multicam in 2010? [Archive]

I3uller

11-09-2007, 08:28 AM

Big Bad Bob

11-09-2007, 08:55 AM

Im hearing internet rumors, oh and BTW i heard rumors were getting laser beams too, on the HK416 next month is going to replace the M4/M-16 :roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

seraosha

11-09-2007, 09:14 AM

With the amount of cash and equipment/gear/uniforms etc...invested in the current camo, I wouldn't hold my breath for multicam.

How long was woodland the standard? That would be my estimate for the "shelf-life" of the current Army camo.

lt tahoe

11-09-2007, 10:37 AM

[grabs e-tool and starts digging] This thread is going to be awesome...

ZoneOne

11-09-2007, 11:05 AM

wild_wild_wes

11-09-2007, 11:16 AM

I don't! Change for change's sake in uniforms seems to be in order in the US Mil right now: ACU, ABU, NAVPAT, etc...

hammerlock

11-09-2007, 11:42 AM

I can't see it happening as someone in the higher ups would have to admit they make a mistake and wasted billions on the ACU and also admit it doesn't work as a camo. But who knows maybe after Bush is gone and new gov't wants to have a clean new look for the army... maybe it might happen.

Hispeed1

11-09-2007, 12:04 PM

heard an ever so tantalyzing rumor that the us army is adopting multicam in three years...if only
on a random note i see the stuff on the people who dont really exist here in baghdad a lot...works great

Yes, the "people who don't exist" over there in your neck of the woods do sport some Multicam, contrary to what some people in these threads say. But as for the rumor of Multicam for the US Army, US armed forces in 2010? No.

Hispeed1

11-09-2007, 12:05 PM

Big Bad Bob

11-09-2007, 12:37 PM

I think that rumor is just a bunch of B.S. because I've heard that by 2009 we will all be wearing these...
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5347/ffwexoskeltonvt9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I find it hard to believe they would change camo twice in 2 years.

;-)

I agree! As much as the Army has spent on not only the uniform, but the IBA, Molle gear etc. I think they will find it hard to justify a fashion statment move. I mean to be perfectly honest we could be out there is DCU's and still kickin A** and taking names. I think these rumors just get spread by gearqueers who do not care about what the Army does but how it looks.

wayneard3413

11-09-2007, 12:56 PM

**** i could care less about the pattern i would just be happy if they could make a pair of pants that would allow me to not blow the crotch out in less then a month and a half

SMGLee

11-09-2007, 01:50 PM

**** i could care less about the pattern i would just be happy if they could make a pair of pants that would allow me to not blow the crotch out in less then a month and a half

I shot with some guys that had those ACUs, one of them had the crotch split wide open... he duct taped it and shot the rest of day like that... it was cool the duct tape was OD...LOL

wayneard3413

11-09-2007, 02:04 PM

Haha im sure our Fobbits would rather us have foliage green tape as to match the rest of our gear lol

James

11-09-2007, 02:17 PM

on a random note i see the stuff on the people who dont really exist here in baghdad a lot...works great

What they wear has nothing whatsoever to do with what the big Army wears. In A'Stan you see "people who don't exist" wearing Carhartts and Real tree hunting camo for adventures in the mountains... I doubt the military is going to adopt that either.

crazyman

11-09-2007, 02:58 PM

ive been pretty much out of contact with the whole world the last couple months thanks to the COP life in baghdad, but i did hear something about an annoucement made in army times....now that being said i know full well that army times is about as reliable as the national equirer, but i can dream dammit!

as far as all those fun people that we're not supposed to know about, yea i know they wear whatever they want, but it seems like multicam is really catching on throughout the various fun groups out there

also, since someone mentioned blowing the crotch out on ACUS (3 of my 6 pairs are now "vented") the multicam combat pants have a zipper deal going on down there so you can do #1 or #2 without taking your pants off.

thank you and good night

wild_wild_wes

11-09-2007, 03:05 PM

#2! We live in an age of miracles and wonders!

MichaelF

11-09-2007, 03:53 PM

No Multicam for general issue.

Not before 2012, at the earliest.

It's not even being looked at (the Crye stuff was a "distinctive look" for OFW/FFW teams only) by PEO Soldier.

Robbee

11-09-2007, 08:24 PM

the multicam combat pants have a zipper deal going on down there so you can do #1 or #2 without taking your pants off.

Wouldn't underwear "get in the way" of that idea?

wayneard3413

11-09-2007, 08:33 PM

Actually the version 2 pants from Crye doesnt sport the zipper anyway... And here i actually got excited about a useful feature haha

ZoneOne

11-10-2007, 01:23 AM

I agree! As much as the Army has spent on not only the uniform, but the IBA, Molle gear etc. I think they will find it hard to justify a fashion statment move. I mean to be perfectly honest we could be out there is DCU's and still kickin A** and taking names. I think these rumors just get spread by gearqueers who do not care about what the Army does but how it looks.

You do know I was joking...

Is there an Icon for SARCASM...? anywhere...?

BloodyTalon

11-10-2007, 01:53 AM

What's with the constant fanboyism over Multicam? I saw it used by Berkeley SWAT when i volunteered for Urban Shield and to be perfectly honest i didn't see anything special about it that warrants completely replacing ACUs.

Now what i wish the Army would do is find ways to improve our ACUs, especially find a way to make removing stains not require at least three cycles in a washing machine.

theholeinthedonut

11-10-2007, 03:15 AM

Wouldn't underwear "get in the way" of that idea?

Better the underwear then something else........

crazyman

11-10-2007, 01:29 PM

they call it "going commando" for a reason

supercontra

11-12-2007, 05:05 AM

Or use the
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/217/508174482_17904d8994_o.jpg

wayneard3413

11-12-2007, 09:33 AM

^^^^ See now the only problem with that this us wussy lil Americans would get a little chilly sporting that in Ass-crackastan

Sand Man

11-12-2007, 09:46 AM

Is that bulletproof, supercontra?

zonk

11-12-2007, 09:49 AM

**** i could care less about the pattern i would just be happy if they could make a pair of pants that would allow me to not blow the crotch out in less then a month and a half

seems you and i are on the same sheet of music about that, acu's are poorly stitched, whether they are 1 day old or 1 year old you can break the stitchings very easily...and i thought dcu's were bad

supercontra

11-12-2007, 09:50 AM

Is that bulletproof, supercontra?

Are ACU's?

GoSka37

11-12-2007, 09:54 AM

Is that bulletproof, supercontra?

It has a Plate Carrier.

Sand Man

11-12-2007, 09:58 AM

Are ACU's?

You didn't think I was serious, did you? p-)

On a serious note, if the US Army decides to order ACUs for a million troops, will it be ordering from just one supplier or will there be several?

I don't really have any idea about how the bidding and procurement process goes but I'm inclined to think that with that many people, I don't think one company is able to provide all that stuff -- at least not without sacrificing quality, that is.

Sand Man

11-12-2007, 10:01 AM

It has a Plate Carrier.

Oh, OK. Is that what those 6 buttons are for?

Hey I didn't mean to offend. If that is really issued to some foreign army then I apologize.

GoSka37

11-12-2007, 10:03 AM

That would be correct. It also supports Soft Plates for the flanks.

wayneard3413

11-12-2007, 10:04 AM

Sand Man, trust me if they sacrifice any more quality on the ACU's then we will be out there with a wash towel wrapped around us... They are pretty rough

crazyman

11-13-2007, 03:56 AM

so far i'm averaging one crotch blown out on my acu pants a month here in baghdad, its killing me. seems like everytime i take a knee or jump out of a stryker i hear a rip getting just a little bit bigger than before

Crewdog

11-21-2007, 12:45 AM

seems you and i are on the same sheet of music about that, acu's are poorly stitched, whether they are 1 day old or 1 year old you can break the stitchings very easily...and i thought dcu's were bad

Sorry to necro this thread a little bit....

One of my gaming buddies blew the crotch out of his ACU's on day two of a 7 day patrol. He was rto and accompanied his platoon leader everywhere... including when he talked to village elders and such.

He's not exactly a small guy and every chance he got he would prop his foot up on something.... bumper, tree stump, rock... and just sorta let it all hang out. He said the funniest part was wathcing these villagers try with every bit of self control in them to not look at his package.

And he would just grin at them... :lol:

USArmyWS6

02-25-2009, 05:47 AM

Hey sorry guys I know this thread is old as hell. I just got back from OEF a little while ago, I did see some SF guys wearing Multicam and I must say it looks and works awesome.

On an ACU note how ever, everytime I left the wire they made us wear ACUII's which were made of Nomex. The entire uniform fits alot looser and is definatly alot less ****e to that crotch rip were all so familiar with. Even though since I had brand new uniforms issued to me they did the whole double stitch thing to the new pants and I didnt have a problem. I was to lazy to exchange uniforms so I wore the same 4 or 5 through out my deployment. But over all ACU pattern doesnt really work, the only times Ive ever seen it work is when the uniform is dirty as **** it tends to to almost absorb the dirt and it actually blends in very well.

One more thing, a SSG in my unit got married to a SF operator and he mentioned something about the Army adopting Multicam, sadly how ever I dont see it happening after weve invested so much money into ACU's. Plus the economy sucks ass right now.

Sorry I know the thread old but just wanted to put my two cents in.

Mackie

02-25-2009, 07:22 AM

What will airsofters wear to look uberspecial in 2010?

Frens

02-25-2009, 07:54 AM

What will airsofters wear to look uberspecial in 2010?

ACU

p-)

Alpha-17

02-25-2009, 08:45 AM

Hey sorry guys I know this thread is old as hell. I just got back from OEF a little while ago, I did see some SF guys wearing Multicam and I must say it looks and works awesome.

One more thing, a SSG in my unit got married to a SF operator and he mentioned something about the Army adopting Multicam, sadly how ever I dont see it happening after weve invested so much money into ACU's. Plus the economy sucks ass right now.

Sorry I know the thread old but just wanted to put my two cents in.

There were several Air Force Combat Controllers with us on our last JFEX, and they were wearing MultiCam. Some the ACU-style Tru-Spec stuff, others looked like the Paraclete style. It looked good, except you could easily pic them out of the crowd of guys wearing ACU.

And I've been hearing increasly numerious rumors saying the same thing. The most interesting thing I've heard was from one of our new cherries; he said the company behind them in Basic was issued a set up MultiCam along with their ACUs. Initial Phasing in perhaps?

ACU

p-)
That's what I was going to say.

USArmyWS6

02-25-2009, 09:28 AM

[quote=Alpha-17;3949282]There were several Air Force Combat Controllers with us on our last JFEX, and they were wearing MultiCam. Some the ACU-style Tru-Spec stuff, others looked like the Paraclete style. It looked good, except you could easily pic them out of the crowd of guys wearing ACU.

And I've been hearing increasly numerious rumors saying the same thing. The most interesting thing I've heard was from one of our new cherries; he said the company behind them in Basic was issued a set up MultiCam along with their ACUs. Initial Phasing in perhaps?

What no way?! They're issueing multicams? Oh man I better get some issued then How credible do you think this new guy is? Maybe itll come true? Hopefully its built out of the same stuff the BDU's were, I really like the MARPAT uniform cause it has button's to secure the pockets. I saw some Marines that had a velcro patch on their shoulder pockets too, hopefully the Army will pick up on it.

Mackie

02-25-2009, 09:33 AM

ACU

p-)

Time to invent a new ubercool camo rip off some airsofters. p-)

PG18

02-25-2009, 09:35 AM

wow.. another thread for airsoft bashing..:cantbeli:

Mackie

02-25-2009, 09:39 AM

wow.. another thread for airsoft bashing..:cantbeli:

No offense. Only fun about posers. ;-)

PG18

02-25-2009, 09:42 AM

No offense. Only fun about posers. ;-)

but you are generalizing right?p-)

if you say airsoft posers then your gtg..
if you just say airsofters then you are talking of the whole group.

just so you know that some of the these young kids that majority of you cats made fun of are the future soldiers and defenders of their country. :)

Kap

02-25-2009, 09:53 AM

There were several Air Force Combat Controllers with us on our last JFEX, and they were wearing MultiCam. Some the ACU-style Tru-Spec stuff, others looked like the Paraclete style. It looked good, except you could easily pic them out of the crowd of guys wearing ACU.

And I've been hearing increasly numerious rumors saying the same thing. The most interesting thing I've heard was from one of our new cherries; he said the company behind them in Basic was issued a set up MultiCam along with their ACUs. Initial Phasing in perhaps?

That's what I was going to say.

I doubt it is a phase in, they are probably testing it again. I almost wouldn't believe that "cherry" if I were you. I know I won't believe it until I see it with my own eyes at least... :)

Switek

02-25-2009, 09:56 AM

Firefly26

02-25-2009, 09:58 AM

What no way?! They're issueing multicams?

I couldn't help it... but someone needs to put the bolded statement into an intrawebz catz photo.

Frens

02-25-2009, 10:05 AM

oh btw,
a couple of weeks ago I received an order for some different names and "US ARMY" nametapes in multicam from a Ranger.

my guess is that Multicam will be used only by non standard troops...

USArmyWS6

02-25-2009, 01:19 PM

oh btw,
a couple of weeks ago I received an order for some different names and "US ARMY" nametapes in multicam from a Ranger.

my guess is that Multicam will be used only by non standard troops...

Well sometimes the Ranger and SF guys get to try stuff out before its available to conventional forces.

Mackie

02-25-2009, 01:30 PM

but you are generalizing right?p-)

if you say airsoft posers then your gtg..
if you just say airsofters then you are talking of the whole group.

just so you know that some of the these young kids that majority of you cats made fun of are the future soldiers and defenders of their country. :)

Generally I am against this "scenario" shooters, simulating war.
A funny paintball game is ok but get away with camo or realistic stuff.
Same opinion about video games like COD4.
But that's off topic.
Back to multicam 2010. :)

Personally I am bit surprised that nobody think it's a waste of money introducing new camo in this economical crisis. Or is it more about the quality?

Firefly26

02-25-2009, 02:49 PM

Generally I am against this "scenario" shooters, simulating war.
A funny paintball game is ok but get away with camo or realistic stuff.
Same opinion about video games like COD4.
But that's off topic.
Back to multicam 2010. :)

Personally I am bit surprised that nobody think it's a waste of money introducing new camo in this economical crisis. Or is it more about the quality?

If spending money on camo that will reduce the loss of soldiers' lives over another that only works in certain conditions, I am all for it. I really think the big waste of money was going for ACU in the first place. It works now, but only under conditions we truly contrive for it. DCU was a perfect desert pattern, but the cut and material sucked. BDUs the same with the cut. Both did their jobs better in their own intended environments than what we have now, which is only succeeding due to successful mission execution. I'm not jumping on you and see your point but, the financial problem of buying this camo is "inherited".

If we ever get into a fight when fieldcraft matters again, that is where ACU will present its mistake in design. But for now we seem to be safe, and somewhat trendy.

Alpha-17

02-25-2009, 06:34 PM

I doubt it is a phase in, they are probably testing it again. I almost wouldn't believe that "cherry" if I were you. I know I won't believe it until I see it with my own eyes at least... :)

I've thus far taken it with a grain of salt.... far too many rumors to believe everything I've heard, but I thought it worth passing along.

Personally I am bit surprised that nobody think it's a waste of money introducing new camo in this economical crisis. Or is it more about the quality?

It could be argued that spending the money for a new uniform could actually help the economy.... pumping money into the system and all that. When the Army went from OD to the ERDL leafy suits, the late '70's economic down turn was in full force. Wouldn't be with out precedent.