reservists. But i think sleep deprivation, loud rock music, bright lights, sitting in uncomfortable positions, changes in hot and cold, ect... are all fair methods.

What if they're innocent?

budanski
05-16-2004, 03:05 AM
Charles Krauthammer said it best... (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/193065p-166837c.html)

"Where was it in 1993, when Attorney General Janet Reno ordered the attack on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Tex., that ended in the deaths of 76 people? Reno went to Capitol Hill and said, "It was my decision, and I take responsibility." This was met with approving swoons and applause. Was she made to resign? No. And remember: This was over an action that did not just happen on her watch but that she ordered - an action that resulted in the deaths of, among others, more than 20 children."