D.C. imam declares Muslim takeover-plan...

[RxOnco]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58616

"...A Washington, D.C., imam states explicitly on the website for his organization (http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://www.sabiqun.net/join.html) that he is part of a movement working toward replacement of the U.S. government with "the Islamic State of North America" by 2050..."

If this is true, wouldn't this be a prime qualification for treason?

[vinny_121_ND]

Prophet Muhammad (saw) once said: “When you see an evil, you must change it with your hand. If you cannot do so, then change it with your tongue. If you cannot do this, then (detest it) with your heart, and that is the weakest degree of faith.”
We must use whatever Allah (swt) gives us to make this world a better place.
Any business person will readily tell you that one of the most important factors for a business to flourish is “Location, location, location.” People of the world are crying for help. You and I, here in America, are living in the best location to change the world for good.


I think his intentions are for the best for americans. He is inviting americans to understand islam, and perhaps become muslim. He is not forcing you. He is not asking for taliban style of rule.

if you read the last paragraph of
http://www.sabiqun.net/about_us.html

his intentions are clearly for peaceful purposes. If I erased all the koran verses and just left his overall intentions for a better america, I think you would agree. I think this worldnetdaily report was a typical knee jerk islamophobic response when it comes to islam.

[Chulo]

I think his intentions are for the best for americans. He is inviting americans to understand islam, and perhaps become muslim. He is not forcing you. He is not asking for taliban style of rule.

if you read the last paragraph of
http://www.sabiqun.net/about_us.html

his intentions are clearly for peaceful purposes. If I erased all the koran verses and just left his overall intentions for a better america, I think you would agree. I think this worldnetdaily report was a typical knee jerk islamophobic response when it comes to islam.
if you could erase all the koranic verses that go against "western" culture, you wont be left with much of the Koran- Do you believe fundamental islam or the liberal Islam is the real islam, and can Islam become less fundamental without breaking its own laws? I would say No to the second question, liberal islam goes against quite a few teachings of the Koran

[RxOnco]

I (http://I) think this worldnetdaily report was a typical knee jerk islamophobic response when it comes to islam.

When someone is saying that they intend on replacing our government with an Islamic state, I don't think any response would be a knee-jerk response.

[LMAV]

I think his intentions are for the best for americans. He is inviting americans to understand islam, and perhaps become muslim. He is not forcing you. He is not asking for taliban style of rule.

if you read the last paragraph of
http://www.sabiqun.net/about_us.html

his intentions are clearly for peaceful purposes. If I erased all the koran verses and just left his overall intentions for a better america, I think you would agree. I think this worldnetdaily report was a typical knee jerk islamophobic response when it comes to islam.

Is this a fake post? The last part might be true, but something tells me you would be up in arms if this were Pat Robertson.

[vinny_121_ND]

well, I disagree that islam will take over the us government in 40 years. I'm just saying, what is wrong with him inviting people in to understand islam? What do people here have against him? Is being muslim a problem in the united states?

edit: I'm not an american, I'm canadian, and here, we don't really seem to have any problems with muslims. they do their things, they invite people like me to attend sessions, very informal. Nobody has a problem. They speak out against osama bin laden and associates, and they're hard working, nothing wrong with them.

[vinny_121_ND]

K, I understand a lot of people don't want islam in the US government, but so far, Keith Ellison in congress and Georgia mayor Jack ellis are in positions of some degree of power over american citizens and they are muslims. It's not much, but over time, the fact that more and more muslims will be voted in to govern americans maybe a reality. Does anyone agree or disagree?
If not, why did they get voted?

[Albatross]

anyone ever heard of "wildfire"?

[vinny_121_ND]

When someone is saying that they intend on replacing our government with an Islamic state, I don't think any response would be a knee-jerk response.

Course not. It's a very serious matter, but how would they do so?

[gaijinsamurai]

This is not something that particularly worries me.

[Dasein]

There are plenty of religious groups out there who want to see secular government replaced with their particular brand of religion. While I certainly disagree with the idea, I also do not see how it is treasonous to say one wishes to see the US government replaced by an Islamic state or Christian theocracy or any other form of government.

[chrisdef]

if you could erase all the koranic verses that go against "western" culture, you wont be left with much of the Koran- Do you believe fundamental islam or the liberal Islam is the real islam, and can Islam become less fundamental without breaking its own laws? I would say No to the second question, liberal islam goes against quite a few teachings of the Koran

Ahh pretty sure the real bible would be totally against "western" culture too. Wasnt breaking the commandments originally punishable by death in the "real" bible? And arent most "fundamental" christians still against gays and abortion ect?? Liberal christianity is no diff to liberal islam. If the bible is 100% to the word true there are going to be millions of practising christians going to hell.

[Kampfbaer]

How much Muslims are there in the US?

I´m sure there are only greater numbers in the metropolitan areas, so even 40 years into the future they should pose no big concern.

I see bigger problems in western European cities like Berlin, Paris, Brussels, London and so on, where at least sizeable districts of the cities might be "governed" by islamic parties in the not so distant future.

[seraosha]

The U.S. of A is a Christian country, with a strong separation of church and state. Sharia isn't going to usurp common law any time soon, nor will a mosque replace your local church.

But that doesn't mean that the planned infiltration, consolidation, and isolation won't occur, as mapped out on that website.

This is how Islam has been spread for centuries; do your homework.

[Chulo]

Ahh pretty sure the real bible would be totally against "western" culture too. Wasnt breaking the commandments originally punishable by death in the "real" bible? And arent most "fundamental" christians still against gays and abortion ect?? Liberal christianity is no diff to liberal islam. If the bible is 100% to the word true there are going to be millions of practising christians going to hell.
maybe you can try understanding Christianity a bit more and understand that there are 2 Testaments - and the New Testament that Christians believe in does not ask any one to be killed. As for you Fundamental Christians, i dont know any main Fundamental Group that ask/DOES kill people for being gay or aborting a child. While in some Muslim lead countries you will see them being killed and stoned.
as for your millions of Christians going to hell, do you know enough of Christianity to understand the subject of Salvation?

[SOG]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58616

"...A Washington, D.C., imam states explicitly on the website for his organization (http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://www.sabiqun.net/join.html) that he is part of a movement working toward replacement of the U.S. government with "the Islamic State of North America" by 2050..."

If this is true, wouldn't this be a prime qualification for treason?

yeah, i'd like to see how this genius is going to convert that many catholic mexicans in the US to islam. whatever, we all set goals.

plus in 50 years ill be dead, so **** you all!

[rwak9]

scary how honest they are about their intentions and how we nevertheless persist in sticking our heads in the sand.

[LaoSexMachine]

We all have dreams. I would like the US to start building an Imperial star fleet.

[Firetxmi]

maybe you can try understanding Christianity a bit more and understand that there are 2 Testaments - and the New Testament that Christians believe in does not ask any one to be killed. As for you Fundamental Christians, i dont know any main Fundamental Group that ask/DOES kill people for being gay or aborting a child. While in some Muslim lead countries you will see them being killed and stoned.
as for your millions of Christians going to hell, do you know enough of Christianity to understand the subject of Salvation?

So you are telling me that Christians should not follow the Old Testament?

[Chulo]

So you are telling me that Christians should not follow the Old Testament?
Christians should follow the main rule and teaching of Christ foremost, the Old Testament is the foundational basis but like Jesus said himself the old laws have been replaced and a new Covenant has been made. So study the Old Testament and understand it in light of the New Testament , but remember that in following Christ, Christians are held to a higher Law than that of the Old Testament.

[Dasein]

Christians should follow the main rule and teaching of Christ foremost, the Old Testament is the foundational basis but like Jesus said himself the old laws have been replaced and a new Covenant has been made. So study the Old Testament and understand it in light of the New Testament , but remember that in following Christ, Christians are held to a higher Law than that of the Old Testament.

While this is an accurate explanation of Christian doctrine, it doesn't reflect the nature of Christianity as it is often advocated in a political context.

[Chulo]

While this is an accurate explanation of Christian doctrine, it doesn't reflect the nature of Christianity as it is often advocated in a political context.
the problem with a political context is that its one of the extreams and not the mean. There will always be differences in a large number of people, but its always the noisy ones that get noticed. One can point fingers at a person for being a bad Christian, but you most probably are missing out the other good Christians around them. No one is perfect, and just because you become a Christian doesnt mean you become perfect, rather you strive to be a better person.

[shocker1]

If the bible is 100% to the word true there are going to be millions of practising christians going to hell.
Wide is the gate and straight the path to hell.

Funny how this went from an Imam declaring political jihad in the US and it quickly turn to a debate on Christians. Nice pass

[kahn267]

Its the same in Australia and everywhere else
These Imams want to take over wherever they are and impliment Sharia Law. I dont understand how governments can allow Muslim immigrants if their laws and teachings forbid them to assimilate into Western culture.

*Note I'm not racist or intolerant to muslims but in today's times its making it harder for me.

[Hollis]

Funny how this went from an Imam declaring political jihad in the US and it quickly turn to a debate on Christians. Nice pass


Funny how that happens,

[gaijinsamurai]

X2. (rolls eyes)

[Firetxmi]

the problem with a political context is that its one of the extreams and not the mean. There will always be differences in a large number of people, but its always the noisy ones that get noticed. One can point fingers at a person for being a bad Christian, but you most probably are missing out the other good Christians around them. No one is perfect, and just because you become a Christian doesnt mean you become perfect, rather you strive to be a better person.

Couldn't the same be said for moderate Muslims?

[vinny_121_ND]

Its the same in Australia and everywhere else
These Imams want to take over wherever they are and impliment Sharia Law. I dont understand how governments can allow Muslim immigrants if their laws and teachings forbid them to assimilate into Western culture.

*Note I'm not racist or intolerant to muslims but in today's times its making it harder for me.

I have to agree. Sharia law is pretty scary restrictive for even a guy like me. I've heard enough bad stories that came out of australia in the past few years. I don't mind them as long as they don't start imposing their values and traditions upon others.

[Firetxmi]

I don't mind them as long as they don't start imposing their values and traditions upon others.

I have the same feeling about Christianity.

[shocker1]

I have the same feeling about Christianity.
Really? Why not start a thread about it so we can discuss the Imam issue here? So besides the one God, love Jesus doctrine please tell us what moral ills give you these feelings when you make that thread? Better yet revive the religion thread and hash it out there. Stop trying to use moral relativism to bring in criticism of Christians into a thread about radical Islamic issues.:|

[Laworkerbee]

How much Muslims are there in the US?

I´m sure there are only greater numbers in the metropolitan areas, so even 40 years into the future they should pose no big concern.

I see bigger problems in western European cities like Berlin, Paris, Brussels, London and so on, where at least sizeable districts of the cities might be "governed" by islamic parties in the not so distant future.

X2 Europe's lack of assimilation worries me.

[Firetxmi]

Really? Why not start a thread about it so we can discuss the Imam issue here? So besides the one God, love Jesus doctrine please tell us what moral ills give you these feelings when you make that thread? Better yet revive the religion thread and hash it out there. Stop trying to use moral relativism to bring in criticism of Christians into a thread about radical Islamic issues.:|

I am Catholic myself. I do not like it when protestants come forcing s*** down my throat or telling me I am not "a real Christian". In reply to the quoted comment I was saying that I feel the same way about Christianity as he does about Islam. Just pointing out a similarity that is all.

Ya know I like ya Shocker!

[shocker1]

I am Catholic myself. Ya know I like ya Shocker!
I see the problem now.p-) So is this the same as Catholics calling me a Protestant heretic and fallen from the way? At least y'all are not burning us heretics at the stake/steak anymore. Much better treatment than from the Islamists.

[Firetxmi]

I see the problem now.p-) So is this the same as Catholics calling me a Protestant heretic and fallen from the way? At least y'all are not burning us heretics at the stake/steak anymore. Much better treatment than from the Islamists.

I don't like it when ANY religion forces stuff down anyones throat!

[shocker1]

Yeah, and the materialistic secular world forcing things down my throat is making me mad too.

[Dasein]

X2 Europe's lack of assimilation worries me.

Assimilation works both ways - look at how the sizable Irish Catholic populations transformed many cities like Boston, New York and Chicago.

[Laworkerbee]

Assimilation works both ways - look at how the sizable Irish Catholic populations transformed many cities like Boston, New York and Chicago.

True but American assimilation works much like the Borg, we take what we like and make it our own.

[seraosha]

I'll throw a wide net out and tell you there is a lot of good things in the Q'uran and Islam...but the whole "take what you like from it and chuck the rest" doesn't apply here...there has been no reformation in Islam, no updates, no evolution of ideas since, oh the last 1,400 years or so.

There are very clear passages in the Q'uran forbidding the kind of cultural assimilation that's encouraged in Christianity.

“Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s” has no comparable passage in Islam, that I'm aware of.

[Dasein]

I'll throw a wide net out and tell you there is a lot of good things in the Q'uran and Islam...but the whole "take what you like from it and chuck the rest" doesn't apply here...there has been no reformation in Islam, no updates, no evolution of ideas since, oh the last 1,400 years or so.

That's simply not true. There have been many theological shifts in Islam, and there remain a number of different schools of Islamic scholarship and law. Look, for example, at the role if ijtihad versus taqlid in Islamic law, and you'll see an obvious change.

Really, Islamism, or political Islam, is a fairly recent movement, having it's roots in the Salafist movement that developed in the 18th and 19th centuries, and solidified by the political interpretation of Islam of Sayyid Qatb in the 20th century.

[Mastermind]

It is really rather interesting to read the kool-aid drinkers responses to this kind of article. Please...I strongly suggest if you think what the Imam is saying is just a vote for peace throughout the world, please read more about the Muslim dogma...study it. Their plan is clearly laid out for everyone to see. They will not quit...they will push to the limit and if no one pushes back, they will dissolve all Western civilization in time. Right now, by the way things are going, I don't think they will achieve their goal by 2050...I personally think it will be much sooner.

[vinny_121_ND]

It is really rather interesting to read the kool-aid drinkers responses to this kind of article. Please...I strongly suggest if you think what the Imam is saying is just a vote for peace throughout the world, please read more about the Muslim dogma...study it. Their plan is clearly laid out for everyone to see. They will not quit...they will push to the limit and if no one pushes back, they will dissolve all Western civilization in time. Right now, by the way things are going, I don't think they will achieve their goal by 2050...I personally think it will be much sooner.

Really. I've been giving it more thought lately and I think you're right. I really don't want to have america to be like europe where immigrants don't have to learn english because there are enough enclaves to support themselves.

In terms of having it much sooner than 2050, ... I don't know. I haven't really studied the population growth of muslims in canada and the united states.

[chrisdef]

maybe you can try understanding Christianity a bit more and understand that there are 2 Testaments - and the New Testament that Christians believe in does not ask any one to be killed. As for you Fundamental Christians, i dont know any main Fundamental Group that ask/DOES kill people for being gay or aborting a child. While in some Muslim lead countries you will see them being killed and stoned.
as for your millions of Christians going to hell, do you know enough of Christianity to understand the subject of Salvation?

Admittedly i may have phrased it wrong but it was a question about the commandments not a statement. So who decided the new testament was the one to be used?

I agree about the difference of severity i wasnt trying to say they are they same by any means, fundamental muslims are def worse but christians being against gays, abortion, ect IS still against modern western values.

And as for salvation is that like asking for/being given forgiveness? You think christians that drink, have *** before marriage, or even just support gays abortion ect will suddenly become sorry for that and be "saved" before they die? As i said if the bible is 100% correct there is no middle ground is there? You either follow gods word and go to heaven if not then your going to hell. Your own books say that dont they?

[Mastermind]

Read Christian history and you will see who and why of the New Testament. It's pretty darn good reading, actually, if you are a history buff...but also read about other religions...well established ones, like Islam and Judaism. Their histories are not at all what the general belief is. there is an excellent book that has a very clear and dramatic reading on it...although it is a rather large book...It is called "James the Brother of Jesus"...don't be fooled by the title it is not a religious book...it is a very insightful history of the rise of the modern religions and their foundations based almost entirely on solid history. When you have read and studied, then you begin to see what it is that has begun our troubles today.

Religionists are the most dedicated fighters...they believe they are fighting for God (their version there of) directly and that their reward truly lies in heaven. There is no greater determination or motivation for a fighting man than that. Our people of today have become so secularized they have small foundations on which to base their lives. However, Muslims, trapped in the 12th century, have not a psyche based on faith alone....they have a belief so strong they have a foundation of knowing with all their heart what they are doing is right and they have absolutely no doubt their reward awaits them. In other words, they are motivated by something even stronger than just faith.

So, the issue is not a practical matter of just numbers and demographics. It is a question of pure strength of character. If the Western nations do not somehow develop a means to reinforce the fiber of their people and their youth in particular, they are truly headed for the same demise as other cultures now extinct. The stronger culture always wins out in the end.

Muslims believe in God, the universe and everything in-between is worth dying for…western people believe in going to the mall…which culture is stronger? Which will survive the other?

[Chulo]

Admittedly i may have phrased it wrong but it was a question about the commandments not a statement. So who decided the new testament was the one to be used?

I agree about the difference of severity i wasnt trying to say they are they same by any means, fundamental muslims are def worse but christians being against gays, abortion, ect IS still against modern western values.

And as for salvation is that like asking for/being given forgiveness? You think christians that drink, have *** before marriage, or even just support gays abortion ect will suddenly become sorry for that and be "saved" before they die? As i said if the bible is 100% correct there is no middle ground is there? You either follow gods word and go to heaven if not then your going to hell. Your own books say that dont they?
that would be God.

Humm, modern western values? where do you think western values came from? i would say "modern western values" go against its basic foundational value system.

As for your question on salvation, its a long and complicated personal subject that i would be happy to talk to you through PMs since it would just derail this thread

[vinny_121_ND]

Humm, modern western values? where do you think western values came from? i would say "modern western values" go against its basic foundational value system.

I understand that. Tolerance of Pre-marital ***, homo******ity, drugs (from afghanistan and south america), abortion, fornication, freedom of religion and alcohol. This is more like western lifestyle than western 'values'. The term 'western values' is itself a strange phrase.

[Dercius]

The term 'western values' is itself a strange phrase.

Well, perhaps is just a way to say that you lack the values apreciated by other cultures, such as: Women are inferior lifeforms so they dont deserve civil rights and should be beaten whenever its considered necessary by its husband or father, hanging of homo******s, all infidels must be converted or destroyed and so on.

May be its just demagogy , but I still prefer my "western values". And I´m sure that the mothers,sisters and daughters of lot of people round here are quite happy to have this "western values".

The only good thing if the USA becames an muslim nation is that it will still be the USA......... United States of Allah :):):)

[chrisdef]

that would be God.

Humm, modern western values? where do you think western values came from? i would say "modern western values" go against its basic foundational value system.

As for your question on salvation, its a long and complicated personal subject that i would be happy to talk to you through PMs since it would just derail this thread

Why did god have to change things? Isnt he all powerfull? Seems abit contradictory.

Ahhh modern western values is what this topic was partly about. It is what you Americans are whingeing about the muslims not sticking too and yet now your saying "modern western values" are bad too? Your as bad as the muslims. I spose your against gays abortion ect?

[9mmRifle]

Couldn't the same be said for moderate Muslims?
more on islam and submission

here's a fox interview,
its more of a heated rant with Abdul Alim Musa on Hannity n Colmes

http://www.youtube.com/v/hVbZlzG6vDA

[vinny_121_ND]

Well, perhaps is just a way to say that you lack the values apreciated by other cultures, such as: Women are inferior lifeforms so they dont deserve civil rights and should be beaten whenever its considered necessary by its husband or father, hanging of homo******s, all infidels must be converted or destroyed and so on.

May be its just demagogy , but I still prefer my "western values". And I´m sure that the mothers,sisters and daughters of lot of people round here are quite happy to have this "western values".

The only good thing if the USA becames an muslim nation is that it will still be the USA......... United States of Allah :):):)

Ok, fair enough. I agree that I simply cannot even understand how some people can look down on woman, and believe that they are inferior. I fully believe that everyone is equal regardless of gender, nationality or race. United States of Allah, (smiling while shaking my head).

[seraosha]

Ok, fair enough. I agree that I simply cannot even understand how some people can look down on woman, and believe that they are inferior. I fully believe that everyone is equal regardless of gender, nationality or race.

Well I knew eventually we'd agree on something. I'd just like to add that no religion should be above another, and that people of all faiths should respect each other equally, and that goes for Agnostics and Atheists as well...freedom of religion, and freedom from religion.

But dhimmitude doesn't seem to fall within that framework, so I for one will never welcome my Islamofacist Overlords.

[Chulo]

Well I knew eventually we'd agree on something. I'd just like to add that no religion should be above another, and that people of all faiths should respect each other equally, and that goes for Agnostics and Atheists as well...freedom of religion, and freedom from religion.

But dhimmitude doesn't seem to fall within that framework, so I for one will never welcome my Islamofacist Overlords.
just as an argument- then wouldn't your "rule" that every religion should be equal and on the same level field be an enforcement of your beliefs and such then that rule would be superior to all other religions. Such that by even trying to enforce it would be breaking its own rule, since that value of tolerance is held to be higher and such intolerant of any other religion that says different.

or in other words, you would be intolerant for forcing tolerance on everyone if they believe in their superiority and teach intolerance.

[Mastermind]

Personally, I just can not tolerate any form of intolerance!

[Laworkerbee]

Personally, I just can not tolerate any form of intolerance!

Fascist war monger!

[seraosha]

just as an argument- then wouldn't your "rule" that every religion should be equal and on the same level field be an enforcement of your beliefs and such then that rule would be superior to all other religions. Such that by even trying to enforce it would be breaking its own rule, since that value of tolerance is held to be higher and such intolerant of any other religion that says different.

or in other words, you would be intolerant for forcing tolerance on everyone if they believe in their superiority and teach intolerance.

Bah, sophists will be the first against the wall, come the revolution.

[vinny_121_ND]

K, I had it with this imam after reading his comments on
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2007/02/imam_musa.php

He compares the US gov as nazis, calls suicide bombers as heroes.

This imam is crazy. His myspace page says he was a good drug dealer back in the day, and is best friends with well known terrorist associates in iran and lebanon.

http://www.myspace.com/imammusa2

He doesn't want what's best for americans, he wants america to be an islamic state like Iran. What kind of idiot was I for initially thinking he was a nice guy. I don't think I want to attend his seminars on family counseling. I think it will be like one big pyramid scheme seminars I've been to.

[Chulo]

im sorry.. an iman with a website? "good " drug dealer? hes less Muslim than i am when it comes to that

[Van Gogh]

I don't think it was the forefathers intentions that america be a muslim country and we should stay inline with that separation of religion and law.

[vinny_121_ND]

He was a successful drug dealer, dealing cocaine and heroin, member of black panther, anti semitic, funds hamas, calls himself a victim when he was arrested for assaulting a police officer. I have no idea how he became an imam with that extensive resume. bottom line is, he's very intolerant of anybody who doesn't believe in islam. I may be a cool, nice person with A+ moral values, but he's not going even give me the light of day until I convert and believe and submit to Islam when I have doubts about this former drug dealer.

[Chulo]

I don't think it was the forefathers intentions that america be a muslim country and we should stay inline with that separation of religion and law.
what was the intentions of the forefathers? and was that separation of religion and law to keep religion out of government or government out of religion?

[clean]

No need to "take over" the US. The left wil give it to you for free. Just get enough guys here, and rise up and shout "WE ARE BEING ABUSED "CAUSE WE"RE DIFFERENT."

[chrisdef]

more on islam and submission

here's a fox interview,
its more of a heated rant with Abdul Alim Musa on Hannity n Colmes

http://www.youtube.com/v/hVbZlzG6vDA

Is that seriously what you think all muslims think? You Americans do really have some issues with them dont you.

[vinny_121_ND]

chrisdef, he's an imam. Why don't you tell the great spiritual leader to stop saying those controversial comments because it's not politically correct. Since he's an imam, we expect a much higher expectation from him to be a role model, and leader, but right now he has some issues to clarify.

[clean]

Why did god have to change things? Isnt he all powerfull?


If god was all powerful, he'd make you an idiot. Oh, wait.

[Chulo]

Is that seriously what you think all muslims think? You Americans do really have some issues with them dont you.
humm i dont see anyone telling that Muslim what to say, that is what HE said, on his own accord. Does that mean all muslims feel the same? im sure not, but then again, how much of Islamic history and Koranic teachings do you know?

[mudbunny]

Okay, you guys DO realize that this man is not arabic and more than likely resides over a muslim community that are NOT Arabic Muslims who are in touch with the thoughts and feelings of Muslims in the Middle-East, which is who we really are concerned about. This man is your typical black Muslim in the U.S who found Islam in prison and was able to hide a veil of justification of hatred for this country, with the help of Islam, and the white people who have ruled it since it's inception. I guarantee you that this man is your typical jail-house convert. As I have written in other threads, these jokers are a prime reason why the Nation of Islam is not taken seriously by Muslims from Arabia. I ask that you guys consider this before slamming Islam. My point? This man is a racist, not a devout Muslim.

[RxOnco]

It's six one-way...half-dozen the other.
A Klansman doesn't necessarily have to be from the back woods of Georgia or Arkansas. If he puts on the hood...he's professing his hate.
I don't care if this guy is a black man from prison...a white convert from Cali...or an Islamic Jew from Jersey. If he's proclaiming a desire to overthrow the government in the name of Islam...it's wrong.

[mudbunny]

It's six one-way...half-dozen the other.
A Klansman doesn't necessarily have to be from the back woods of Georgia or Arkansas. If he puts on the hood...he's professing his hate.
I don't care if this guy is a black man from prison...a white convert from Cali...or an Islamic Jew from Jersey. If he's proclaiming a desire to overthrow the government in the name of Islam...it's wrong.

Of course it is; I'm simply asking folks to look deeper into this man's intentions and see his message for what it really is. It's not about what's best for the Muslim community but what is best for this guy. This guy isn't religious, he's racist.

[RxOnco]

I think it's high time everyone opens their eyes to the reality that there really are a bunch from this "religion of peace" that feel that Islam is the be-all-end-all. Of course not all Muslims feel this way, but there's enough to make a pretty good ripple in the world.

[chrisdef]

chrisdef, he's an imam. Why don't you tell the great spiritual leader to stop saying those controversial comments because it's not politically correct. Since he's an imam, we expect a much higher expectation from him to be a role model, and leader, but right now he has some issues to clarify.

Again im not debating that. Ofcourse your right and he is speaking way out of line but he is not exactly here to get to clarify things now is he. I was simply saying while def not as violent or dangerous by any means "fundamental" christians are also against modern western values.

[chrisdef]

If god was all powerful, he'd make you an idiot. Oh, wait.

Thanks for that well thought out post. You obviously used all 3 of your brain cells that god gave you to do it. Be carefull you may strain yourself.

Now someone who isnt a complete tosser. Doesnt the bible say he is all powerfull and all knowing? .

[seraosha]

Did I miss the memo regarding this thread being about Christianity, or God for that matter? The topic says something about a D.C Imam declaring a plan to take over the U.S.

Try a little harder to stay on topic chrisdef, you'll find your input regarded in a higher light if that simple concept is followed.

In regards to having a "problem with Muslims" maybe the events on September 11, 2001 and the July 7, 2005 bombings might have something to do with a, shall we say, cautious approach to those exhorting belief in Islam and violent action towards those that oppose it's goals?

[chrisdef]

Did I miss the memo regarding this thread being about Christianity, or God for that matter? The topic says something about a D.C Imam declaring a plan to take over the U.S.

Try a little harder to stay on topic chrisdef, you'll find your input regarded in a higher light if that simple concept is followed.


Yes im sorry it went so off topic it wasnt my intention. In my first post i was just trying to say anyone who strictly follows either Christianity or Islam is technically against modern western values and then was jumped on by the bible crowd.