Saddams Own Torture Videos (warning-GRAPHIC)

[seruriermarshal]

http://www.foxnews.com/images/106394/6_21_103003_fnl_iraqtorture2.jpg

http://www.foxnews.com/images/106394/7_22_103003_torture.jpg

When the "prisoner abuse" media-sponsored hit on the president broke, I remembered, in the back of my mind, having seen videos of what torture in was like under Saddam. It figured, I though, that the mainstream media found pictures of U.S. MPs making Iraqis wear underwear on their heads was more gruesome than Saddam throwing prisoners, head first, off buildings.

Anyway, I just discovered that some new videos of Saddam's own brand of torture are going to be revealed. These are supposed to be much worse than what we have already seen. But, I figured I'd see if I could dig up the ones that have already surfaced, but that the media has suppressed. If you have not already seen these, I highly suggest watching:

Click . If you have trouble starting it with that link, go to the FNC page here and the video is there. The link to the video is mid-way down the page, and the actual video starts after a short Fox promo.

For more info on Saddam's brand of torture, check out this story.

Also, I have put aside a declassified British Dossier on Saddam's torture methods. It is quite grisly, and you can download it here.

I also found two of Uday's torture "home videos" floating around. The files are a little large (~7megs), but you can get them here and here.

If it weren't such a serious matter, Kennedy's and Levin's mock outrage at our MPs would be laughable.

This posting should provide some much-needed perspective.

*** Warning: Most Material Linked to Herein Is GRAPHIC ***



http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/16/103418.shtml

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101689,00.html

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3068571/

http://www.streamload.com/jmstein77/TortureDossier.pdf

http://www.streamload.com/jmstein77/TortureDossier.pdf

http://www.streamload.com/jmstein77/Uday1.mpeg

http://www.streamload.com/jmstein77/Uday2.mpeg

[American Patriot]

Those savages!

[Kilgor]

Writes Simon: "I would like to know if any of these torturers is actually in Abu Ghraib right now. ... I also would like to know what Senator Kennedy has to say about the moral equivalence of our actions after watching these tapes."

rofl

I cant wait to see what the fat ****er has to say too

What the euro boys have a whinge at trying to defend this.

[budanski]

Still not as vile as a human pyramid. </sarcasm>

[One?]

Still not as vile as a human pyramid. </sarcasm>


just because saddam did it doesn't justifty the acts of the MPs. The MPs went there to STOP what saddam was doing not continue at a lesser extent.


There is something westerners won't understand. Its more humiliating for man to stand naked infront of others, perform ****** acts, masturbate infront of people etc... than get beat up.

[American Patriot]

How nice of you to care for the Iraqis who did absolutely nothing to overthrow Saddam, a brutal dictator who funded Islamist terrorism.

[Kilgor]

Still not as vile as a human pyramid. </sarcasm>


just because saddam did it doesn't justifty the acts of the MPs. \.

We never said it did justify.

Just wondering where is the world condemnation and especially arab, to such acts that happen every day in countries like Saudi arabia and Iran.

[Jack Mehoff]

Still not as vile as a human pyramid. </sarcasm>


just because saddam did it doesn't justifty the acts of the MPs. The MPs went there to STOP what saddam was doing not continue at a lesser extent.


There is something westerners won't understand. Its more humiliating for man to stand naked infront of others, perform ****** acts, masturbate infront of people etc... than get beat up.

There is something islam won't understand. It's more humiliating for a man to die in front of the world and his family by getting his head cut off and/or get kill and then drag through the street then hang on the bridge like sheep.

[Kilgor]

and there is something the west understands.

That torture like this is vile, but unreported if it is conducted by a arab leader like saddam. But if any westerner or jew even slightly hurts or insults a arab, then its a bloody jihad for all.

Double standards in the arab world.

[Jack Mehoff]

Still not as vile as a human pyramid. </sarcasm>


just because saddam did it doesn't justifty the acts of the MPs. The MPs went there to STOP what saddam was doing not continue at a lesser extent.


There is something westerners won't understand. Its more humiliating for man to stand naked infront of others, perform ****** acts, masturbate infront of people etc... than get beat up.

Nope, the western world don't understand except that fact that the Secretary of Defense is on hot seat, but maybe the Arab and islam world can understand what is it mean to be humilated. :roll:

Read the bolded words.

WASHINGTON — Secretary of State Colin Powell (search) scolded Arab governments Sunday for not expressing more outrage over the videotaped beheading of an American civilian in Iraq. He also pledged action against American military prison guards and perhaps others responsible for prisoner abuses in Iraq that have drawn worldwide condemnation.



"People are disappointed in the United States," Powell said. He added, "Justice will be done."

Powell said he has made clear, specifically to Arab leaders, that systematic torture of prisoners is unacceptable anywhere. Yet, he said, their denunciation of the killing of Nicholas Berg (search), kidnapped while in Iraq seeking business for his Pennsylvania communication company, fell far short of their attacks on the United States for the treatment of detainees at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison (search).

The beheading of the 26-year-old was broadcast on an Islamic militant Web site. U.S. intelligence officials have concluded that terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (search) was the masked person shown decapitating Berg with a large knife.

Powell, interviewed from Jordan, said he has told Arab leaders, "When you are outraged at what happened at the prison, you should be equally, doubly outraged at what happened to Mr. Berg."

On "Fox News Sunday," Powell said, "That is equal to any other act you've seen with respect to the need to condemn it, and to condemn it outright, and to condemn it publicly. And we need that same level of outrage and condemnation coming from the Arab world, just as it's coming from us."

The Islamic militant groups Hezbollah and Hamas issued strongly worded condemnations of the killing. Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates were the first Arab governments to criticize the murder after an initial silence throughout the region about the videotape.

"Notwithstanding what people think about what we did at the prison, there can be no comparison to the actions of a few who are going to be punished and brought to justice as a result of what happened at Abu Ghraib," Powell told NBC's "Meet the Press."

"There is anger in the Arab world about some of our actions, but that is no excuse for any silence on the part of any Arab leader for this kind of murder," Powell said. "This kind of murder is unacceptable in anyone's religion, in anybody's political system that is a political system based on any kind of understanding and respect for human rights."

In its report on human rights around the world in 2003, Amnesty International said the countries in the Middle East and North Africa used widespread abusive tactics "in the name of `combating terrorism.'"

In addition, the report said, "The region continued to suffer from judicial and extrajudicial executions, widespread use of torture and unfair trials."

On Fox, Powell said: "Torture of any kind is unacceptable, and Arab leaders need to look at what's happening in their own societies. They need to reform their societies."

From his meetings with leaders at an economic summit in Jordan this weekend and last week with foreign ministers from the leading industrialized nations, Powell said he has found "a convergence between the Arab nations and the industrialized world, and all of us have to move forward down the path of reform."

In other remarks on Iraq, Powell said:

— He was confident the Iraqis who will take charge of governing the country on July 1 will support a continued U.S. presence to help provide security and financial assistance ahead of elections scheduled for January. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said he favored elections before then. "They may be flawed, but the quicker we turn the turn government of the Iraqi people over to the Iraqi people, the more it will be then the insurgents versus the Iraqi government, rather the insurgents against us," he said.

— The United States would accept an Islamic government should Iraqis decide that is what they wanted. "Surely everybody understands it is a nation that rests on the faith of Islam," Powell said. "But they also know that in order to be successful as a 21st-century country, they have to respect the rights of all individuals and not allow a purely fundamentalist regime to arise in the country.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120073,00.html

[wreck]

Double standards in the arab world.
rofl

And here's what freedom looks like
http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/mirror/apr2004/5/0/000ECF93-F2DC-1091-8AB280C328EC0000.jpg

[Jack Mehoff]

Double standards in the arab world.
rofl

And here's what freedom looks like
http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/mirror/apr2004/5/0/000ECF93-F2DC-1091-8AB280C328EC0000.jpg

And this is what a supposedly a "peaceful" religion looks like

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl


http://www.umbc.edu/saf/sanews/volume2/world%20trade%20center%20fire.jpg

[Kilgor]

Double standards in the arab world.
rofl

And here's what freedom looks like
http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/mirror/apr2004/5/0/000ECF93-F2DC-1091-8AB280C328EC0000.jpg

So by that logic... because some muslims are suicide bombers that means all muslims are crazed suicide bombers ?

Just like some people in the american army commit inhuman acts against prisioners ... that means all do right ?

[Romulus]

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/mirror/apr2004/5/0/000ECF93-F2DC-1091-8AB280C328EC0000.jpg

Meh....

Still can't see how scaring the piss outta this guy is justified by cutting off ones head. Get a grip on reality folks.

[Jack Mehoff]

Peaceful hey?

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/rdonlyres/4FFA61A3-9C33-4597-A8D9-8079E91F2784/37060/27EE4359CC5D4FEC811D6B3567277D57.jpg

[Kilgor]

Peaceful hey?

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/rdonlyres/4FFA61A3-9C33-4597-A8D9-8079E91F2784/37060/27EE4359CC5D4FEC811D6B3567277D57.jpg

"and here's what Islam looks like" ?

[Jack Mehoff]

IMPORTANT READING


WASHINGTON — Secretary of State Colin Powell (search) scolded Arab governments Sunday for not expressing more outrage over the videotaped beheading of an American civilian in Iraq. He also pledged action against American military prison guards and perhaps others responsible for prisoner abuses in Iraq that have drawn worldwide condemnation.

[Jack Mehoff]

Peaceful hey?

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/rdonlyres/4FFA61A3-9C33-4597-A8D9-8079E91F2784/37060/27EE4359CC5D4FEC811D6B3567277D57.jpg

"and here's what Islam looks like" ?

Exactly :lol:

[Kilgor]

Summary:

Its ok to stereotype all americans as cowboys & gun ho imperialistic thugs but stereotypes of Islam and europeans are unfair.

:P

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Summary:

Its ok to stereotype all americans as cowboys & gun ho imperialistic thugs but stereotypes of Islam and europeans are unfair.

:P
Its unfair to sterotype any race, nation or religion so thats why I don't do it but I see plenty of it on this thread. ;)

[seruriermarshal]

Where are UN ?

[Kilgor]

Where are UN ?

Probably enjoying a massive 10 course tax payer funded lunch ?

[budanski]

There is something westerners won't understand. Its more humiliating for man to stand naked infront of others, perform ****** acts, masturbate infront of people etc... than get beat up.

Ah, that explains the hoods over the heads...

Is it any surprise that you would condemn acts of humiliation committed by Americans and silent on acts of barbarism committed by your fellow muslims?

So they would rather die of torturous pain than to be humilated? Saddam was a bad character but wasnt as evil as the Americans because they humuliated prisioners... something Saddam wouldnt dare do? C'mon now, the Arab world REEKS of humilation. What has the arab world contributed to the world (besides oil) in the last century or two? How many wars have they won against non-arab countries? If that were the case, you all should just blow yourselves up to save face. :roll:

[wreck]

Peaceful hey?

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/rdonlyres/4FFA61A3-9C33-4597-A8D9-8079E91F2784/37060/27EE4359CC5D4FEC811D6B3567277D57.jpg

"and here's what Islam looks like" ?



Double standards in the arab world.
rofl

And here's what freedom looks like
http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/mirror/apr2004/5/0/000ECF93-F2DC-1091-8AB280C328EC0000.jpg

So by that logic... because some muslims are suicide bombers that means all muslims are crazed suicide bombers ?

Just like some people in the american army commit inhuman acts against prisioners ... that means all do right ?

[Jack Mehoff]

wreck couldn't take his own medicine.




Double standards in the arab world.
rofl

And here's what freedom looks like
http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/mirror/apr2004/5/0/000ECF93-F2DC-1091-8AB280C328EC0000.jpg

[budanski]

rofl

And here's what freedom looks like
http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/mirror/apr2004/5/0/000ECF93-F2DC-1091-8AB280C328EC0000.jpg

Learn to recognise "STAGED" and actual abuses.

[weedman]

What happened to the democracy?

Nowadays, some Americans try to reckon up their doings with the doings of terrible dictatorships they want to neutralize. :roll:

[Kilgor]

What happened to the democracy?

:

Democracy doesnt come overnight after 30 years of abuse.

[Jack Mehoff]

What happened to the democracy?

Nowadays, some Americans try to reckon up their doings with the doings of terrible dictatorships they want to neutralize. :roll:

Try to do this when Saddam was still in power......moron


http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1175000/images/_1177318_iraq300.jpg

[budanski]

Nowadays, some Americans try to reckon up their doings with the doings of terrible dictatorships they want to neutralize. :roll:

Yeah, some Germans still have us beat (http://www.parascope.com/gallery/galleryitems/holocaust/).

[Kilgor]

or try to hold ANY religious gathering.

Or view satalite tv.

Or speak out against the government.

[citizen-k]

Still not as vile as a human pyramid. </sarcasm>


just because saddam did it doesn't justifty the acts of the MPs. \.

We never said it did justify.

Just wondering where is the world condemnation and especially arab, to such acts that happen every day in countries like Saudi arabia and Iran.

Or Syria & Lebanon ;)

I bet One & Eurofriends didn't give a **** when Assad (Syria) Or Hussain (Jordan) killed thousands of people every day.

[Kilgor]

Nowadays, some Americans try to reckon up their doings with the doings of terrible dictatorships they want to neutralize. :roll:

Nah, you guys still have us beat (http://www.parascope.com/gallery/galleryitems/holocaust/).

rofl

I think there is alot of german guilt and frustration built up over the years about the holocaust.

They so want the US to the evil villian of the world, so that in some twisted way it will wash away the blood stains of their history.

[budanski]

Or Syria & Lebanon ;)

I bet One & Eurofriends didn't give a f*** when Assad (Syria) Or Hussain (Jordan) killed thousands of people every day.

Why? as long as it wasnt committed by Americans and Israelis, who cares? ;)

[Marmot1]

What happened to the democracy?

Nowadays, some Americans try to reckon up their doings with the doings of terrible dictatorships they want to neutralize. :roll:

Try to do this when Saddam was still in power......moron


http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1175000/images/_1177318_iraq300.jpg

Wrong example jack look who is on poster on this photo... is this saddam or I am wrong? This is PRO SADDAM DEMONSTRATION...

[Jack Mehoff]

You don't get it do you? Unlike Saddam, these pro-Saddam protesters WILL NOT get mow down with machineguns by the Coalition if they go on a protest unless they are armed with RPGs (http://www.sltrib.com/2004/May/05162004/images/nwbagidd.jpg)



Let me make it simple for you to understand. Anybody who likes to protest against the Coalition will not get shot. Anybody who likes to
protest against Saddam(when he was still in power) will die.

I don't give a damn who is in the photo holding up by some protesters. I care about what's happening in that picture, and that is Iraqis people are freely express their dislike for their current government without any fear of reprisal. Of course not all Iraqis dislike the current government.

Is this answer your question and weedman's question about democracy?

[n.ignomo]

Anybody won't, some will and sometimes the wrong ones. :|

[FLaKKeY]

Where are UN ?

Probably enjoying a massive 10 course tax payer funded lunch ?

america is the un. these days..probably the only country that will stand up and grab someone by the ba**s..

[Aegirsson]

How nice of you to care for the Iraqis who did absolutely nothing to overthrow Saddam, a brutal dictator who funded Islamist terrorism.

Like when USA prevented the irakian revolution (14 july 1958) to "contaminate" nearby countries by sending 20000 marines the next day in lebannon?
If they had not do it , the popular impulse coming from Irak would certainly have break down the dependents and rotted régimes of Beyrouth and Amman.
6600 britannic paras were released too in jordan.

The irakians tried many times to have their revolution, because there is only one way to get rid of dictats, but the west always stopped them and armed the dictator's forces.

But yeah, if you were them, you would have saved your country only with your hands against gazes and tanks.

[Frens]

Allah is g@y!

[Shiruzu]

Where are UN ?

Probably enjoying a massive 10 course tax payer funded lunch ?

america is the un. these days..probably the only country that will stand up and grab someone by the ba**s..

Well, the US doesn't pay their taxes to the UN, so the "10-course-dinner" is surely not funded by the USA ;)

[fdt]

Argyll where RU?
Time to apply some Glade here...

This thread has developed wrong way...

http://www.racingtrack.de/****_award/bilder/****.gif

[Argyll]

Argyll where RU?
Time to apply some Glade here...

This thread has developed wrong way...

http://www.racingtrack.de/****_award/bilder/****.gif


I love that icon...................ok Topic locked...........the intentions were good,but the responses and Bull**** that followed sadly ruined a descent thread!