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Desk Jockey
10-28-2007, 03:02 AM
For other reasons I was looking into certain events that occurred in Turkey in the late 1950's and early 1960's. I assume with this forum that everything has already been posted but found this an interesting read of which I had never heard about. note: article is circa 1997



Nearly forty years on, the Government is still refusing to admit the RAF's involvement with the revolutionary long-winged spy plane which, before the age of satellites, was used to photograph Soviet missile sites by daringly flying right across the country. Ministry of Defence files on the controversial CIA operations are being withheld from the Public Records Office in Kew and, remarkably, the British refusal is preventing the publication of the CIA's own history of the controversial project. Asked about the RAF's involvement with the U2 saga late last week, the MoD would only say: "The MoD is not in a position to make any comment on the operation of U2 aircraft by the US Government." It is indeed generally believed that only Americans flew the CIA U2s, but in fact four RAF pilots - Squadron Leader Robert Robinson and Flight- Lieutenants Michael Bradley, David Dowling and John MacArthur - were attached to the CIA to fly the aircraft, and were awarded the Air Force Cross for doing so.

But their citations in the London Gazette (27 December 1960 and 29 December 1961) make no mention of their provocative but courageous spying missions. The RAF men made several flights, each personally approved by the then Prime Minister Harold Macmillan, across Soviet Russia to photograph rocket sites. The exact number is still a closely guarded secret. The leader of the RAF U2 detachment, Wing Commander (as he became) Robert Robinson, spoke of his role before he died last year. He told me: "In 1958 this was the most secret operation in the world and the British involvement most secret of all." Robinson was paid through a secret MI6 bank account. The U2 project had been approved in 1954 by President Eisenhower to overcome severe difficulties obtaining intelligence from behind the Iron Curtain. In effect a jet-engined glider loaded with cameras, the U2 could fly at an unprecedented 70,000 feet. The first missions were flown from Germany in early July 1956. Then security concerns led to further missions being flown from Turkey, Pakistan or Japan. But by 1958 Eisenhower was worried that the U2 would sour US-USSR relations and it was becoming difficult for the CIA to get his permission for overflights of the USSR. Richard Bissell, CIA officer in charge, suggested bringing the British into the programme to increase the number of overflights. "My theory was to set up a system whereby there would be another chief of state who could give consent, namely the British Prime Minister. So I approached the RAF, and needless to say, they were eager to be in on the act," he said later. Harold Macmillan agreed the plan, and four RAF officers were selected and sent to Laughlin Air Force Base in Del Rio, Texas, for training in May 1958. They were Squadron Leader Christopher Walker, along with Bradley, Dowling and MacArthur. On 8 July 1958, Sq Ldr Walker was killed when his U2 crashed near Wayside, Texas. In his place Sq Ldr Robert Robinson was brought into the project. After extensive training Robinson was sent to Incirlik Air Force Base in Turkey in January 1959 where the CIA's U2 "Detachment B" was based. This consisted of four aircraft, seven US "civilian" pilots and about 200 support personnel from the CIA.

The official cover story for the British was that they were temporary employees of the Meteorological Office in London. The U2's ability to fly so high protected it from Soviet aircraft. The RAF pilots regularly flew over the Middle East and other trouble spots. Occasionally they flew over the Soviet Union despite attempts to shoot them down. Robinson told me: "You were always looking behind, and you would see many, many aircraft all lined up below you but with the inability to reach you." How many Soviet overflights did the British undertake? This is one area where Robinson remained coy. In the autumn of 1995 the CIA finally declassified the number of U2 overflights of the USSR - 24. The number of overflights flown by the British remains a secret, but it is between two and four - all personally approved by the Prime Minister. In 1959 Sq Ldr Robinson flew over two Soviet rocket testing sites. Fl Lt MacArthur flew another overflight in early 1960. The U2 project made headline news across the world when Gary Powers' plane was shot down over Sverdlovsk in the USSR with a SAM-2 missile on May Day 1960. As Eisenhower suspected, a storm was unleashed and Nikita Kruschev, the Soviet leader, cancelled his summit with the Americans. Robinson warned the US detachment commander that May Day was not a good day to fly over the USSR. "There'd be a maximum alert and it was a very dangerous thing to do, highly provocative, as it turned out. It was getting very close to Moscow and I would think they were very nervous. They knew that something was happening and clearly the order was given it must be destroyed." After three days of uncertainty the news that Powers had been captured meant the British unit quickly packing up and leaving Turkey. "As soon as it was known that he'd been captured the pilots left immediately.

This was really to save the embarrassment with the Turkish government because they didn't know we were there anyway and it was best we left," said Robinson. The British detachment was instructed to "vanish" until things died down. Robinson went to Spain for some months. Later, a limited version of the CIA's U2 programme was resuscitated, although there were to be no permanent overseas units and there were no overflights of the Soviet Union. British involvement continued. In 1961 another two RAF pilots, Sq Ldr Ivan "Chunky" Webster and Fl Lt Charles Taylor, joined the CIA programme. They were replaced in 1964 by Sq Ldr Basil Dodd and Fl Lt Martin Bee. However, Webster lobbied to stay in the U2 programme and resigned from the RAF to be hired by the Lockheed Corporation to continue flying the U2. Other RAF officers flew U2s before British involvement in the project ended in the late 1960s. Wing Commander Robinson has been the only RAF pilot to speak of his experience. It is hard to understand why, given his testimony and the CIA's openness about the U2, as well as the ending of the Cold War - but the MOD will not release its files on the subject


Rip Sqaudron Leader Walker

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19970126/ai_n9646097

nemowork
10-28-2007, 11:20 AM
learn something new every day,i always thought it was an entirely American deal in the early days?

Guess not!

buzzie
10-28-2007, 12:49 PM
something new everyday indeed.
oth, the involvement of the Black Cat Squadron of Republic of China (Taiwan) Air Force is a well known fact. A few of the U-2s got shotdown and the wreckages are on display in mainland China. See airliners.net for the pictures and see this link for the first person account of the story. http://area51specialprojects.com/u2-pao.html

Best
PS: is there a museum that displays a U-2 here in the US?

Desk Jockey
10-28-2007, 01:34 PM
PS: is there a museum that displays a U-2 here in the US?

Yes, Smithsonian, DC.


The Air and Space Museum's aircraft is a U-2C painted in camouflage colors for a special Air Force project.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6421/u2tx5.jpg

OldRecon
10-28-2007, 04:41 PM
This was written about publicly at least as far back as 1996 in the following book:

Lashmar Paul. - Spy flights of the cold war. - Stroud : Alan Sutton Publ., 1996. - ISBN: 0 7509 1183 2.

Prior to the U-2 Programme RAF personel also did recce overflights in US RB-45 C Tornadoes and English Electric Canberra's according to same source.
If I'm not wrong there was also made a TV-documentary based on at least in part the same book.
The reason for RAF's involvement in the U-2 project origined in the reluctance of pres. Eisenhower in sanctioning overflights of Soviet territory involving US personel.

Desk Jockey
10-28-2007, 06:10 PM
Old Recon yeah spot on all this was info that was a surprise CIRCA 1997. But still never popped on my grid until now. By accident. Speaking of musuem exhibits, the Russia one has the needle for U-2 pilots to commit suicide rather than be captured. I don't know if this was valid or propaganda.

intrinsic
10-29-2007, 03:57 AM
Were the RAF pilots flying the U2 because it has something to do with the original U2 being a somewhat modified Canberra?
Intrinsic
Per Ardua

Royal
10-29-2007, 08:42 AM
Old Recon yeah spot on all this was info that was a surprise CIRCA 1997. But still never popped on my grid until now. By accident. Speaking of musuem exhibits, the Russia one has the needle for U-2 pilots to commit suicide rather than be captured. I don't know if this was valid or propaganda.

The engine of the one shot down over Cuba during the missile crisis is on display in Havana.

OldRecon
10-29-2007, 11:18 AM
Were the RAF pilots flying the U2 because it has something to do with the original U2 being a somewhat modified Canberra?
Intrinsic
Per Ardua

Your confusing the U2 with the high altitude extended wingspan versions of the Canberra made by the Martin corporation in the US.
Namely the models Martin RB-57D and RB-57H.
The U-2 is a totaly different aircraft altogether.

Desk Jockey
10-29-2007, 11:40 AM
Were the RAF pilots flying the U2 because it has something to do with the original U2 being a somewhat modified Canberra?
Intrinsic
Per Ardua



Richard Bissell, CIA officer in charge, suggested bringing the British into the programme to increase the number of overflights. "My theory was to set up a system whereby there would be another chief of state who could give consent, namely the British Prime Minister.


Seemed more political ie. having another Chief of State on the hook, kind of like not going it alone.

csqnsas
10-31-2007, 06:55 PM
Trie Google but not found and picture out there.

Subsonic
10-31-2007, 08:23 PM
Old Recon yeah spot on all this was info that was a surprise CIRCA 1997. But still never popped on my grid until now. By accident. Speaking of musuem exhibits, the Russia one has the needle for U-2 pilots to commit suicide rather than be captured. I don't know if this was valid or propaganda.

It's true.

I read somewhere that the U2 had a button which the pilot was supposed to hit just before he had to eject. The button triggered a timebomb which would destroy sensitive camera equipment. Apparently, the US authorities were rather upset with Gary Powers that he forgot to hit it before he ejected. Mind you he probably figured it wasn't really on a timer. :)

the_tartanterror
11-04-2007, 09:44 AM
Regarding the RAF U-2 Pilots, i have some information on the names of those RAF Pilots checked out at Area51 on the U-2.

This information was given to me by one of the original USA/CIA Test Pilots on the U-2 prior to his passing last year.

Names and dates of check out
John W.McArthur 3 Jun 1958
David E.Dowling 4 Jun 1958
Michael G.Bradley 10 Jun 1958
Christopher H.Walker 12 Jun 1958 Killed in Crash of U-2 9 Jul 1958
Robert T.Robinson 29 Sep 1958
Ivan B.Webster 9 Mar 1961
Charles Taylor 13 Mar 1961
Martin E.Bee 10 Jun 1964
Basil W.Dodd 19 Jun 1964
Richard Cloke 1967
Harry Drew 1967

If anyone knows/knew any of these men, would be interested to hear from them.
Regds
The TT

VIProds
02-24-2009, 02:36 PM
It's true.

I read somewhere that the U2 had a button which the pilot was supposed to hit just before he had to eject. The button triggered a timebomb which would destroy sensitive camera equipment. Apparently, the US authorities were rather upset with Gary Powers that he forgot to hit it before he ejected. Mind you he probably figured it wasn't really on a timer. :)

Quite right Subsonic, The delay was set for about 3 seconds. They told Powers & the other U-2 Pilots that it was set for 20 seconds to allow them to get away from the aircraft, so you get rid of the cameras, secret black boxes & don't have to worry about the Pilot breaking down under torture. Powers was blown out of the cockpit & was only attached to the aircraft by his oxygen mask hose. He trired to climb back into the cockpit to hit the "Destruct" button but couldn't. the hose then snapped & he safely parrachuted to the ground. Unfortunatelly, the U-2 crashed to the ground almost in tact. When the CIA learned that he had survived, they immediatly told the RAF U-2 pilots that were stationed in Turkey to dissapear for a while as the Turkish Government were unaware of their presence.

Correct OldRecon, when Martin were building the Canrerras under License from English Electric, Richard Bissell who was the head CIA officer on the project had Martin investigate the possibility of elongating the wing in the hope that they could fly higher than 45,000ft. Bissell on one of his visits to the UK mentioned this to the English Electric boffins. They felt that their wing could not be improved on, so installed more powerful Rolls Royce engines in three Canberras (PR-7's) & found to their astonishment that they could reach an altitude of 65,000ft !! This was only 5,000ft lower than the U-2's maximum ceiling, which hadn't flown at this time. It was a PR-7 that flew a mission just South East of Kiev to take photos of two missile construction sites.

As Desk Jockey quoted, the RAF started overflights in Beoing B52's with the permission of the British Prime Minister. When the first US jet bombers were released for service (RB45) they painted up four of them in RAF roundals & colours. A flight of RAF Pilots, Co-Pilots & Navigators were trained up by Col. Sam Mayers. At the time, there was such bad feeling between the Russians towards the US that they felt that if an RAF crew were "downed" over Russian territory, then there wouldn't be such an International incident.

Midav
02-24-2009, 02:42 PM
learn something new every day

x2

On a similar note, didn't Taiwanese pilots fly U2's over China?

timetraveller
02-28-2009, 12:50 PM
The engine of the one shot down over Cuba during the missile crisis is on display in Havana.

Like the B52 in Hanoi