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hank
11-11-2007, 10:22 PM
I want to apologize up front if this is a repost. I searched but have pity on an old man with terrible search skills.

I want to hear your opinions about Genarlo Wilson and the recent decision of my State (GA) Supreme Court overturning his statutory rape conviction. Here is a linik to the opinion.

http://www.gasupreme.us/pdf/s07a1481.pdf

I think it would be best if you read it before opining, but I understand that legal opinions are dense and not for the faint of heart. I'll objectively summarize it and then welcome your comments.

Genarlo was 17 when he graduated and he went to a graduation party. While there he filmed himself having oral and ******l *** with a minor who may have been intoxicated (maybe even unconscious for some parts) at the time. After the party the video gets out and Genarlo gets arrested for what is essentially statutory rape. There were other guys involved and they all pleaded to lesser offenses and got light sentences.

Genarlo lived with his grandmother and a niece and refused to plead guilty because to do so would have meant he couldn't live with his grandmother and niece because he would have been a *** offender. The Douglas County DA is a real hardass and he prosecutes him and gets a conviction. (I should mention that Genarlo is black, the DA was white, and the jury was racially diverse.)

Genarlo goes to jail - real state penitentiary time - and while there the GA legislature changes the law under which he was convicted to make his crime a misdemeanor with no *** registry registration requirement. Had Genarlo been convicted under the revised statute he would not have been a felon and could have lived with his niece.

The legislature when it changed the statute expressly refused to make it retroactive. That means that Genarlo's sentence was still good and his status as a felon was not changed. The legislative history is very clear that they considered making it retroactive (which would have essentially freed Genarlo), considered Genarlo's case, and refused to do so. The legislature also expressly stated that the new reduced sentence cannot be interpreted to make the old sentence cruel and unusual.

Various legal entites get involved and appeal his sentence on various grounds, all of which are denied. Finally someone appeals and says his punishment is cruel and unusual. This appeal is heard and Genarlo is freed.

The basis for the decision is that GA should not be able to ciminalize this behavior. Justice Sears (who I have met and is an honorable female justice) basically says that all 15 year olds are giving blowjobs to 17 year olds and it is ridiculous to criminalize that behavior. She analyzes several state's laws for this offense, analyzes GA law for similar and more egregious offenses, and concludes that Genarlo's sentence is overly tough and not indicative of the crime. She overturns the sentence.

I won't opine about that decision now, but want to hear your thoughts. Is this the right decision? Should we criminalize Genarlo's behavior? Is it OK for this court to disregard the legislative mandate? Please try to support your opinion. Let's try to avoid a lot of judge bashing. Sears is a smart, convicted justice who felt she was doing what was required under the constitution. Regardless of whether you agree or not let's not sully her. We can disagree but let's not sling mud.

Have at it.

hank

Invisigoth
11-12-2007, 05:15 AM
Hello Hank,

if you look back a bit there have already been heated discussions on the topic.

I personally believe that a 10-year minimum penalty was too harsh, considering that both 'offender' and 'victim' were minors and the fact that the encounter was apparently consensual.

However, given the fact that an existing law was applied, I don't believe there is anyone to blame for the prosecution. From what I understand the second it went to trial, a guilty verdict had to be punished with a minimum of ten years.

At the same time I can't claim to have a good answer for the problematic of age restrictions and the protection of minors from ****** abuse, because age of consent laws were nonetheless put in place to protect minors from ****** exploitation by adults...

Inv

Beowulf
11-12-2007, 04:08 PM
It would seem that the judge did what she was supposed to do, namely make a decision based upon her understanding of the constitution.

I think she made a good decision. IFIRC most state's statutory rape laws have a built in age difference clause. Something like no more than 1-2 years apart. This kinda makes sense to me.

Asheren
11-12-2007, 05:37 PM
Well thats why we got that nice rule (lex retro non agit) that laws don't work backward. Its not currently in our constituion but our constitutional tribunal made a decision that not respecting it is aginst art. 2 of it. General rule is that:
If you are convicted and laws change sorry you are one unlucky guy. If during the trail laws changed you might be trailed acording to new punishement rule if it is less severe than old one.

hank
11-12-2007, 06:00 PM
Well thats why we got that nice rule (lex retro non agit) that laws don't work backward. Its not currently in our constituion but our constitutional tribunal made a decision that not respecting it is aginst art. 2 of it. General rule is that:
If you are convicted and laws change sorry you are one unlucky guy. If during the trail laws changed you might be trailed acording to new punishement rule if it is less severe than old one.

That same principle applies in the US as well. The legislature in this case also expressly said that the change was not retroactive. That is one of the reasons that I put this in here. Is it acceptable for a court to overturn a sentence when the legislature says they shouldn't?

Also, I realize there were other Genarlo threads, but I thought this was the first one that addressed the overturning of the conviction. If I am mistake in that please accept my apologies. The opinion I linked is from Oct. 26 and I didn't see anthing discussing this issues since that date.

hank

hank
11-12-2007, 06:03 PM
It would seem that the judge did what she was supposed to do, namely make a decision based upon her understanding of the constitution.

I think she made a good decision. IFIRC most state's statutory rape laws have a built in age difference clause. Something like no more than 1-2 years apart. This kinda makes sense to me.

Yeah, you remember correctly but that age difference was not applicable in the law under which Genarlo was convicted. It is now applicable and is one of the reasons Genarlo would not be a felon if he had been convicted under the new law.

I generally agree with you but as a lawyer I have a bit of a problem with ignoring the legislature (even when I think the legislature was wrong as I think they were here). I realize that I am a little over sensitive to this issue because of my profession.

Do you consider this to be judicial activism? Just curious.

hank

Beowulf
11-12-2007, 07:10 PM
Yeah, you remember correctly but that age difference was not applicable in the law under which Genarlo was convicted. It is now applicable and is one of the reasons Genarlo would not be a felon if he had been convicted under the new law.

I generally agree with you but as a lawyer I have a bit of a problem with ignoring the legislature (even when I think the legislature was wrong as I think they were here). I realize that I am a little over sensitive to this issue because of my profession.

Do you consider this to be judicial activism? Just curious.

hank


Well you said that the law that was passed clearly said that his sentence could not be considered cruel and unusual punishment.

So it would seem that the judge may be ruling outside of her bounds in terms of strict adherence to the law.

However, I have always thought that the reason we appoint certain people to certain positions is because they are expected to exercise good judgement.

For example, police officers make judgement calls all the time "pour that out and go home" could easily be "place your hands behind your back" it all depends on the officers decision making in that moment.

The same can be said for our military especially in special operations, a small teams actions or inaction at the tactical level can have impact at the strategic level. That is why SOF is SOF, not just because they can shoot straighter or run faster.

So the answer to you question is yes and no. In this case I think the judges decision makes sense.

I do think that these types of decisions (going against prior legislation or precedent) should be very very rare. I dislike the notion of legislation from the judicial branch.

Asheren
11-12-2007, 08:22 PM
That same principle applies in the US as well. The legislature in this case also expressly said that the change was not retroactive. That is one of the reasons that I put this in here. Is it acceptable for a court to overturn a sentence when the legislature says they shouldn't?

Also, I realize there were other Genarlo threads, but I thought this was the first one that addressed the overturning of the conviction. If I am mistake in that please accept my apologies. The opinion I linked is from Oct. 26 and I didn't see anthing discussing this issues since that date.

hank

As far as i know its not possible here. With exception of commie times court sentences. Personaly i would say they shouldn't even if it was possible in our judical system. It has to do something with law integrity or somthing like that. I am no lawyer but from what i remmember from my law sources in poland its a bad thing.

If i was juding him my personal view on the matter well banging an intoxicated girl and making a movie of that are both in my book under a big NO. Hell if she was my friend or godforbid my sister mr. wilson would have a biger problem than judical system. Bastard got what he deserved. If he was intoxicated or they were both well s..t happens.