Guess who Europe's subsidizing?

[gilgoul]

The European Union and its member countries have been subsidizing various opponents of Israel for many years. A study, just published by the Dutch Center for Documentation and Information on Israel contains perhaps the most detailed investigation of one such case.
A group called United Civilians for Peace is a joint venture of five Dutch NGOs. Fifty to 90% of their budgets are funded by the Dutch government and the European Union. A sixth partner left UCP in view of its extreme anti-Israeli activities.
UCP - among other things - publishes research about "Dutch economic links in support of the Israeli occupation of Palestinian and/or Syrian territories."
Journalist Joost de Haas, writing in the Dutch Telegraaf summed up the 50-plus page report by the Dutch Center for Documentation saying: "A peace organization financed with taxpayers money is guided by the Palestinian terror organization Hamas and supports the Iranian atom bomb."
The EU and the Dutch government thus indirectly finance Dutch opponents of Israel.
This story is the tip of a European iceberg of financial support for anti-Israeli bodies. NGO Monitor has exposed various state agencies which finance extreme anti-Israeli organizations. In an article in the Swiss daily Le Temps, Gerald Steinberg, who heads NGO Monitor cited examples of such support by the Swiss Agency for Development & Cooperation.




Read the following here (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1192380695323&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull)

[Atlantic Friend]

The best example of the UCP's extreme anti-Israeli activity is the publication of economic research ?

[LRPV]

The best example of the UCP's extreme anti-Israeli activity is the publication of economic research ?

"This story is the tip of a European iceberg of financial support for anti-Israeli bodies"

Read the story...

[little icebear]

At the same time Israel is subsidized by "Europe"... whatever you consider to be Europe... :roll:

[pgm]

At the same time Israel is subsidized by "Europe"... whatever you consider to be Europe... :roll:

Maybe I haven't caught your sarcasm: are you really saying that subsidizing (?) Israel - a democratic free state - is morally the same that subsidizing or backing terrorist Hamas and nuke theocratic iranian ayatollahs? If you think so, I'm afraid there is something very wrong in your mind, and your soul. And I'm also afraid that if you don't understand why by yourself, it's useless trying to explain.

[little icebear]

I´m saying that I´m a little bit fed up with anti-euro rants which suggest that Europe is Anti-Israel when in fact pretty much the whole of Europe is friends with Israel and supporting it in many ways.
I´m not okay with money, meant to be used as development aid, but keeps wandering into the wrong pockets, but I´m although not okay with biased coverage which makes it appear as if the Europeans are eager to support Hezbullah or other Terror-Groups.

[Rictor]

The only examples that the article points to specifically are financing some text-books that are critical of the wall/fence/whatever and greasing Arafat's palms. Considering that the former is justifiable and the latter is dead, I don't see anything except hyperbole and sensationalism.

Also, the Jerusalem Post has a ****-load of ads on their website.

[theholeinthedonut]

Sometimes it's very easy to be labelled as "anti-Israel" by the Israelis. As soon as you work in the peace movement and start asking about the usefulness of the wall and the settlements you are a traitor that is helping Hamas, Hizb'Allah, AQ and the NSDAP.

[achilles]

So Israel is not happy with Europe? Gee.....

This Manfred Gerstenfeld guy needs to get over the cry baby mentality and feel more happy and grateful for all the immense support Israel has received from Europe throughout the years, not to mention the US of A.

[Dispatcher]

Sometimes it's very easy to be labelled as "anti-Israel" by the Israelis. As soon as you work in the peace movement and start asking about the usefulness of the wall and the settlements you are a traitor that is helping Hamas, Hizb'Allah, AQ and the NSDAP.


X2.

The center for doc. and stuff for Israel in holland isnt the most un-biased source for news.

And before some guys get on your high horse; i havent a thing in the world against Israeli's.

[gilgoul]

First of all, I didn't bring this article as a political rant, and I do not necessarily endorse the conclusions of the author in their totality.

Second, I doubt many have read the document completely, because I would be scandalized by it's conclusions, just like I'm scandalized by my governement subsidizing and supporting the Fatah terror movement.

Third, if critic equals complete oposition, then Europe could effectively be considered an ennemy. Fortunately, many europeans denounce too the fact that millions are squandered to the "palestinian cause" without any accountability from the donating governements nor the beneficiaries of those largesses.

If you see that as blatantly anti-european, I wonder where the paranoia is standing here.

[Jaeger07]

First of all, I didn't bring this article as a political rant, and I do not necessarily endorse the conclusions of the author in their totality.

Second, I doubt many have read the document completely, because I would be scandalized by it's conclusions, just like I'm scandalized by my governement subsidizing and supporting the Fatah terror movement.

Third, if critic equals complete oposition, then Europe could effectively be considered an ennemy. Fortunately, many europeans denounce too the fact that millions are squandered to the "palestinian cause" without any accountability from the donating governements nor the beneficiaries of those largesses.

If you see that as blatantly anti-european, I wonder where the paranoia is standing here.

Nevertheless, your thread title says it all. It implies we're subsidizing terror.

Now, the term "terror" is a highly subjective term. Have the EU spend money that could harm Israel? Hell yes. Because we believe many things you do are wrong. Did the money intentionally go to people who kill israeli civilians: Absolutely no!

We are trying to make peace and stability in the region, though through other actions and means than Israel is doing.

Dont put an equal between those who critize you and your enemies.
Makes you look stupid. Wich i think you are.

From me, you get a bash for the stupid thread :bash:

[achilles]

A stupid thread with a very stupid title, indeed.

[Invisigoth]

Sometimes it's very easy to be labelled as "anti-Israel" by the Israelis. As soon as you work in the peace movement and start asking about the usefulness of the wall and the settlements you are a traitor that is helping Hamas, Hizb'Allah, AQ and the NSDAP.

Simple and to the point.

[khukuri]

your were just given a couple of subs... pleazeeeee

[DaGreatRV]

The only thing I know of is that we (the Dutch) financed a harbor for Gaza city, just to have it blown up by Israel. :-(


BTW, three decades ago, the Netherlands was one of the biggest supporters of the palestinian cause. And no-one was ashamed of it.
These days if you would even suggest that you have the slightest sympathy with the palestines, you're called an 'anti semite', 'neo nazi', etc...

[haze99]

And what has Dutch sympathy for the "Palestinians' gotten you? Most favored-nation trading status?
Just a break from the main discussion,
The Israeli Wall is quite usefull, just ask the "Palestinians", it keeps the dirty Jews from "occupying their land". Peace movement, peace to what? What more peace do you think you can achieve with the Islamic mindset?
Israel gave up Southern Lebanon in 2000. It got Hizbollah at its back door step in 2006! (And where are the two IDF soldiers who were captured?)
Israel gave back Gaza and what happened? Hamas took over!
How many Palestinian "prisoners" have been given back in the last month alone? 2, 300, 600? And where is Gilad Shilat?

[RSone]

Seems like the Center for Documentation and Information on Israel is trying to play the guilt card on us.
Look, just because our government donates money to certain foundations doesn't mean they have control over what those foundations do with the money. Besides, has it been PROVEN that this "foundation" is "guided"(strange choice of words) by Hamas?, a organization our government considers to be a terrorist organisation.
And they also seem to be forgetting all the aid Israël got from us.

[theholeinthedonut]

And what has Dutch sympathy for the "Palestinians' gotten you? Most favored-nation trading status?
Just a break from the main discussion,
The Israeli Wall is quite usefull, just ask the "Palestinians", it keeps the dirty Jews from "occupying their land". Peace movement, peace to what? What more peace do you think you can achieve with the Islamic mindset?
Israel gave up Southern Lebanon in 2000. It got Hizbollah at its back door step in 2006! (And where are the two IDF soldiers who were captured?)
Israel gave back Gaza and what happened? Hamas took over!
How many Palestinian "prisoners" have been given back in the last month alone? 2, 300, 600? And where is Gilad Shilat?

Either you are incredibly ill informed or you are just a cynic. I don't know where you get your wisdom, but I was down there, as well in the West Bank as in Gaza, several times and I can only tell you that what's happening there is beyond imagination. Believe me i'm neither a friend of Hamas nor do I think much of Fatah, I'm as happy for everyone of those SOFB that bites the dust as you, but what Israel is doing is not fighting terrorism , it's doing it's uttermost to keep it alive and make it grow. If the Israeli society won't see the necessity of a change then I do not dare to dream where the clusterfcuk will end.

[Stonewall71]

Sometimes it's very easy to be labelled as "anti-Israel" by the Israelis. As soon as you work in the peace movement and start asking about the usefulness of the wall and the settlements you are a traitor that is helping Hamas, Hizb'Allah, AQ and the NSDAP.


I sign below!

[Dodge]

Israel - a democratic free state

Good one.rofl

[Limeyfellow]

The problem comes if you don't subside a nation and the people are starving and angry they become even more violent. People who feel good about their current setup are much less likely to use violence to achieve their goal, instead of say 10 million people starving to death.

[Player]

Israel - a democratic free state

Good one.rofl

Yeah funny isn't it? :) Israel is a Zionist dictatorship duhh... [/sarcasm]