Flashlights, head lamps, torches etc

[wingman]

Can anyone tell me the manufacturer of the torches that are seen attached to the RIS of US troops in Iraq?

I'm not sure how to link to a pic in here and its hard to describe, but I think it might be a issue item as I see it frequently attached in pictures I've seen.

Thanks.

[Solo]

Most likely, Surefire.
www.surefire.com

Lots of different models there, pretty sure you'll find the one you're looking for

[dangerdan87]

Most likely, Surefire.
www.surefire.com

And/or Pentagon lights. I'm at school ATM, so I dont have the link.

[Icarus1]

Again I need the professional opinions of the gun-pros on mp.net

Again I am comparing two fine products:

The Surefire X200 LED
http://www.centuriontactical.com/images/surefire/x200.jpg
The X200 features aluminum body construction and a special computer engineered Total Internal Refection (TIR) focusing lens for a tight diamond-shaped central beam and a broad peripheral corona. The special lens allows the X200 to project a tightly focused beam at greater distances than comparably sized lights. The window is constructed of tempered Pyrex® and has an anti-reflective coating. The X200 is designed to fit both the Universal Standard rail as well as the MIL STD M-1913 (Picatinny) rail, and includes adapter plates for both. A momentary toggle/push switch allows fail-safe ambidextrous function under fire.
The X200 also features digital current regulation circuitry to match the LED's current requirements with the battery's output to maintain a more consistent level of light output for the useable life of the batteries (as opposed to unregulated lights, which are subject to a steady decline in light intensity beginning shortly after activation). The X200 produces over an hour of tactical light output followed by 30 minutes of declining intensity light.

FEATURES:

* Batteries - Two SureFire lithium SF123 3.0 Volt with 10-year shelf life
* 1.34" high by 1.43" wide by 3.47" long
* Weighs less than 4 ounces
* Direct mounts to all rail-equipped Glocks and other popular handguns including Beretta, SIG, Springfield and Kimber
* Instantly attaches and detaches
* Extended runtime
* Includes rail interface kit for conversion to Picatinny rail
* Superior smoke-cutting ability
* Accepts optional pressure-activated switch that extends under trigger guard. Pressure-pad tape switch for long guns coming soon.
* MilSpec Type III hard-anodized aluminum construction
* Waterproof to 30m/99ft
* Ambidextrous momentary and constant-on switch
* Flawless beam, always in focus
* Bright enough to momentarily blind an opponent

and the Streamlight M3X
http://www.centuriontactical.com/images/streamlight/m3x-web.jpg
Streamlight M3X Tactical Light offers a peak output of 125 lumens and a minimum run time of one full hour. The Shock Suppression System™ built into the new X-Series protects the xenon-filled incandescent lamp from the abuse of recoil and impact.

The enhanced MIL-SPEC design allows the airtight X-Series to be exposed to the world's harshest environments. The patented Slide-Lock™ interface allows instant, tool-free mounting and removal from any tactical pistol or shoulder fired weapon equipped with rails or a rail adapter. Our Rail-Grabber™ interface provides an even higher level of accuracy and reliability.

* Pistol 3.4"L x 1.6" W x 1.6" H
* Long gun 3.6"L x 1.6" W x 1.6" H
* Pistol 3.9 ounces (with battery)
* Long gun 4.3 ounces (with battery)
* Waterproof 66 Ft. for 2 hours
* Run Time Minimum 60 minutes continuous
* Peak Output 125 lumens
* Range 30 meters
* Lamp Type Incandescent, xenon-filled
* Battery Type (2) lithium 123, 10-year shelf life
* Volts 6 DC
* Temp. Range -32°C to +65°



--- What are the pros and cons of these systems?
--- What about the handling of both systems?
--- How they compare to each other mounted on
a) handgun
b) rifle

Thanks for your advice.

[sergey31]

Surefire x200 is better.

LED= Never breaks or burns out. (one of the most powerful LED light out there).

When batteries go out it goes out slow not all of a sudden and your in the dark.

I own X200A and really like this light, It's on my FiveSeven.

[TacoDelRio]

X200 hands down.

The Streamlight is a good light. Lots of teams use them hard, and they keep working.

HOWEVER... :)

The Surefire is brighter, has a better concentrated beam, uses an LED light (longer battery life with brighter light), and is made of aluminum (pwns plastic).

I've sold a ton of them, gotta love 'em. Only problem I've ever seen is the plastic battery-door snap at the rear broke off the early ones, first months they came out. I think the new ones are of a better design.

[crinkler]

Is their any other option when surefire is involved? Hell no, surefire hands down.

[crinkler]

It's on my FiveSeven.
Let me drool :p

Can't bring myself to buy one. They sure are the sexy.

[Tracker 23A]

X200 for sure, however this spring/summer, Surefire will be releasing their new X300.

[Seraphim]

I plan to get the X200...havent decided if I want the A or B model. I have a Surefire Nitrolon weapon light, it crapped out under 150rounds.

[Seraphim]

X200 for sure, however this spring/summer, Surefire will be releasing their new X300.

Nice, do you have anymore info?

[Corinthian]

What about the SF X300 ?

[Tracker 23A]

the Surefire X300 will have a better light with an additional visible laser.

[Airborneranger4israel]

does anyone know where u can get a Surefire U2 ultra cheap ,by chea i mean under $100

[Durandal]

So how many of you people (not LE or MIL) actually use these things?

Never saw the need to spend such an outrageous amount of money on something that should cost about 50.00 USD and id more of an annoyance than a help on the end of your gun...

[ABNINF]

That's why I only spent $60 for my Surefire and mount, cause I'm too cheap to spend anymore than that, for something that has limited uses.

[Seraphim]

Is their any other option when surefire is involved? Hell no, surefire hands down.

PentagonLight is a good option.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Surefire all the way, my mate bought me one for Christmas a few years ago and after knocking around my car, pocket and work gear its still mint.

[sergey31]

So how many of you people (not LE or MIL) actually use these things?

Never saw the need to spend such an outrageous amount of money on something that should cost about 50.00 USD and id more of an annoyance than a help on the end of your gun...

I'm not LE or Military but I had one on my Glock a while back and I used it for my job (security). Especially working night shift and PD is unavailable (tied up with their own business) and you need with your partner to check building that was/is unsecured/broken in-to .
Weapon lights are one of the best tools one can have while carrying a firearm for a living.

Good holster for a gun with light attached

[sergey31]

I would like to ad that many gun owners keep loaded handguns in their homes for personal/family protection. Most of the time stuff like break ins happen at night and that is where a good light comes in very handy. Noting beats weapon mounted light, it's already there with your weapon so there is no need to manipulate your hands with extra work.

[Seraphim]

I would like to ad that many gun owners keep loaded handguns in their homes for personal/family protection. Most of the time stuff like break ins happen at night and that is where a good light comes in very handy. Noting beats weapon mounted light, it's already there with your weapon so there is no need to manipulate your hands with extra work.

I rather have both.

[Durandal]

I would like to ad that many gun owners keep loaded handguns in their homes for personal/family protection. Most of the time stuff like break ins happen at night and that is where a good light comes in very handy. Noting beats weapon mounted light, it's already there with your weapon so there is no need to manipulate your hands with extra work.

Actually, most break-ins happen at day.

That being said, if it did happen at night, I would rather be able to illuminate something without having to point the gun at it.

[sergey31]

Actually, most break-ins happen at day.

That being said, if it did happen at night, I would rather be able to illuminate something without having to point the gun at it.

1) Non violent planed break-ins.. Yes.

2) The ones that can/will result into violence happen at night since those breaks-ins usually are the result of desperation. There is little or no planning at all.... Day burglaries however are for the most part planned and it's most likely someone that knows you.

3) Certain people with certain issues sleep all day and do their business at night.
For most part violence and murder happens from late evening to early morning hours. All the drug addicts, prostitution, drive by's, burglaries, robberies, rape, etc, etc usually attributed to the dark hours
(especially on the full moon, don't know why)

4) You can illuminate anything you wish with your gun and NOT discharge the weapon if you keep the finger off the trigger, but then again you should not be walking around & checking the place with finger on the trigger to begin with.

[Durandal]

4) You can illuminate anything you wish with your gun and NOT discharge the weapon if you keep the finger off the trigger, but then again you should not be walking around & checking the place with finger on the trigger to begin with.

Ok, I'll concede those other points, except this one.

Have you ever point a gun at your daughter's face, just to see if she is ok, because the only light source is on the gun?

Screw the "my finger IS my safety" BS.

That's not we are talking about. We are talking about reality of a home and family and defending them.

How do you think yours or someone else's daughter or wife would react, regardless of whether your finger is on the trigger or not.

[sergey31]

Ok, I'll concede those other points, except this one.

Have you ever point a gun at your daughter's face, just to see if she is ok, because the only light source is on the gun?

Don't have kids.... If you're asleep suddenly awaken and hear unusual noise in the house that you feel that something is not right, there's not much room in comfort department, especially having your BOTH hands tied up with a gun and a flashlight. What if you need to open doors, move things with your other hand, etc etc......


Screw the "my finger IS my safety" BS.

That's not we are talking about. We are talking about reality of a home and family and defending them.

No, that is exactly what were are talking about.
Your finger is actually your safety. It all comes down to it..... Or one can kill someone accidentally "period"
I've yet to hear or read of anyone getting shot while the shooter had his finger OFF the trigger.
Judging from you opinion I'm assuming you never operated handgun mounted flashlight, it's one finger/hand operation and you operate it by having FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER and on the lever.


How do you think yours or someone else's daughter or wife would react, regardless of whether your finger is on the trigger or not.

If it would happen in my case (example) they would know before hand that I know what I'm doing with the gun, I would tell them what will happen if someone breaks in the house at night and what my and their procedures would be......
But if there was a break-in and "someone" was in the house, Trust me there are bigger things to worry about then me with a handgun mounted flashlight... pointing at whoever, then again I know my family and even in the dark I can recognize them and would NOT even point regular flashlight at their face- last thing I want to do is destroy their night vision.
I know what or who to illuminate with a handgun flashlight. I had competed classes on this (job requirement) and for the most part you can and will use your handgun mounted flashlight to blind the suspect at the certain point and not have it ON before he sees you.
Police officers who do building searches and split up to cover areas, Do they illuminate each other while performing a search? Same principle applies to anyone else. You need to communicate as well if you suddenly see suspect figure in the dark.

[Durandal]

Don't have kids....

Police officers who do building searches and split up to cover areas, Do they illuminate each other while performing a search? Same principle applies to anyone else. You need to communicate as well if you suddenly see suspect figure in the dark.

I think you are making the whole deal a little too cut and dry. You admit you do not have children. I know my fiancee and what her mindset would be in such a situation. To simply say, this is how things are going to be with no deviation is a pretty big assumption, especially when children and a wife whose main concern is THEIR safety, not hers or mine. What do you do if panic sets in regardless of how much you drill it into them?

I am NOT criticizing YOUR personal choice and I did ask for opinions on the matter. For me its a personal choice not to worry about the light. The flashlight is simply something that gets in the way, an annoyance, and more weight (even if a negligible amount if a higher end light were purchased). After all, I live in a built up, urban environment with plenty of ambient night time light. At night I would never need to actually use a light to move around the home. I would probably be more at an advantage than the perp.

With that said, this is not really a LE discussion. None of my LE friends have a lit sidearm, be it issue or personal. I know its a VERY small sampling of ALL of the LE out there, but that is my personal experience.

Ultimately, I think its sort of like the KISS principle. Keep it simple, regardless of whether its home defense or shooting at the range. The less gadgets, gizmos, and gimmicks, the better, and if you train/practice in that fashion, you are better for it.

Keep it simple, basic, and mundane.

But, that is MY opinion, not necessarily shared by nor valid for others. :)

[sergey31]

Whatever you feel comfortable with..... As a matter of fact I used to think like you regarding weapon mounted flashlights, but after training/use of one I think it's second best tool. No wonder why the business skyrocketed and today you can pretty much can find as many choices as you desire.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the only light it gun-light one should/could use. I carry traditional Stinger flashlight besides my Surefire X200. There are more times where drawing weapon is not appropriate nor needed. As I stated earlier, handgun mounted lights are mainly used to destroy suspects night vision and not only for illuminating purpose.
There's lights that light up entire room instead of a beam/spot, Surefire X200B is pretty good and designed for that.

Many LE agencies would like to equip their officers but it's easier done then said... It takes $$$ for lights/holsters/training/misc stuff, so some just don't have enough funding or even enough justification for it.

[StukaJr]

In defensive shooting situation, it is taught to hold the flashlight away from the body and at an off angle - so if the intruder is the first to open fire, he/she has a harder time identifying the target from the flashlight's position. That being said, I imagine that point becomes mundane if the light is mounted on the weapon - however, both options have their advantages and sacrifices.

I remember seeing a product somewhere, that would attach an alumnium lip to any SureFire flashlight, so it could be wielded as individual flashlight or become a weapon light in a Double Handed hold on the weapon - I forget the name, but it was called Handtorch or similar?

With that said, I have a Fullframe Automatic in a combination lockcase in my computer table, with a spare magazine and a Surefire 6P in twin pouch on the springloaded door - I got it as a security messure when it was my only gun and big fat placebo now, since I sleep like a sack of 'taters.

[sergey31]

In defensive shooting situation, it is taught to hold the flashlight away from the body and at an off angle - so if the intruder is the first to open fire, he/she has a harder time identifying the target from the flashlight's position. .
Not a very good idea to fire handgun in a stressful situation with one hand. If you blind him with a powerful light, he would not be able to aim at the light unless of course you use cheap AA mag light.


That being said, I imagine that point becomes mundane if the light is mounted on the weapon - however, both options have their advantages and sacrifices
If intruder fires first you might not be so lucky regardless on how far away and at a angle you hold your flashlight.
Try harder at any situation so the suspect does not open fire first.
There are things to watch out and signs that will give away his motives/intention.

[XxDrAg0nxX]

I have personally tried the Surefire X200 before, yes, its definately better than the Streamlight as its LED and indestructable and all, but be VERY careful when opening the battery compartment, as the clip is VERY thin and small. (I almost broke it :roll: hehe)

Speaking of LED defensive lights, would the Blackhawk Night-ops with its strobe function be a good choice? I have tried it before... must say im very impressed with it, as it does to a certain extent 'confuses' the enemy from properly judging the distance between you and him. However though the light is 'larger' in terms of size as compared to similar LED lights.

[Maresciallo]

http://www.centuriontactical.com/images/streamlight/m3x-web.jpg

It is made by Insight technologies, I think it is better than Surefire.

[Mountain Man]

While I don't have a Surefire X200 I can tell you that I am on my third Streamlight (issued gear, not third one I've bought). My experience is that they are junk. The tailswitches on the things break like crazy. My Tac Team all uses the Streamlight and most of us have had problems with them. If you are going to use the light on a regular basis spend the money and get the Surefire.

[CQB_Operator]

I got the insight M3x on my duty pistol (Glock 17), I think it's a good light, very powerfull easy to switch on/off. the downsides are

1) The switch are subject to faulty connection (it happens sometimes (to me and to my partner), I switched on and... nothing happens, if I switch on/off a couple of time the light come back) we sent it back to the dealer and after a check the light came back but it still happens sometimes.

2) The batteries last maximum 50-60 minutes ( the PD policy is you receive 6 batteries for the year, the extra ones are at your cost=>because of some assholes who played with the lights and asked fresh batteries every week:fork: )

I've tried the X200A and the X200B, also very good lights. (But I prefer the beam of the X200B, better for house searchp-) )

The advantage of the LED is more lighting time and it's a Surefire, you can't go wrong if you buy a Surefire

[akmarksman]

Having worked "on the job" and "off"..(military,PD and then civilian(with a CC permit)..I prefer the Surefires..The runtime listed is almost right on the nose.

I have a 1911 Kimber with a X200 and a Surefire 6P with a P61 lamp(120 lumens)..I never walk around the house with the weaponlight on..I sometimes strobe the area or I scan it with the 6P clicked on.
I always have the gun in the holster until I know I need to bring it out..and I never stand in the middle of the doorway...training and common sense.

[JustYourAverageJoe]

I need some help on picking out a personal flaslight and thought I could get some help here. Im pretty confused between Xenon and LEDs, not about what they are but the advantages and disadvantages of the two. My requirements are that it be waterproof, be able to cut through smoke and palm sized or a hair larger. Basically it need to fit in a daypack and not take up too much space.

Thanks

[eggroll]

Inova X5
or
Surefire E2E

[Creeper]

I think you may need to re-adjust your requiremnts: cut through smoke? from a forest fire or camp fire ? Thats in it self can costly both in $$$ and size/weight. Check out:http://actiongear.com or http://rei.com
cheers

[Royal]

Surefire E2E

Seconded...

[ogukuo72]

Surefire lights are the top of the line. But for ordinary joes, it's too expensive. Many professionals use brands that are nearly as good, but not nearly as expensive.

Try the Pelican torches. They offer good value for money. They can cost as little as 60SGD (about 30USD, I think).

One favourite model of mine is the Sabrelite. It fits your requirement. It's palm sized (14.5cm 2C; 20cm 3C). It's watertight to 150m. I can testify from personal experience that it can take a lot of hard knocks. Its light definitely carry a good distance. It comes in a black or bright yellow model, depending on whether you're using it for rescue work or something else.

Between Xenon and LED, if you want to light up objects at longer distance - particularly in smoke filled rooms or underwater, use Xenon.

If you just need something to light up the immediate area, such as to look for something in your glove compartment, to light up a person's face, or just to check his ID, then white LED is better.

Pelican offers a good LED light, the L1 LED light. It's small enough to clip in your shirt pocket next to your pen, and bright enough to lit up a room, but not so glaring as to make it impolite to shine it into someone's face.

[Steve Andrews]

In my experience "smoke-cutting beams" are a myth.

I favour the robustness and pretty much indefinate bulb life of LEDs.

How much do you want to spend? How waterproof do you want it..Dunk proof? Dive rated?
Do you want long run time or big throw?

Depending on your requirements have a look at the:

Streamlight 4AA Luxeon.
http://www.flashlightreviews.com/reviews/streamlight_propolyluxeon.htm

Fenix L1P
http://www.flashlightreviews.com/reviews/fenix_l1p.htm

Surefire L4
http://www.flashlightreviews.com/reviews/surefire_l4.htm

Underwater Kinetics 4AA eLED
http://www.flashlightreviews.com/reviews/uk_zoom.htm

or the incandescent bulbed Surefire G2
http://www.flashlightreviews.com/reviews/surefire_g2.htm

[percell_086]

I wear either my Inova, My surfire G2 or my surefire E2. All of them are very good!

[akmarksman]

Surefire G2:
Length:4.9"'
Weight: 4.1oz.
comes in 4 colors.
$36.
Uses 2x 123 lithium batteries.
Comes standard with a P60 bulb which gives you 65 lumens for an hour.
You can upgrade to a higher output lamp assembly,but the run time cuts down to 20 minutes for the high output bulb.
Various kinds of holsters(Myself I use a Kydex horizontal belt carry)
You can convert it to rechargable.
Twist clockwise to turn on,counter clockwise to turn off. Twist 1 ½x counterclockwise to lock out to prevent it from being turned on while in a pocket or storage.
The ability to change the tailcap to a click on style.(press in slightly for momentary,press until click for constant on)
Different kinds of filters.(Infrared,Blue,Red,Beamshaper©(wider area)
You can mount it to a firearm with the use of a scope ring(30mm i think),and the lamp/bulb is shock proof(the P60 lamp can be used in a Surefire dedicated forend for a 12G shotgun.)

http://www.surefire.com/surefire/content/g2_tn_thumb.jpg (http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_disp/displ/prrfnbr/878/sesent/00)
http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/max_segment_listing/disp/strfnbr/6/sesent/images/spacer.gif

http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/max_segment_listing/disp/strfnbr/6/sesent/images/spacer.gif

[Buckeye67]

I'll 2nd (or 3rd) the recommendation for a Surefire G2. For the money (around $30) it's a tough one to beat. I've had mine for well over a year now and love it. It's basically a polymer-cased 6P. Great flashlight and a great value.

[onefast93z28]

I carry a Surefire G2 as my duty light. I carried one of those immitation brands till I saw a Surefire 6P used on a 2am warrent service. Absolutly lighted up the house while myself and the other guys were barely lighting up a 20 foot area.

[AlexNenadic]

Surefire E2E, but without the "clickie" tailcap. The damn thing failed in less than a month so I went back to using the standard one.

[Royal]

Surefire E2E, but without the "clickie" tailcap. The damn thing failed in less than a month so I went back to using the standard one.

Never had a problem (or known of one) with mine since I was issued it in 2003. What happened Alex?

[JustYourAverageJoe]

Wow lots of choices thats for sure and I'll reseach them all. I do have a Pelican that Im happy with but will be getting a second flashlight. Thanks for all of your help guys.

[BadKarma26]

i was reading Infantry Bugler the other day and there was some add for this reall y cool flashlight. I can't remember the name of it. Any other infantryman read that mag?

[HoboWithAK]

i was reading Infantry Bugler the other day and there was some add for this reall y cool flashlight. I can't remember the name of it. Any other infantryman read that mag?

Gladius by Blackhawk's Night-Ops? I hear that flashlight is the cat's meow, really high quality stuff.

[BadKarma26]

Gladius by Blackhawk's Night-Ops? I hear that flashlight is the cat's meow, really high quality stuff.

thats the one

[Helly]

Another manufacturer making excellent flashlights is PentagonLight (http://www.pentagonlight.com). I've held a friend's X2 (http://www.pentagonlight.com/item_detail.cfm__id.315) before and the quality is outstanding, comparable to SureFire but at a much lower price point. One big advantage over the SureFire E2E/E2D/C2 flashlights: the X2's lamp assembly is shock isolated so it can be mounted on a rifle. The cheapest SureFire model with Type III hard anodizing and shock isolation is the M2 Centurion, and it costs nearly $70 more (SRP).

I own a couple of SureFire lights (G2 and E2E), one Streamlight flashlight (TL-2, bang for the buck), and a PentagonLight X2 (or maybe X3) is next on my shopping list. :-)

[ogukuo72]

I wonder if you really need to worry about shock if you're tapping the torch to a rifle like the M16 or a SMG like the MP5. "Shock" doesn't exactly come to mind when I think of the recoil of those guns.

[akmarksman]

the bulb that the pentagon brand uses is the P60..same thing as the $36 G2 Nitrolon..and you could mount that to a M16,MP5,or even a shotgun.

[ogukuo72]

Most expensive is not same as best. Cheaper brands can offer better value for money.

[Steve Andrews]

Never had a problem (or known of one) with mine since I was issued it in 2003. What happened Alex?

The Z57 clicky tailcap is fairly new. If you got your E2E issued in 2003 it will have the Z52 tailcap. On the Z52 the black rubber button is only used for "momentary on". The tailcap is twisted to lock the light on.

On the Z57 the black rubber button can be used to click the light on and off.

[Hawkeye]

Whow those little lamps are really expensive!

I have a Petzl Myo3 I use for hiking, and a very little maglite for reading maps, finding keyholes, etc ...

[Royal]

The Z57 clicky tailcap is fairly new. If you got your E2E issued in 2003 it will have the Z52 tailcap. On the Z52 the black rubber button is only used for "momentary on". The tailcap is twisted to lock the light on.

On the Z57 the black rubber button can be used to click the light on and off.

That's right - it just illuminates when pressed. Never had a problem with it, but I do take the batteries out when storing it and especially when flying. I really like it it's a good general purpose light with loads of illumination for carrying in civvies or in a grab bag.

[AlexNenadic]

Never had a problem (or known of one) with mine since I was issued it in 2003. What happened Alex?

The tailcap you have is probably the "standard" one I referred to. Twist for constant-on, push the button for momentary illumination. The Clickie tailcap doesn't twist, and the black button clicks for constant illumination when pushed all the way down. This mechanism failed very quickly on mine, forcing me to go back to the KISS cap of days past.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

The E2 is my choice, mine has rumbled about in my car, pocket and has been dropped at work more than a few times and the coating seems resistant to the SO2 mix that I work with which does evil things to almost everthing even the keys in my pocket go furry. :)

[kamarian]

I've had a 6P surefire for 2 years now. Had to replace the bulb assembly once. A fantastic light if you need to see or blind everyone in an instant! But i laso carry a quicklite to see up close, writing stuff, ect...

[kayaker]

Never had a problem (or known of one) with mine since I was issued it in 2003. What happened Alex?

RM issues SureFire's? Thats brilliant!

http://www.equipped.org/shot_show_2006_LED_flashlights-5.htm
Scroll nearly all the way down for this year's new Surefire Kroma: interesting for military personnel here... apart from the price of course ;)

[Royal]

RM issues SureFire's? Thats brilliant!

No. The Corps doesn't issue Surefire's. I was issued a Surefire.

[kayaker]

Clear.


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[tunnalrat]

I have a SureFire 6P and being as how I am spending a fortune on batteries for it I am thinking of getting the Rechargeable Conversion Kit for it…but before I go and spend the 100 dollars of so on it, is it worth it? Has any one had experience with them?

Any insights would be very helpful
-Thanks

[Incoherent]

It's worth it if you use your flashlight all the time. The disadvantage is that the NiCD batteries used has a much higher rate of discharge such that it is inadvisable to store the flashlight charged and expect it to be ready for any emergency. You may end up with a discharged battery at the worse time. Also, when the rechargeable battery runs out of juice, it loses power very abruptly, and your flashlight goes from bright to totally useless in a very short time. Lithium batteries are still much more flexible as they have a 10-year shelf life, and can be ready at anytime. Battery prices have also fallen considerably. I think they're available from Surefire at approx $1.25 each.

For $100.00, I'd suggest getting the Surefire E2L flashlight. It is LED, very frugal on batteries (6 hours runtime) and bright too. Or you can purchase 80 lithium batteries from Surefire, that should last awhile..

[Grumpy Bastard]

I completely agree with Incoherrent's assessment. The rechargable system is okay but the LED unit is a better buy.

[Sir Zach of R.]

As a supplement to Incoherrent's post, here's a page from the 2004 Surefire catalog, page 61:


Non-tactical applications for a flashlight far outnumber the relatively few occasions that SureFires are used by a SWAT team to takedown a meth lab. Rechargeable flashlights are not suitable for critical missions, like searching a Baghdad bunker for terrorists, because rechargeable flashlights - regardless of brand - have issues. First, there's the uncertainty of your rechargeable battery's state of charge because of the high rate of self-discharge that's inherent with Ni-Cad batteries. Second, there's the logistical problem of dragging a charger with you instead of a handful of spare lithium batteries. Finally, the potential cost savings of a rechargeable - it's only compelling attribute - is largely lost with Surefire's unconventional pricing of its lithium batteries at only $1.25 each in a dozen count box.

High-energy Surefire lithium battieres, on the other hand, have a 10-year shelf-life, retaining their full power through a decade. That's why military and law enforcement professionals rely on Surefire tactical lights powered by disposable lithium batteries.

Rechargeable batteries only come into their own when the flashlight is used heavilt. Rechargeable batteries need to go through the entire charge/discharge cycle to remain in peak condition. If you only use a rechargeable occasionally, you're not getting the main benefit.

That said, our Advanced Rechargeables Series represents the best rechargeable technology. The charger that replenishes our B90 Ni-Cad battery is not just any charger. We call it a Rapid SmartCharger. Everytime you insert a SureFire battery into the unit, the Rapid SmartCharger runs a diagnostic test on the battery to determine its level of charge. One of the things that hurts the service life of a rechargeable battery is over charging it. SmartCharger determines exactly how much energy is left in the battery and then tops it off with exactly the right amount of current to bring it to full charge. Not too much, not too little, just right.

The Rapid SmartCharger then keeps the battery at full charge by metering a low level of current into the battery constantly something we call a trickle charge. By trickle charging the spare battery -- except for the 10X Dominator, all SureFire Advanced Rechargeables come with two batteries -- you always have a fully charged battery ready to go in the smart charger.

While SureFire's Advanced Rechargeables seem to be some of the most technologically advanced rechargeable flashlights in the world, even SureFire themselves take note of their limitations. Step back and examine exactly how often you would use it, or are you just buying it to say you have one if you need it. If the latter, I'd go with a flashlight from the Executive series, ranging from 15-60 lumens, with a runtime of 75 to 150 minutes respectively.

[kamarian]

I am looking at getting a rechargable conversion, as i use my 6P all the time. Boxes of batteries can cost from $59 to $80 here in Australia. I would like to get the Aviatior model, but its' a little out of my price range at the moment.

[Grumpy Bastard]

I have a 6p converted to rechargeable & a 8AX commander (LED rechargeable) that I use all the time for general work. One sits in the office & the other in the motor where they can be recharged as needed.
As high noted by Incoherent when the battery dies it goes down very rapidly.
For immediate use I carry a KL5 (LED lamp) 6p on my "belt kit" with spare cells. Weightless compared to the old 3 cell maglite anyway. :)

[maw]

i feel your pain. i own several surefire lights i've relegated all my 6p/9p type lights to firearms duty. the only two surefires that i carry regularily are my l2 and my e2d. for everyday carry and miscellaneous tasks the fenix l1 is hard to beat. for the kind of money you're talking you could buy a decent weapons mount for your 6p and a decent rechargeable. my favorite recharchable for under $100 right now is the inova t4. i own a couple, one in the house and one in the truck. if you look around you can pick them up for $70 -/+. you'll be suprised just how much light the t4 puts out.

i ALWAYS have at least an arc or fenix aaa on me. in winter, in the evening or if i'm going downtown (parking structures/elevators, etc) i'll also bring a fenix l1 and typically the l2 and an inova 24x7 with spare batteries in my man purse.

cr123's are cool and all but the main thing i like about them is that i can leave them attached to a handgun/shotgun/rifle for up to ten years and they'll work when i need them.

for an outstanding rechargable edc pocket sized flashlight also check out the orb raw.

[Grumpy Bastard]

Yeah, a colleague of mine swears by his Inova. I also had a Luxeon 3W LED light I got from ebay, pretty good bit of kit but it got "taxed" by another colleague and I've never had the chance to steal it back. It felt slightly light weight compared to a 6p but it never failed and withstood a fair amount of abuse.

[FDF_Hemppis]

Anything even remotely related to lights; your place is http://www.candlepowerforums.com (http://www.candlepowerforums.com/)

"6P/G2 Rechargeable Solution": http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=127715

EDIT: In short: the above system uses a 3.7V lamp assembly made for use with li-ion battery packs. From CPF you can get 2LA's, 3-4 li-ion batteries and a charger for them cheaper than you would pay for the Surefire kit... You can't use R123's with the 3.7V LA, thought. But I consider that as a very small minus.

-Hemppis :)

["Royal-with-Cheese"]

Can anyone tell me what the difference between these two flashlights is?

one is 3V and the other is a 6 Volt... I suppose the 6V (610R) is stronger.

But are the two identical in looks and size?

as far as I can tell from the Pics it's the same thing.

Anyone know more about this? first hand experience?

thanks for the help

[ZoneOne]

this may help

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/opticsplanet/surefire-model-310r-610r-manual.pdf#search=%22surefire%20310r%22

[Kersh]

It looks like the 3V is shorter, and the 6V extends beyond the barrel.

["Royal-with-Cheese"]

thank you zoneone and kersh... i've seen that document a few times and came to the same conclusion.
the 310r is shorter (looks like it)

my big problem is that the store has the description of the 310R but a pic of the long flash light.
i sent them a mail and asked if the two looked identical and i recieved a mail back with the
link to the desired flashlight (the one that shows the long lamp with the 310r description)
they told me to look at the pic... that was the light.

this is rather confusing now and i sure don't want to buy the wrong thing.

you might say i ought to believe what they tell me. but do you think the guy/woman that answers the mails actually
knows what the products really look like, or checked it for me. some how i don't :roll:

[Straker]

Basically purely from a lighting point of view 6v is to my eyes at least a brighter light compared to most 3v systems. (Not just on Surefire's, my job involves low voltage lighting solutions.)

Having said that you really need to think about:
1) What are you going to use it for, what distances do you need the beam to travel? Is it for an "in your house at dark o'clock in the morning type light" or more general purpose?

2) How bothered are you about battery costs, obviously a 3v system using the same number of batteries as a 6v system will last longer (Im not sure they do use the same amount so don't quote me here). Although even a 6V is nothing compared to some of the 9v lights around using CR123's.

Finally generally to anyone, is the barrel of the light protruding past the muzzle a problem?

[Incoherent]

The 6-volt light will hold 2 x 3Volt lithium batteries and will produce 65 lumens of light for approximately 1 hour. The light itself will of course be longer and protrude past the barrel since the batteries are stacked one in front of the other. This is not really an issue, and the bezel can be used as a stand-off device and used for jabbing at very close range without causing the pistol to malfunction. The 3-volt light will only produce 15 lumens of light for the same 1 hour of runtime from a single 3Volt Lithium battery. I suggest you go with the 6-volt system as 15 lumens is somewhat on the dim side for a tactical light, and will not be bright enough to blind. Also, on the plus side, the 6-volt light comes with the P60 Lamp Assy as standard, but you can easily upgrade to the high-output P61 Lamp Assy that produces 120 lumens of light, although at a limited 20-minute runtime. No such upgrade is possible with the 3-volt.

I would also suggest you look into the Surefire X200A LED TacLight. It is much more compact (2 x lithium batteries are side-by-side), the LED is shockproof and offers a much longer runtime. But you will need a rail adapter (also available from Surefire) if your 1911 does not already come with a rail built into the frame.

Feel free to ask me any Surefire questions as I am a distributor. If I don't know the answer, I can always get the correct answer from the manufacturer.

["Royal-with-Cheese"]

thank you very much for the details Incoherent. i appreciate it.

no, my 1911 does not have a rail. And that is one reason why i was looking for this particular lamp.

I also would like this lamp a lot because i think it looks good (people might debate about whether or not that's a reason to pick this one).

I guess the other surefire lamps with a rail mount would be an option too...
some people would also call it better because it can be detached faster.
however it would require one of those after market mountable rails
and the gun wouldn't fit into a kydex holster anyway... so it's more of a permanent choice anyway.

the store i ordered my 610R at said that Surefire no longer has it in production. Is that true?
they did offer me the 310R... is that one still in production?
and more importantly can you upgrade it to a 610R?
All you really need is a 6V lamp housing and a P60 6V lamp/reflector (according to the link in ZoneOne's post)

[Incoherent]

Let me double check with Surefire. The 610R is still in my 2006 price list but no longer featured in this year's catalogue. Upgrading from 3-volts to 6-volts will require either a P60 or P61 lamp assy, and an L60 6-volt lamp module.

["Royal-with-Cheese"]

Thanks for checking.

I suppose you mean these:

http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main.pl?pgm=co_disp&func=displ&strfnbr=6&prrfnbr=374&sesent=0,0&search_id=122265

http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main.pl?pgm=co_disp&func=displ&strfnbr=6&prrfnbr=204&sesent=0,0&search_id=122642

(Hope they're both still in production if the 610R isn't)

[kayaker]

I keep reading on surefire.com that the light can be used as a self defense measure by blinding the attacker, ruining his night vision*. Does anyone here actually know how many lumen you need to induce this?

*with night vision I mean street light adapted vision… not full blown desert darkness.

Can you recommend other, cheaper companies which make torches advertised with this function? Like night lite from BHI, do they mention which are bright enough?

[bluffcove]

You would measure it in candlepower not Amps.
And any sudden change from darkness to light will perform the same function.

[kayaker]

ooops meant lumen....

when is the last time you took out 1.000.000 candles to see something.. how bright is a candle... I find it a strange way of explaining the brightness of a lamp.

and I doubt one candle in the whole darkness will blind you... Im talking about effectivly blinding!

[bluffcove]

Do you smoke?
Light a cigarette at night, the flare that close to your eye blinds you.

[kayaker]

1. in an urban area with ambient light.

2. Not planning to stand that close.

[East Scout]

I used a 1, 000, 000 candle powere light just last night. I sure woulndt want anyone to put that in my eyes in the dark.............

A guy on my old crew had one of those surfires..I was about 20 feet away and he wanted to demo on me the effectivness of this lite..I saw spots for about 30 minutes..I couldnt belive such a small light could put off so much light and mny eyes were focused on low light as we were in a semi urban enviroment.....

Amazing!

ES

[kayaker]

do you know what type it was? then i can find out the lumen..

[East Scout]

No i dont..This was the same cat that stole my passport and other Docs so i cant even ask him..Sorry mate...

ES

[nimer bortuqaal]

Most Surefire torches are 65 lumins - plenty of light for what you're looking for. They also make a 120 lumin lamp as well for the 65 lumin torches.

[ShakesFIST]

You can also get one of Surefires new "Portable Sun" lights they seem to be offering. I'm pretty sure you could make your targets skin peel with one of those beasts.

Note: They arent actually called "Portable Sun"

[nimer bortuqaal]

Ryan, I just read your other post and you're looking for a less expensive torch. I can recomment the G2 Nitrolon by Surefire. They cost under $40US and provide the same 65 lumens for around an hour. If you or your friend purchase one of these lights, make sure you buy a couple extra batteries for it as well. An hour can go by quickly and leave you empty handed when you need your light the most. The short life of the batteries is a fair trade off for the light output. If personal protection wasnt your priorty then I'd look at some of the LED torches out there as their batteries last forever. I hope this helps.

[kayaker]

ES no drama!!

Nimer.. great post. A surefire or less expensive but similar torch (with same qualities) will not be part of my hiking or house power cut kit but as a EDC torch will I would like ot have self defensive properties.

But I **think** surefire also sells LED torches beyond 65 lumen (from what I gathered thats bright enough to blind someone in low light conditions) so I definetly like LED, the diode lasts longer than a ,100 year techonolgy, bulb.

Cheers,
Ryan

[Incoherent]

Yes, those are the parts needed. Don't worry, they'll stay in production. Since the P60 Lamp Assy is common to all 6-volt incandescent flashlights, while the L60 is common to all classic 6-volt weaponlights such as on the MP5 and shotguns. I'll ask about the 610R on Monday if you still need this info.

[nimer bortuqaal]

Ryan, I stand corrected about the LED's. I may have to upgrade soon. A company called GG&G sells attachments for the lights that could help in that personal defense mode. Some Surefire models have similar designs built in.

["Royal-with-Cheese"]

Yes, those are the parts needed. Don't worry, they'll stay in production. Since the P60 Lamp Assy is common to all 6-volt incandescent flashlights, while the L60 is common to all classic 6-volt weaponlights such as on the MP5 and shotguns. I'll ask about the 610R on Monday if you still need this info.

Thank you one more time Incoherent. I'm sorry to bother you again but I've entered one last problem! :bash: :-*$ :backhand: :cantbeli:

The bloody site I was ordering my lamp at decided to wait 4 or 5 weeks to tell me that they couldn't export it!

Now is this some law or just the store I was ordering at? Is there no way for me to get a weaponlight from the states in europe?

Thank you

[Incoherent]

Royal-with-Cheese, I'm sorry for the tardy reply as I have not been able to check messages for awhile.

I'm not sure what the laws in your country are (pls. provide me with your country of residence), but there has been some issues lately as to what can be exported from the United States, and what items can't. Generally, certain items like Surefire rails for military rifles and subguns are now regulated by the US State Dept. But I don't see any problems with weaponlights. Another reason could be that a domestic US dealer technically cannot sell internationally as per agreement with Surefire. I suggest that you check first if you have a distributor in your country.

[militaryminded]

Hey guys i have been lurking around here over the past few months using the site as reference material as i build my scale models but now i have a question. A friend i work with gave me his flash light as repay for a pack of smokes it has all the lens in it two different style of clears and a red, white, blue lens but i didn't get a chance to ask him what the use of each lens would be.

Like when would you use the red, blue, white lens?

Thanks for your help.

[Juusto]

Filters are mainly used for signalling. For example, red is "negative" and green is "positive". Other meanings varies...

[scrybe]

Red lense is primarily used at night for general flashlight purposes, reading a map or following a trail. The red light doesn't take away your night vision as badly as a vivid white light. It's also harder to see from a distance.

Someone else will have to explain the other colors.

[Juusto]

Red lense is primarily used at night for general flashlight purposes, reading a map or following a trail. The red light doesn't take away your night vision as badly as a vivid white light. It's also harder to see from a distance.

Someone else will have to explain the other colors.

Right! I forgot that. My Surefire filter manual says that filters can also be used for improved visibility in smoke and dust. However haven't noticed any difference.

[winchester_down]

Red filters maintain your night vision and are less obvious at long distances as said before.
Used for anything at night BUT not good for reading maps! maps vary but lots have contour lines that range from reddy orange to brown making them invisible in red light.
So blue or green is used.

other than that no idea.

Winchester

[scrybe]

Actually all modern maps have gotten rid of red lines and use red-brown lines. The maps clearly state that they are red light readable.

[winchester_down]

Actually all modern maps have gotten rid of red lines and use red-brown lines. The maps clearly state that they are red light readable.

Cheers man, news to me.

[T.H.E. rooster]

I know that they used to use the different colored filters for different signals during training manuvers. Some lights come with yellow and green filters as well.

[militaryminded]

Wow i guess i asked the right group of people.

Thanks for all the info on this. What would the white lens be for?

[Juusto]

Wow i guess i asked the right group of people.

Thanks for all the info on this. What would the white lens be for?

http://www.totallyautoinc.com/reproparts/NP1lens3.jpg

Like these? Those are diffusors. You can get more wider beam. Great for tent light's and so on.

[militaryminded]

Same color wrong shape these are just plain flat and white. Really doesn't let a lot of light out very dim i have tried it in a dark room and not much unless your on top of something like a map or page in a book. Could it be for black out use maybe?

[tunnalrat]

I am fully ready to be blasted here, but I remember something about the blue filter being used to help pick up blood trails…. has any one else heard any thing like this or am I very wrong?

[Niels]

Many flashlights can accept filters. (Here we are talking about regular incandescent lamp flashlights. The color of the new LED flashlights is set by the particular LED the manufacturer used. The user can not change it.) Some flashlights come with filters; they are sold as accessories for others. So, other than pretty colors, what are they for?

In the wilderness, any light stands out and will be noticed. Color has a lot to do with how easily and how far away the eye will detect the light. There is a spectrum of colors with red at one end, blue at the other, and green in the middle. Red light has the least energy and is the least noticed - there's more of it in nature. Blue light contains higher energy and, since it is uncommon in nature, it is readily noticed. In terms of how little light it takes to be detected, the eye is most sensitive to green.

Use the blue filter for signaling when you WANT to be seen. The orange and especially the red filters are a little less likely to be noticed if that is your wish. The blue filter produces light that is especially noticeable at dusk since the light from the setting sun is very red.

The red filter has another very important function. It allows you to use your flashlight without destroying your natural night vision. Once exposed to bright light, the eye takes about 20 minutes to re-adapt to the dark and become its' most sensitive. To protect your night vision, you want to use the least light possible of any color. Red light will not effect natural night vision nearly as much as the whiter light directly from the flashlight bulb. Thus, red light - and the dimmest possible for the task at hand - will best preserve natural human night vision. The filter does two things. It reduces the total amount of light and allows only red light to get to the eye.

The orange filter is a compromise, more light in exchange for a little loss of dark adaptation. Using the red and the orange together produces the same appearance to the eye but the total light is less and this is sometimes useful.

Red is also preferred for walking or signalling in fog. An incandescent lamp produces white light which is some of all colors including blue. Blue is scattered by fog more than red. Red light travels to an object and back with less scattering, while blue light is scattered and appears as a uniform, featureless glare. Red light performs better in fog than the white light from an unfiltered lamp.

Red is not, however, the best choice for driving in fog. Preserving human night vision is not the major consideration. As a practical matter, an amber filter passes more light from the lamp than a red filter. Also the eye is more sensitive to yellow than red. Amber or yellow produces the maximum light, as judged by the eye, without the glare that the blue in a bare lamp would produce. The amber or yellow filter of a conventional fog light removes the offensive blue wavelengths leaving the most visible colors in the larges quantity.
.............

[digrar]

Really doesn't let a lot of light out very dim i have tried it in a dark room and not much unless your on top of something like a map or page in a book.

Sounds that is what it would be used for, we used to use a solid lens cover with a pin prick to reduce the amount of light getting through for map reading or doing sig work in the field.

[militaryminded]

Wow now i know more then i was thinking i would about this flash light and it's filters.

[ex Strathcona]

Red filters maintain your night vision and are less obvious at long distances as said before.
Used for anything at night BUT not good for reading maps! maps vary but lots have contour lines that range from reddy orange to brown making them invisible in red light.
So blue or green is used.

other than that no idea.

Winchester

we used red lenses but burned pin holes in them so we could still see the red lines on the maps. worked like a charm.

[Apogee]

I am fully ready to be blasted here, but I remember something about the blue filter being used to help pick up blood trails…. has any one else heard any thing like this or am I very wrong?

I've heard the same thing. Not sure if its true or not.

[James]

Black light will show DNA on bedsheets. Saw that on CSI.

[Niels]

Black light will show DNA on bedsheets. Saw that on CSI.
It must be true then.

[lt tahoe]

I am fully ready to be blasted here, but I remember something about the blue filter being used to help pick up blood trails…. has any one else heard any thing like this or am I very wrong?

Yeah, blue light shows blood. Not sure so much about blood _trails_, but if you're treating injuries at night it helps.

[Jippo]

Using flashlight also replaces handsignals in the dark. Green, red & white signals are used in my army. For instance green moved up & down means "move"/"faster", red from left to right in arc "stop".


-jippo

[Juusto]

Using flashlight also replaces handsignals in the dark. Green, red & white signals are used in my army. For instance green moved up & down means "move"/"faster", red from left to right in arc "stop".


-jippo

I used to have freaking big Maglite 3D and red cone with me during my service in FDF. And what for... For guiding trucks! Maglite AA would we better AND LIGHTER for that job. God help that officer who bought those for that. :)

"in my army"? Do you have army of your own? Eheh, just kidding. Don't kill me. ;)

[Jippo]

"in my army"? Do you have army of your own? Eheh, just kidding. Don't kill me. ;)

We pay the salaries, so... ;)


-jippo

[Bia]

Wow i guess i asked the right group of people.
Indeed you did.

I love the fact I can ask a question here and it will be answered correctly and quickly most often.

[Limeyfellow]

Red lenses are typical to keeping your night vision. Its also quite a good choice for walking and signaling in the fog.

Blue filters were for tracking blood originally and work almost as well as keeping your night vision as red light is. Its other good use is as a signal lens as its quite visible, while red is not (except in fog when its the opposite way around.

Green light enhances your vision usually since your eyes have evolved to see so many variations of green. This is why its so common to be used in nightvision goggles.

Orange filters are a compromise between red and yelow. You loose some of your nightvision but get more light.

Yellow and amber produces the most light but is pretty nasty on your night vision.

Black light is your UV lights. Its main use is authenticing bank notes, antiques, testing for cracks in metalwork. Now it will illuminate various bodily fluids from blood, saliva, semen, urine and so on as the fluids contain fluorescent chemicals in them. Same reason why your white clothes shine when washed with biological washing liquids.

[militaryminded]

Thank you guys again.

I didn't think this would be a 2 page subject..LOL

[brianm423]

Looking for a new handheld light...want it very bright with good throw. Trying to keep it under $90. Anyone have any recommendations? I appreciate it.

[helomech]

Surefire G2 $35-40

http://www.americanheritagesports.com/Images/sfG2-OD.jpg

[LillaMy]

I agree the Surefire is a good flashlight! The only problem I have with it, is that sometimes in a bag/rucksack the cap is pressed, depleting the battery.. Other flashlights allows you to screw the cap CCW to a sort of "saftey" position.

I have tought of trying to get a clip or something that I can use as a saftey on the G2. Any ideas anyone?

[helomech]

I agree the Surefire is a good flashlight! The only problem I have with it, is that sometimes in a bag/rucksack the cap is pressed, depleting the battery.. Other flashlights allows you to screw the cap CCW to a sort of "saftey" position.

I have tought of trying to get a clip or something that I can use as a saftey on the G2. Any ideas anyone?

I just unscrew the cap about two to three turns to avoid the turning on

[LillaMy]

I just unscrew the cap about two to three turns to avoid the turning on

Maybee there are different G2 models, but that doesn't work on mine...
I can activate the flashlight by pressing the cap up until it the point where it falls off..

On my Inova LED I do the unscrewing all the time...

[grenadier07]

I use a Surefire 6P. Little more expensive at 59.00 but it has been pretty good to me.


33003

[brianm423]

I use a Surefire 6P. Little more expensive at 59.00 but it has been pretty good to me.


33003

I've been looking at this one. How's the brightness?

[Enduring Freedom]

I guess it depends on what You are going to use it for.

I use a Inova 24/7 LED (http://www.inovalight.com/pdf/24_7_Catalog.pdf) in OD. I paid about 39$ for it. I'm very happy with it. It small, it's versatile and the battery last very long.

It's not very "tactical" looking. But what does that matter - it works very well.

I also have a Surefire G2. But I'm somewhat disapointet with it,because of the cap-thing that "LillaMy" mentions. It annoys me that the cap has to be halfway unscrewed for the light to be off.

[LillaMy]

Just so you know, the brightness on Surefires flashlights dependes on what lamp you put in them...for the G2 it's the "The Ultra High output P61 Lamp Assembly" that would give you the brightest/most focused light beem.

[LillaMy]

I also have a Surefire G2. But I'm somewhat disapointet with it,because of the cap-thing that "LillaMy" mentions. It annoys me that the cap has to be halfway unscrewed for the light to be off.

You actually mean that you can unscrew the damn cap on the G2 a couple of turns and it stays off!! Hmm...wonder if it is the P61 that does it!? Do you have the P60 or the P61 assembly?

[brianm423]

Do batteries come with the light if I order right from Surefire?

[punchinout]

^
^
the lamp doesn't affect the on or off functions. you can back the cap off to keep the pressure switch off no matter what bulb you use.


yea i'd reccomend the G2(in od..cuz it looks mean) or the 6P, decently priced, durable and reliable. get a 12 pack of batteries when you buy one though. my batteries just crapped out...i'm a sad panda.


if you have the money i'd reccomend the A2 Aviator.


Do batteries come with the light if I order right from Surefire?

Yes they do.

[LillaMy]

I did a quick test... it's the same disapointing story with either of the P60/P61.. I guess my G2 really wanna shine..

[Adam Wilhelm]

Surefire 6P-LED (http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_disp/displ/prrfnbr/24459/sesent/00)

80 Lumens for 11 hours.
Costs 85 $.

Or the G2-LED (http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_disp/displ/prrfnbr/24460/sesent/00)

[Enduring Freedom]

You actually mean that you can unscrew the damn cap on the G2 a couple of turns and it stays off!! Hmm...wonder if it is the P61 that does it!? Do you have the P60 or the P61 assembly?

No, it can still turn accidently like You mentioned before. But it takes more pressure to do it. I hate the that cap. That's why I never really use my G2.

[punchinout]

for the price of another G2...you can get this.

http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_disp/displ/carfnbr/289/prrfnbr/24373/Click-On-Lock-out-Tailcap

[T.H.E. rooster]

I've got a 9P. It's about 70 to 80 dollars. It has 105 lumens, which very bright, and thats 40 more lumens than the 6P, but I still want to get a 6P too.

[LillaMy]

for the price of another G2...you can get this.

http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_disp/displ/carfnbr/289/prrfnbr/24373/Click-On-Lock-out-Tailcap

Yeah I have seen that. But that fancy thing doesn't help since the only thing it does is releving the user from the "screwing" p-) part.. Instead of screwing you click...it provides no saftey from accidently "clicking" to ON mode..

[brianm423]

I just found a 6P with 6 additional batteries and free shipping for $56. I think I'm gonna go with this.

[LillaMy]

Whats needed for the G2 is an even fancier tailcap or some sort of plastic spring saftey that could be inserted between the main flashlight body and the tailcap.

[Claymore]

Surefire G2

[Lazuris]

Check out these guys http://www.zweibrueder.com/english/products/torchesandflashlights/ledlenservseries/ledlenserv.html

They aren't sure fire but i have quite a few of these lights and they are great for normal use. Plus they use AAA batteries which can be found at any store. I don't know how they hold up under battle conditions but for civi use they are great. Personally i like my Coast light more than my Sure Fire normal every day use.

[grenadier07]

I've been looking at this one. How's the brightness?

Brightness is good with the P60 lamp that it comes with. The P61 lamp jacks the brightness up even more but you pay for that with running down the batteries quicker. Still its worth it and comparing it to the mini maglite I used to use at work its a vast improvement. Well worth the money.

[orionhawk]

I have a 6p. Great light. I was using it to spot raccoons at about 100 yards recently - it worked better than my 1/2-million candlepower hand-spot. It has the 61 lamp. one thing to note about the extra-bright lamp: it gets hot! It's designed for tactical uses, short bursts, and uses enough power to reduce battery life from 1hr down to about 20min.
Anyway, the 6p is a seriously tough light. I actually carry it in an ASP Baton holster, like that much better than any of the light holsters I have tried.

[HoboWithAK]

Get a Fenix CREE model.

https://www.fenix-store.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_55&products_id=257&osCsid=47e8e4f7aeb85c8531bcca9073045886

[Seraphim]

I was thinking of getting the Fenix CREE for awhile...do you have one?

[Myrdin]

For those of you having trouble with the G2 or 6p turning on, flip one battery around while it's in storage. If you are just leaving it in the range bag or wherever you probably don't plan on getting it very quickly anyways. The battery can be flipped back to the correct position in a few seconds. If you want to use the flashlight as an immediately available tool you should get a dedicated pouch or belt holster. Any good holster will keep the light from turning on at unwanted moments.

[JJC]

Can you tell me what you gonna use the light for? Since you mentioned you need a thrower you should go with the StreamLight TL3 a (tactical light) one of the few that is a true thrower in such a small xenon light. $65 or less, plus you can use rechargeable lithiums such as the 17500s.

If you need a light that wil last for over 80 minutes go with LED's.

SureFire lights are top notch, but I think they are very overpriced considering other good flashlight makes are coming out with multi function quality lights for cheaper $$.

Like others advised I'm a fan of the Fenix CREE leds, many models, you can find good ones in your price range, and they are mulit level lights.

[brianm423]

Thanks for all the help everyone. I ordered a Surefire 6P last night online for $56 including free shipping and 6 additional batteries. I'll post a review once I test it out.

[Steve Andrews]

The newer Surefire G2s have a Lock Out Tail Cap.

My recommendation is a Fenix. They are outstanding for the price.
The P3D is a good choice:

https://www.fenix-store.com/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=227&osCsid=0d2fc75bbc905dbd808afe73668cacc9

[Rekka]

Another brand of flashlights similar to Fenix are Nextorch, they're basically a copy of Surefire led lights, but they're much cheaper, i would say comparable to Fenix.

I own both the A5 as well as the F3 modell, and i'm especially fond of the F3.

[vinny_121_ND]

My G2 nitrolon at 120 lumens bulb died on me. Probably cause I used it too much at night to look for this stray cat. I'm back down to my spare 65 lumens and looking for a replacement.

A Surefire G3, and C3 look to be the candidates, but I'm also shopping around nextorch or fenix, or perhaps a ultafire, not sure yet.

[LillaMy]

You have a very limited lifetime expectancy on the P61, I'll think only aprox 20hrs..

[Hilbert]

A friend bought me a Surefire G2Z-NRA model as a gift a little over a year ago and it's by far the best flashlight i've ever used. Fits well in the hand, convenient size, optional 120 Lumen Lamp, lanyard, and best of all downright indestructible (like with most Surefire products).

-Hildebert

[Merkwurdigeliebe]

I agree the Surefire is a good flashlight! The only problem I have with it, is that sometimes in a bag/rucksack the cap is pressed, depleting the battery.. Other flashlights allows you to screw the cap CCW to a sort of "saftey" position.

I have tought of trying to get a clip or something that I can use as a saftey on the G2. Any ideas anyone?

Tested mine this morning. Backing the end cap one full 360 degree turn will prevent the pushbutton from turning the light on. Takes at least 4 turns to remove the end cap. No guarantee that all will work that way, I suppose.

[SMGLee]

low cost high performance flash light...nothing will beat the new Surefire 6P LED.

80 lumens of foucsed beam with ultra long run time and more reliable lamp assembly.

initial starting cost will be slightly higher then a G2, but in the long run, it will save you more $$ on the batteries and lamp assemblies.

compare 6P LED to 6P standard
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/cltactical/large/SF-008.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/cltactical/large/SF-006.jpg

or even the new E3L is a much better personal companion with a build in pocket clip and a slightly sharpen bezel
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/cltactical/large/SF-007.jpg
higher cost, but smaller and more lumens.

[akmarksman]

surefires are the sh_t..
I have 2 G2s..one in black and the other in yellow..and I had to replace the lamp assembly..and I used a ebay special lamp..and it doesn't shut off like the original Surefire© P60 lamp in my black G2..
I have a vertical carry nylon holster(with a hole in the top that came as a result of carelessness) and a horizontal carry kydex holster..and I wear the kydex one almost daily..
For my money,either get a gross of 123 liths on ebay(panasonics are good) or spend the cash and get duracells locally..

[akmarksman]

You have a very limited lifetime expectancy on the P61, I'll think only aprox 20hrs..

20 hours?...dayum..where'd you find a lamp assembly like that?..because put me down for 2 of them..
the P61 I used only gave me 20 minutes or 1/3 of an hour until the batteries died.

[SMGLee]

20 hours?...dayum..where'd you find a lamp assembly like that?..because put me down for 2 of them..
the P61 I used only gave me 20 minutes or 1/3 of an hour until the batteries died.

I think he is talking about lamp assembly life, you are talking about battery life. the lamp will last for quit awhiel, where the P61 will run a set of good batteries down in 20-25 minutes.

this is why I like the new LED 6P. longer run time, bright and durable. not as bright as the P61 at 80lumens, but the white light are more intense and it seen to be more effective then the higher power P61.

[T.H.E. rooster]

What is the purpose of a surefire
if it only got a runtime of 20 to 30min's
very short if you ask me
Well, you generally don't leave it on for 20 or 30 minutes straight. Mine got burning hot after about four or five. I usually would just have it on for no more than a minute at a time.
Not sure about tactical applications though.

[SMGLee]

What is the purpose of a surefire
if it only got a runtime of 20 to 30min's
very short if you ask me

P61 lamp assembly is a extreme upgrade for those that want a high power combat light in a compact package. usually a P60 lamp assembly 6P two cell flash light will run 60 minutes.

those type of light are not for map reading or any general purpose use. if you use it to read a map, you would be blinded by the bacl flash from the power light output.

And as i keep preaching the LED 6P, it has nearly the output of the P61 lamp assembly with much longer (20 hours) run time.

[siquq]

I need a powerful flashlight for school activities after dark. I need to be able to supervise junior high kids at a range of 100ft. Our community is remote, so rechagable is preferable.

Any ideas??

[Seraphim]

Well I assume you cant afford to buy a hellfighter. Costco has those big lights. I dont know if they are rechargeable. 100m is pretty far to cover.

[SMGLee]

you need somethng in the range of 120lumens....

Surefire 9P comes to mind.

[siquq]

I exagertated, 100ft would be good.

[siquq]

OK, I looked into surefire, as you sugested, and it seems to be what I need.

thanks!

[scrybe]

With a 3 Cell D Maglite, if the rascals get out of line you can crack some skulls.

[punchinout]

he could get a surefire 6P Defender...with the "Strike Bezel"

thats good for crunchin skulls.

[SMGLee]

OK, I looked into surefire, as you sugested, and it seems to be what I need.

thanks!

for 100ft, you can get by with a 6P or the plastic body G2.

the G2 is like 36.00 with output of 60lumens at 60minutes run time.

you can also upgrade the lamp assembly to 120 for a shorter 20min run time.

for your distance, the 60 lumen will be more then enough.

http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_disp/displ/prrfnbr/878/sesent/00

llast but not least, the 6P LED is a great buy with higher out put and longer run time utilizing the LED lamp.

[Aztec Eagle]

With a 3 Cell D Maglite, if the rascals get out of line you can crack some skulls.


Yes! all you need is a Maglite! i have a 3D cell maglite and its woderfull.

http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=grVt6CteSNg

http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=6BILuxzY_Pc

[siquq]

he could get a surefire 6P Defender...with the "Strike Bezel"

thats good for crunchin skulls.

I'm not suposed to hit them anymore.

[siquq]

Alright, now where can I find surefire lights in Canada?

[CanAT]

Wheelers/CPGear sells G2s.
http://www.cpgear.com/default.asp?mn=1.19.56&f=bp&pcat=55

[BillySing]

About 800,000,000 candle power, with ranges up to 28 - 35 miles, depending on conditions. Add some watch towers, machine gun defilades and plenty of razor wire, and the little buggers won't be going anywhere without you knowing. Or you could buy some thermal imaging gear.

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5643/450pxsearchlightwwiiantfw7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[D.Sigurdsson]

Check out Lighthound.com also
500lumens light is on it's way to me right now.
http://www.lighthound.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2951
But yeah a Surefire would also work great.

[siquq]

About 800,000,000 candle power, with ranges up to 28 - 35 miles, depending on conditions. Add some watch towers, machine gun defilades and plenty of razor wire, and the little buggers won't be going anywhere without you knowing. Or you could by some thermal imaging gear.




Yeah, that's the ticket.

[shingo_tln]

FENIX L2D
check this out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isfuJ8ru7Xk

surefire and maglight are retards in comparison with Fenix.

[D.Sigurdsson]

really? *shakeshead*

[M_trace1187]

Check out Lighthound.com also
500lumens light is on it's way to me right now.
http://www.lighthound.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2951
But yeah a Surefire would also work great.

what is the runtime on one set of batteies with this light?

[D.Sigurdsson]

They dont say cause it can take 2 types of batteries (different capacity)
I'll let you know when mine gets here.

[Death.]

500 Lumens..I'll say 3 minutes. lol

[siquq]

For illumination, not taking xrays, right?

[siquq]

I was thinking about something like this. Let's see the little buggers try to sneak into each other's tents now!
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8647/turret550x3931pr9.jpg

[M_trace1187]

They dont say cause it can take 2 types of batteries (different capacity)
I'll let you know when mine gets here.

thanks that will be great . I would like to get one for tracking deer.

[shingo_tln]

really? *shakeshead*
have a problem with that? Really.
Multiple lighting modes, bright beam, price under 50 bucks and AA-elements as a power source. Surefire use pricy batteries, Maglite... is too old, too heavy and gives less light, than Fenix torch.

[siquq]

I've had a lot of luck with these, but the lumens ae low.

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4980/candlecare1zb2.jpg

[shingo_tln]

I've had a lot of luck with these, but the lumens ae low.

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4980/candlecare1zb2.jpg
AA-elements won't work here... :roll:p-)

[kamarian]

I'm not suposed to hit them anymore.

i like how you said "anymore"

nothing says light like Surefire, though the cost of batteries can be expensive. The rechargable ones are worth the initial outlay. Scorpion and Maglite are 2 other good brands.

[vinny_121_ND]

She is so good looking. ... K.

When I was up north away from the city lights, my surefire G2 65 lumen flashlight was blinding bright, and it could illuminate way past 100 feet. I'd recommend that. The Fenix p3d sounds like the best deal imo after seeing it could be 200 lumens for 1.8 hours, while the surefire g2 65 lumens runs at 1 hour run time.

Everybody said my light was by far the brightest, and they never seen such a light before. batteries are expensive, that's why I bought them in bulk on ebay for like 70 cr123 batteries for 50 dollars about.

[Death.]

I'm going to be trying out this
http://www.batteryspace.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=3478

I'll let y'all know how they end up working out..


Also have 50 cr123a's for 46$
http://www.batteryspace.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1285

[siquq]

well, CP Gear sells the G2, and I am making an oder with them anyway, so that's the one for me.

Thanks for all of the advice.

This site is fantastic: just imagine the total years of experience represented by members. Very useful.

[TacOpCop]

I don't like worrying about changing batteries plus those batteries are pricey for the G2. I would recommend a rechargeable if using often. This is the light I use: Streamlight Stinger

[siquq]

I don't like worrying about changing batteries plus those batteries are pricey for the G2. I would recommend a rechargeable if using often. This is the light I use: Streamlight Stinger


I hear ya, and it is on my mind, but:

1. I can't always get back to an outlet on long trips.

2. I may head to Australia, and I don't want any issues with voltage (which I know nothing about)

[DeerPark]

Hi,
The LSI 12V, 2 million candle power rechargeable handheld spotlight would work swell in the situation you described.

[Adam Wilhelm]

surefire and maglight are retards in comparison with Fenix.

Fenix don´t have enough metal so the LED get rather hot with affected runtime as a result. The reflector is also rather small but Fenix have great prices.

I have a Surefire L2 (15/100 Lumens) and a Tiablo A8 (60/256 Lumens) and i am looking for a Surefire L1 because the L2 little to big when carried in a pair jeans.

[TacOpCop]

I hear ya, and it is on my mind, but:

1. I can't always get back to an outlet on long trips.

2. I may head to Australia, and I don't want any issues with voltage (which I know nothing about)

You can get it with a wall outlet charger(AC) and also a car charger(DC) for road trips.

[tango44]

This is what you need:
http://www.pentagonlight.com/item_detail.cfm__id.317

http://www.pentagonlight.com/app/get_file.cfm?id=907

[kamarian]

[QUOTE=siquq;2827750]I hear ya, and it is on my mind, but:

1. I can't always get back to an outlet on long trips.

2. I may head to Australia, and I don't want any issues with voltage (which I know nothing about)[/QUO

you should be ok back here in aussie. I know you can get replacement chargers if you need it. But if you cant get back to an outlet, a battery light is the way to go.

So what are you heading back here for?

[Paulinski]

This guys have Surefire lights in Canada

https://dstactical.com/index.php?cPath=55_125

[D.Sigurdsson]

I was just given this at work today
http://www.landauuk.com/acatalog/1592_m.jpg
22000 Lumens (according to ACR) runs on one(1) 6V lantern battery.

ACR Super Beam Gun. Waterproof hand-held search light suitable for rescue boats, RIBs and the majority of boating applications.


Lock on to targets at 1/3 miles away.
Hopefully I'll be able to put in in action this weekend on the ocean.

[siquq]

cool, very cool

[kamarian]

I was just given this at work today
http://www.landauuk.com/acatalog/1592_m.jpg
22000 Lumens (according to ACR) runs on one(1) 6V lantern battery.



Hopefully I'll be able to put in in action this weekend on the ocean.

got to get me a couple of these! and even better, don't have to pay for them!

got a site i can get them from?

[D.Sigurdsson]

I think we got it from ACR directly (originally) one of few online sites is http://www.landauuk.com/acatalog/safety_equipment.html

[Infanteer90]

Today I found by accident a flashlight by Dorcy that has a 6 watt LED with a 120 Lumen output which I found pretty impressive. I am curious what everyone uses for personal lighting purposes.

[wormie]

http://images.solidcactus.com/autobarn/xxxw-stl45102.jpghttp://www.flashlights.com/images/survivor_div1_400.jpghttp://www.leedsworld.com/images/webupdate/catalog/small/1225-60.jpg

[angry cow]

http://www.expeditionexchange.com/surefire/surefire002%20012.jpg

[Galileo]

A gladius from Night-Ops (http://www.night-ops.com/ledhandheld.html)

Video : http://www.blackhawkvideo.com/flashlights.html

http://flashlightsunlimited.com/images/Night-Ops/GladiusTan.jpg

[StuRat]

http://www.pocketlights.com/images/minimaglite.jpg

[M_trace1187]

i have the dorcy and its great . i also have a mini mag that i bought the 3 led upgrade kit and an IQ switch from a company called Nite-ize . and IT Really improved the mini mag . The Iq switch allows you to cycle through five different modes of lighting . full power , half pwer , 25% power , slow flash and fast flash.

[ZoneOne]

Phototaken from Mountsplus - hosted on Imageshack

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2411/surg2zbkfbied3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

For general use around the house I have a Pelican PM6 3330

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1333/fl3330nz2.th.jpg (http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fl3330nz2.jpg)

[Asheren]

8LED head mounted flashlight with two modes 4 LED and 8 LED. Can't post exact model cos my sister borowed it this summer and i am still trying to get it back.

[FDF_Hemppis]

www.candlepowerforums.com (http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/index.php?)

Everthing you've ever wanted to know about flashligts. And more.

(Don't be afraid of those individuals playing with chopper searchlights etc, they're normal. Probably ;))

Oh, mostly use my trusty old Fenix L2T, and occasionally carry some of my DX cree lights with me :)

[Moodymoddy]

http://www.candlepowerforums.com (http://www.candlepowerforums.com/)

Everthing you've ever wanted to know about flashligts. And more.

(Don't be afraid of those individuals playing with chopper searchlights etc, they're normal. Probably ;))

Someone from CMF modded there maglite to give out 4100 lumens, theres a video of it on Youtube - Setting paper on fire! :|

As for me, I have a madjack [surefire clone - brilliant. Shame about the battery prices :-(], minimag and 3 D Cell Maglite. (Well, I've got a lot more but these are the ones I use nearly everyday.)

[JJC]

www.candlepowerforums.com (http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/index.php?)

Everthing you've ever wanted to know about flashligts. And more.

(Don't be afraid of those individuals playing with chopper searchlights etc, they're normal. Probably ;))

Heyy what you got against CPFrs, I'm a member of that forum as well. p-)

Guys for a great EDC single cell light, go for Novatac 120P. 120 lumens on max, and you can program up to 4 levels of output of your choice and need. Novatac is SureFire quality plus has more bang for the buck compared to new SF L1 with its independent programmability.

Another light that I like is Streamlight propoly 4AA. Built like a tank, makes a good emergency/disaster light. Bright and runs on common AAs.

[XxDrAg0nxX]

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t181/xinglong83/EDC/Inovas.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t181/xinglong83/EDC/100_0213.jpg

[M_trace1187]

d. did your new light from lighthound ever come in?

[Aztec Eagle]

I recomend the best source of lumenance...

http://www.nelms.org.uk/wp-content/images/HurricaneLamp.jpg

[FDF_Hemppis]

Heyy what you got against CPFrs, I'm a member of that forum as well. p-)

Nothing, nothing! I've been a member too for a while now ;)

[FDF_Hemppis]

I need a powerful flashlight for school activities after dark. I need to be able to supervise junior high kids at a range of 100ft. Our community is remote, so rechagable is preferable.

Any ideas??

You didn't speficy any price range, so I'll just give a few ideas:

The Pelican 7060 (http://www.brightguy.com/products/Pelican_7060_LAPD_Flashlight.php)

+relatively bright
+easy recharging in its own cradle
+good throw for spotting way over that 100ft
+should be pretty tough

-a bit expensive (this one is highly relative)
-not as bright as the best out there for the same $

or, if a known brand isn't that important to you:

Dereelight DBS (Q4 with a 3-stage switch) (http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showthread.php?t=169676)

+oh yes, it's bright!
+you can spot people 500ft away ;)
+multiple output, saves battery when needed, and won't blind everyone when necessary

-some might say it's big :roll:
-runs only on 18650 li-ions
-you have to buy batteries separately; see here (http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showthread.php?t=170420)

And last, but not least, couple of el-cheapo options from DX:

WF-600 (runs on 18650 li-ion) (http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6951) and Ultrafire C2 (runs on CR-123A and 18650 li-ion) (http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6177)

[Revalac]

I've got my trusty Mag-Lites, but now I mostly carry the awesome Fenix L2D CE at work (great for indoor use / lightning up relatively short distances).

Got the Fenix E0 and Inova microlight for my keychains.

[D.Sigurdsson]

d. did your new light from lighthound ever come in?

It's currently being processed by the Icelandic customs. But I'm going to Norway tomorrow so I wont be able to play with it until on saturday.

[Geezah]

I have a couple of Streamlight Scorpions, and a couple of Energizer headlights, and came across the Rayovac Extreme range that offers a flashlight with 80 lumens LED output for $24 at Walmart along with a 45 lumens LED headlight for $19.
Hell yeah, I picked those bad boys up.
The things are sweet especially for the price. I'm planning on mounting the hand held to my carbine, to see how it will handle the recoil and shock.

[Paulinski]

Surfire L1 gets my vote.

[D.Sigurdsson]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/dsigurdsson/IMG_3147s.jpg
Guess I'll be needing to try it when I get home on friday.

[MG 3]

http://www.led-lenser.com/images/headfirepowerchip_579.jpg

Excellent battery life.

but for my G3, surefire.

[Engine Mech]

I have a Pelican Super Sabrelite submersible. I found it in the engine room bilge of a ship. It had been there 6 months under water and it was still dry inside.

[winchester_down]

Surefire A2 Aviator

I love it, two light modes for extra versatility.

[Pidyon Shevuyim]

I use a Phoebus HID 10W Warrior.

1800 Lumes, good battery life.

[FDF_Hemppis]

I use a Phoebus HID 10W Warrior.

1800 Lumes, good battery life.

10W HID + 1800lumens = ??

Not bloody likely, even 800 lumens would be stretching it a good deal ;)

[Pidyon Shevuyim]

10W HID + 1800lumens = ??

Not bloody likely, even 800 lumens would be stretching it a good deal ;)

I suggest you take that up with the manufacturer then.

[FDF_Hemppis]

Guess I'll be needing to try it when I get home on friday.

Blown the bulb yet Dui? p-)

[D.Sigurdsson]

Blown the bulb yet Dui? p-)

Not yet, but I'm working on it :D

I've been abusing my SF G2 for over a year and haven't destroyed one bulb yet.

[FDF_Hemppis]

Not yet, but I'm working on it :D

I've been abusing my SF G2 for over a year and haven't destroyed one bulb yet.

A few people on CPF have had bulbs blow in under an hour of use on WF-600/Solarforce :|

Maybe those were just a bad lot, so I got my thumbs up for yours :)

[nougabol]

Ok here is the thing

I have laser products, before it was Surefire i think, m332 for sig 226

I have both 3V and 6V config's

the other day i was switchin' to 6v but i just plain forget that the 3v bulb was still in there

y'all can guess the result ? it burned through

I know this is a long shot but has anybody here an idea about obtaining another 3v bulb, or can get me contact with somebody who knows these things.

i know these things are rare and pretty unfindable,

but those how do not try never achieve.
so the quest begins

greetings from Belgium

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u265/londerzeel/3v.jpg

[SMGLee]

Just call Surefire I don't think ITAR will effect a light bulb.

they used to go by Laser Products and Surefire was the product name. Since then, they dropped the Laser products and stuck with the Surefire as the company name.

[nougabol]

Is 3V totally phased out or is there a chance they still stock 3V bulbs

[lt tahoe]

http://www.opticsplanet.net/surefire-lamp-led-conversion-kit-r30.html

Yep, they're still around. Actually, that makes me want one of those lights for my P226; I've got a P114 on it now, and it's a monster.

[snapper036]

try ebay, loads on there

[Adam Wilhelm]

Is the Surefire P60L (http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_disp/displ/carfnbr/254/prrfnbr/24502/P60L-LED-Assembly) to any help?
I´m not sure if a C123 can drive it.

[nougabol]

Thanks guys for the answers, will be working out what to do

The 6v setup works fine but is a little bit long and out off balance i think

[lt tahoe]

...What's wrong with the one I linked? The 3V bulb assemblies are still available, as shown. Buy a new one.

If you are going to a 6V light, let me know--I might be interested in that 3V you've got!

[nougabol]

There is nothing wrong with the one you linked my friend.

I've already ordered some bulbs:)


thanks again

[Howie Kaluha]

Has anyone seen this flashlight or used it? I ordered mine last Friday and it came in today.

I had read a lot of good things about it and had the chance to see it in person when a friend of mine who's getting hired at a sheriff's office nearby purchased one.

Coolest thing about it is the rechargeable Lithium-Ion batteries (which have no "memory" and not to mention the high lumen count). I'm looking forward to trying it out on the street.

http://www.flashlightz.com/product.php/pelican/7060/pelican-7060-led-tactical-flashlight/?product=164653&category=

[orionhawk]

I have a couple Pelican lights (though not this one). They work well, are tough, batteries last for fricking ever, and are bright as ****.

be careful about using the belt clip, though, if your light has one. I have broken the belt clips off of every Pelican flashlight I have.

as far as tac-lights go, I think I will stick with my Surefire 6P.

[Howie Kaluha]

yeah, i plan on getting a smaller tac light. i want to use the pelican as a general-use light.

[LA_Operator]

I use this for ship checks when I am in tanks, etc. and my coworker calls it "The Hand Sun" because it lights up the tanks.

[Howie Kaluha]

i guess you're referring to the same pelican?