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EvanL
05-16-2004, 05:50 PM
Jihad spokesman says Canadians were mean to Khadrs

Stewart Bell
National Post


May 15, 2004

Karim Khadr, 14, who was paralyzed when shot in the spine by Pakistani security forces last year near the border with Afghanistan, has returned home to Canada for medical treatment. His father was killed in the gun battle.
CREDIT: Aaron Harris, Canadian Press
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ISLAMABAD - The Al-Qaeda terror network views Canada as a legitimate target because it is a "selfish" nation committing "terrorism" against Muslims around the world, an unofficial spokesman for jihadists waging holy war against the West said Friday.

Khalid Khawaja, a friend of Osama bin Laden's who calls the Saudi terrorist and his followers "the most wonderful people of the world," told the National Post that Canadians should not be surprised if suicide bombers want to strike their country.

"It is very simple," he said. "As Bush says, either you are a friend or you are an enemy. So if you are not my friend, you are our enemy. So it is very simple. When you are supporting the enemy [the United States] then you are a target."

He also said Canada was hated because of its military presence in Afghanistan and its treatment of the Khadr family, notably Abdul Karim, the teen who set off a public outcry when he returned to Toronto for medical treatment after he was wounded in a shootout in Pakistan that left his al-Qaeda father dead.

"Look at these Canadians. They have millions and millions of dollars to fight against Muslims, to send their troops, to send their weapons, and all of them put together, they have objections to giving treatment to this 14 year-old-boy who has been a victim of your terrorism."

Bin Laden first publicly encouraged attacks against Canada in a statement broadcast on Nov. 12, 2002. In March, 2004, an al-Qaeda manual posted on the Internet ranked Canadians as the fifth most important targets.

But al-Qaeda and its ideological theorists have provided little explanation as to why. Canada did not send troops to Iraq, its foreign policy is not particularly pro-Israel and Ottawa has not been overly aggressive in fighting terror.

A top Canadian terrorism expert said Mr. Khawaja's comments were typical of the way al-Qaeda followers view the world, as divided between two conflicting religious and cultural camps: Dar ul-Islam, the perfect Muslim world, and Dar ul-Harb, the immoral rest of the world.

"Canada, as a secular democratic society, is by definition assigned to Dar ul-Harb. From the perspective of al-Qaeda and associated Islamic militants, it is incumbent upon Muslims to wage a jihad, a holy war, against Dar ul-Harb in order to destroy its perceived evils and transform those societies into Dar ul-Islam," said Professor Martin Rudner.

"According to this doctrine, Canada is a religiously sanctioned target for terrorism, suicide bombing and political violence," said Prof. Rudner, Director of the Canadian Centre of Intelligence and Security Studies at Carleton University's Norman Paterson School of International Affairs.

A Canadian intelligence report written shortly after bin Laden first urged attacks against Canada said the country was singled out "in view of its support of the U.S." The more recent al-Qaeda manual explains only that Canada is a "Christian" country.

According to a translation of an article written by Abu Ayman al-Hilali, a senior al-Qaeda leader and ideologist, the United States, Britain, France, Italy, Canada, Germany, and Australia are "enemies" and attacks against their civilians are justified. Since Western governments are engaged in a war against Islam, he argued, the civilian voters who elect those governments cannot be considered non-combatants and are legitimate targets for terrorists.

In an interview in Islamabad yesterday, Mr. Khawaja, who fought with bin Laden in Afghanistan and openly admits he supports jihad activities, provided a rare explanation of why terrorists wish to bring violence to Canada.

Suicide bombers are simply fighting back against the Western assault on their faith and Canadians should just learn to "take it," he said.

"Today you have the power in your hand. The other day the suicide bomber also has power. So you use your cruise missiles and atom bombs and all that, so he uses his power. So why do you cry at that time? When you say we are fighting a war against you, so better take it then.

"They are also fighting a war against you. They are fighting their way, you are fighting your way. So let's be happy. But only thing is, your faces are pulled down, you are scared, sitting in America and Canada. You are scared of a man sitting in the cave."

"We are not scared of you."

He described life as a "cage" and a "prison" from which he hoped to escape. "We love it like we want to live in a toilet, and we just want to get out of it." And the best way to leave life is in jihad, he said. "So how can you fight with us?"

Mr. Khawaja would not say when he last spoke with bin Laden but his recent activities include helping the families of al-Qaeda members killed in a 1998 U.S. cruise missile strike on a terror training camp in Afghanistan, and helping the Khadr family of Ontario.

The return of Mrs. Khadr and her youngest son Abdul Karim to Canada, and the broadcast of comments in which the mother and her daughter praised suicide bombings, outraged many Canadians. Thousands signed a petition calling for the deportation of the family.

"You have paralyzed [Abdul Karim], your system has paralyzed him -- although of course he's been paralyzed by Pakistan Army, but it was under order of this coalition. To me I call them governments of terrorists, the coalition of terrorists.

"So you paralyzed this boy with no thought, you paralyzed his father with no thought, now the whole Canadian nation put together, they are bothered about taxpayers' money, that this boy should not be treated with this money.

"You have all the money to kill the people, you have all the billions of dollars to make the people slaves, you have billions of dollars to torture the people, you have billions of dollars to put up in the media to create false enemies and you have no money to give treatment to one of your victims. So what treatment do you deserve?

"Your civilization is selfish and self-centred. Just you want to live and enjoy yourselves and that is all, you don't give."

He said terrorist attacks would end only when the West stopped trying to dominate the Muslim world.

"We don't believe in killing innocent people but we would certainly like to send you into the Stone Age the same way you have sent us into the Stone Age."

© National Post 2004

Ding DIng DIng, Wake up call Canadian Public.

One?
05-16-2004, 06:29 PM
lets be serious for a moment. Most of those who work in government offices are pakistani and indian (no im not racist). So he is only killing those who provided the most support.

pAt
05-16-2004, 07:09 PM
i think the western world and all the world should just flatten a-stan and every country that opposes us

Pooga
05-16-2004, 07:24 PM
We don't believe in killing innocent people but we would certainly like to send you into the Stone Age the same way you have sent us into the Stone Age.

When did the Western world send Afghanistan into the Stone Age? It was the Taliban…

Or if they're talking about the Western world sending the Middle East into the Stone Age, I don't think the Crusades made that big of an impact. And we're giving them loads for oil, so they need only blame their leaders for holding all the money…they are the selfish ones.

I would normally laugh and point fingers at them for their naïeveté, but people have died because of the extremists' dumb arse and un-thought-out views.
:cantbeli:

seruriermarshal
05-16-2004, 07:29 PM
WOW, allies will use B-52 tell Al-Qaeda !

[AFSOC]
05-16-2004, 07:38 PM
go ahead bomb CAnada....

It'll juss inspire more CAnucks to enlist to bring hell to those terrorist bastards.

then wHATT

OOHHHHHH SNAPPP

catdat
05-16-2004, 07:49 PM
"Your civilization is selfish and self-centred. Just you want to live and enjoy yourselves and that is all, you don't give."

Give what? ha ha. To Al Queda?

Al Queda has stated years ago that the next major attack that they would like to execute is a nuclear attack on a city in North America. Based on past performance who would you consider a bigger threat: Saddam or Al Queda? They claim to want to destroy seven cities. They tried to hit four targets on 911. They hit three. What if they can detonate in one US city?


We're ripe for something to happen. What's the threat level these days?

2001 Article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1657901.stm

Interview 2004:


Al-Jazeera: How will this be done?

Al-Asuquf: With the destruction of the seven largest American cities,
along with other measures.

Al-Jazeera: By what means will this be done?

Al-Asuquf: Using atomic bombs.

Nothing new here. Sollog has warned for three years now to leave all
western cities due to the danger of nuclear attacks, which he says,
will destroy major cities and with it the global power of the U.S.
as well.

Al-Jazeera: With all of the security in the USA, how, hypothetically,
will these bombs be smuggled onto American soil?

Al-Asuquf: They won't be smuggled in, they're already there.

Al-Jazeera: What are you saying?

Al-Asuquf: There are already seven nuclear devices on American soil
which were put in place before September 11th and are ready to be
detonated.

Al-Jazeera: How did they get in to the USA?

Al-Asuquf: Before September 11, American security was a fiasco, and
even after, were it necessary, we could manage to smuggle bombs into
the United States. They entered through seaports, as normal cargo.

Previously reported during the past few years.

Al-Jazeera: How is that possible?

Al-Asuquf: A nuclear device is no bigger than a refrigerator;
therefore, it can be easily camouflaged as one. Millions of cargo
containers arrive in seaports each day, and no matter how efficient
security is, it's impossible to check, search through and examine
each container.

Al-Jazeera: Where did these atomic bombs come from?

Al-Asuquf: They were purchased on the black market.

Al-Jazeera: From whom?

Al-Asuquf: We bought five from the defunct Soviet Union and two more
from Pakistan. Previously reported as well.

pAt
05-16-2004, 07:55 PM
well we have bigger and better bombs than them and ours are most affective :D

Maverick77
05-16-2004, 08:37 PM
Canadians will die in a terrorist attack on Canadian ground soon


The people do not take it seriously and its unfortunate some of them will have to die to change that.

Pooga
05-16-2004, 08:55 PM
Well, if I see some squirly-lookin dude walkin around my city with a refrigerator strapped to his back, I'm gonna give him what-for.

woot

simple jumper
05-16-2004, 09:05 PM
Focking Khadr's, there was a poll if Canada wanted/should deport the Khadr family but they complained saying it was racist...in my opinion they should be deported, its the family with the most "lost" passports in Canada's history, one of the sons keeps changing his story abouyt his deportation to Syria. It's a crop of sh!t.

seruriermarshal
05-16-2004, 09:11 PM
Focking Khadr's, there was a poll if Canada wanted/should deport the Khadr family but they complained saying it was racist...in my opinion they should be deported, its the family with the most "lost" passports in Canada's history, one of the sons keeps changing his story abouyt his deportation to Syria. It's a crop of sh!t.

Yes you are right , they are enemy .

usa320
05-16-2004, 09:27 PM
They do realize that if they detonated a single nuclear bomb anywhere, that half the middle east would be turned into a parking lot right?

Pooga
05-16-2004, 09:32 PM
Unfortunately, usa, I don't think they give a donkey's arse, and therein lies the problem.

[AFSOC]
05-16-2004, 09:33 PM
Canadians will die in a terrorist attack on Canadian ground soon


The people do not take it seriously and its unfortunate some of them will have to die to change that.

Its not that they take it seriously.....

Just some Canadians are ignorant and think freedom comes free. Thats all it is. Im not saying every Canadian....cuz the majority of Canadians do REALIZE the threat of terroism, I mean heck they live right next to the USA.

Airborne you sure do lose credit when you say stuff wit a Rod Stewart avatar....*cough* queer *cough* ;)

Maverick77
05-16-2004, 09:44 PM
yeah i know

i dont give a flying **** what a bunch of internet nerds think though


Rod Stewart is one of the greatest artists of all time.

catdat
05-16-2004, 09:49 PM
When I quoted the "interview" between Al-Jezeera and Al-Queda I was not trying say that I believe that there's a refrig-nuke sitting around in Paramus just waiting for Habib to come along and plug in. I don't really believe they have those set up because what would they be waiting for?

I do believe that they've expressed the intention many times. We tend to forget that Al-Queda had expressed an intention to level the World Trade Center long before they succeeded. We may even forget that it took them multiple attempts. They may have been lucky but it wasn't a lack of trying.

usa320 who would we bomb in retaliation? This wouldn't even be an option anyway. Let's say we dropped a nuke on Iran or Syria (just to pick a country); the fallout travels up in the jet stream and lands where? Who else do we piss off? Maybe that dust on my car in the morning is a little more ominous than usual.

I don't know if Canada is an easier target than the US. I think that given the proximity and the politics AQ won't look at you any differently.

Building my shelter now :)
catdat[/b]

usa320
05-16-2004, 10:03 PM
Any attack on any country by terrorists using nuclear weapons would probably mean Iran and Syria getting blown to hell, either with nuclear weapons, or more preferably, a massive conventional air campaign.

[AFSOC]
05-16-2004, 10:12 PM
yeah i know

i dont give a flying f*** what a bunch of internet nerds think though


Rod Stewart is one of the greatest artists of all time.

nerds?? Lol ok

Rod Stewart

Pooga
05-16-2004, 10:41 PM
Sorry Airborne, you are an internet nerd too, my friend. p-)

Catdat, good call with Habib plugging in the refrigerator. That flowed well and was funny. woot

K enough with the emotards or whatever. :fork:

dacanadianbomb
05-17-2004, 03:45 AM
What was the dude saying, that he lifes in a toilet and wants to get out ?
And thats why he isnt scared of us ?
I would be very scared if a 250 pound buzzcut head with a c7 came busting into my toilet, it would definately cramp my style.

What is this woman saying ?, why are we allowing them back into the country? I dont think we should be bringing people home when they are obviously up to no good in another country. I can hardly think that they deserve any help.
We have millions or billions to spend on taking actions against these people but we dont have any money to treat her kid.
Im sorry madam I think you are mistaken about that, we are investing billions of dollars into your son and husband. You just think , opposed to myself , that we are spending it wrong in the form of a 5.56 round.
Deport her and the people involved. Then when they have children in other places, kidnap them bring them to canada and then deport them again to make the pointt hey are not welcome.