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Firetxmi
11-16-2007, 04:28 PM
Kerry vows to disprove Swift boat claims

By GLEN JOHNSON, Associated Press Writer 51 minutes ago

Sen. John Kerry, whose 2004 presidential campaign was torpedoed by critics of his Vietnam War record, said Friday he has personally accepted a Texas oilman's offer to pay $1 million to anyone who can disprove even a single charge of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

In a letter to T. Boone Pickens, the Massachusetts Democrat wrote: "While I am prepared to show they lied on allegation after allegation, you have generously offered to pay one million dollars for just one thing that can be proven false. I am prepared to prove the lie beyond any reasonable doubt."

Kerry, a Navy veteran and former prosecutor, said he was willing to present his case directly to Pickens, who provided $3 million to bankroll the group during Kerry's race against President Bush.

Kerry said he would donate any proceeds to the Paralyzed Veterans of America.

The senator said Pickens issued the challenge Nov. 6 in Washington, while serving as chairman of a 40th anniversary gala for American Spectator magazine.

In the letter, Kerry offered to travel to Dallas to meet with Pickens in a public forum or to invite him to come to Massachusetts. He suggested the two could visit the Paralyzed Veterans of America in Norwood to see firsthand how Pickens' money could be used to help veterans. A copy of the letter was provided to The Associated Press.

Pickens spokesman Jay Rosser asked to review the letter before commenting.

First in the book "Unfit for Command," and then in a series of television commercials, Kerry's critics challenged the circumstances for his military awards, accused him of doctoring reports and argued he never traveled into Cambodia as claimed.

While fellow veterans and reporters disproved many of the group's claims at the time, Kerry refused to air ads responding to the criticism. His own response was muted for fear of legitimizing his critics' attacks. The senator conceded after losing to Bush that his lackluster response likely cost him the election.

Ever since, Kerry has worked to lay the criticisms to rest.

In May 2005, he began allowing reporters access to his full Navy personnel and medical records — something he refused to do during the campaign.

Those records mostly duplicated documents Kerry released during the 2004 campaign. In addition, they included numerous commendations from commanders who criticized Kerry's service during the presidential race.

That disclosure renewed questions about why Kerry did not respond more forcefully with control over the White House at stake.

Kerry decided against launching a second bid for president, but vowed to defend his record and prevent other candidates from being "Swift-boated."

In his letter to Pickens, the senator challenged the billionaire's honor.

"I trust that you are a man of your word, having made a very public challenge at a major Washington dinner, and look forward to taking you up on this challenge," Kerry wrote.

Link:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071116/ap_on_re_us/kerry_swift_boat;_ylt=An5DI5ZstWWYOmUPgYVLu4RvzwcF

noname
11-16-2007, 04:56 PM
I would have more respect for kerry if he proposed legislation for congressional term limits.

RxOnco
11-16-2007, 04:57 PM
If he could have disproven the Swifters, he would have done so about four years ago.

budgie
11-16-2007, 05:22 PM
Those who chose to believe that swift boat crap did so years ago and it's tool ate to matter. What's with the latest Kerry indictment anyway? Can't the Righties find any new dirt on Obama or the Clintons? Falling back on old faithful? Tsk, tsk...

LMAV
11-16-2007, 05:37 PM
Those who chose to believe that swift boat crap did so years ago and it's tool ate to matter. What's with the latest Kerry indictment anyway? Can't the Righties find any new dirt on Obama or the Clintons? Falling back on old faithful? Tsk, tsk...

Its no different than the democrats running against Bush again.

TheKiwi
11-16-2007, 05:40 PM
Outside of the ketchup family, does anyone actually care anymore?

Its like paying someone to prove that you weren't found by your sister spanking the monkey with Penthouse when you were 13. Doesn't even matter anymroe whether its true or not.

Mastermind
11-16-2007, 05:54 PM
Ha...does this sound like a "fixation" to anyone else? I looked over his posted military records and man is it ever squeeky clean. Now why would he not want to release those perfect records during the election? He might presently be the President if he had done that then. Now, everyone smells a rotten fish in that perfect military record paper.

And his lies about "Christmas in Camboida" were absolutely proven to be lies.

I dunno, the military record is one thing, consorting with the enemy while the US was still at war, weakening the war effort...Kerry may have been the last little drop of hope the enemy managed to cling to that changed the outcome so that 4 million people were ultimately murdered in one of the worst genocides the world had seen since Adolph Hitler and Joe Stalin.

What is it about Kerry that he simply can not face up to his lies and his dreadful charachter?

2Sheds_Jackson
11-16-2007, 06:09 PM
Those who chose to believe that swift boat crap did so years ago and it's tool ate to matter. What's with the latest Kerry indictment anyway? Can't the Righties find any new dirt on Obama or the Clintons? Falling back on old faithful? Tsk, tsk...

Isn't it Kerry himself who, true to form, is drawing this attention to himself? I don't think anybody just decided to go start picking on him again - the article says he "vowed to defend his record and prevent other candidates from being "Swift-boated." It's his right to set the record straight...but I don't think anybody is forcing his hand at this point.

Like you say the damage is done - I'm not sure what good this will do him. He may be able to disprove several statements made by SBVT members, but the official claims made by the group were much more broad and general.

For example, how's he gonna prove that he wasn't "dishonest, unreliable, unfit to lead, and had dishonored his country and fellow veterans"? I tend to think it was the irrefutably true things that the SBVT people brought to light that did the most damage - the Winter Soldier hearings, hiding his records, tossing his medals away in disgust when it served his purposes...only to polish them off when that suited him...that really soured people on him. And he's kinda stuck with all that.

California Joe
11-16-2007, 07:03 PM
Hey did you guys hear that John McCain has an illegitimate black kid? No sh*t.

hank
11-16-2007, 07:07 PM
Yeah, they made a movie about that years ago.

http://www.nostalgia.com/posters/13174.JPG

It was funny too. In this one part, McCain decided to rob his wife because she kicked him out when she found out about the kid. So he sneaks in and the wife ends up having *** with him. Really funny. Oh wait, that was Denzel Washington and George Segal. Never mind.

hank

2Sheds_Jackson
11-16-2007, 08:16 PM
Hey did you guys hear that John McCain has an illegitimate black kid? No sh*t.

Pfft that's easy - all he has to do is prove to us that he doesn't have one.


Oh wait, that was Denzel Washington and George Segal. Never mind.

I confuse those guys all the time. I'm all "hey remember that part, where the cook broke out of the jail, and killed all those pirates? " Oh wait no that was Steven Seagal. And Tommy Lee Jones, who was Al Gore's illegitimate non-black college roommate. Oh wait no I've confused the sh*t outta myself.

Satellite Weapon
11-17-2007, 12:47 AM
Kerry would have been a disaster he was roasted by Democrats and got roasted by Republicans. Kerry said that he wished he'd never picked Edwards and the two have never talked to each other since.



Hey did you guys hear that John McCain has an illegitimate black kid? No sh*t.

If I recall, back in 2000 some people behind GW's smear campaign told voters that McCain had a child from an Indian prostitute. Some McCain fans responded by questioning his service record of which Bush has remained silent to this day.
It's only 07, I thought it was too early for this kind of mud slinging.

timetraveller
11-17-2007, 07:54 AM
It's like a the film Runaway jury ..

Tryin to find any dirt to get the result they want , not matter what the outcome ...and

It shows there is clear mis use of Power whom will use any means at there disposal to gain Power they desperately crave

..

LMAV
11-17-2007, 08:18 AM
It's like a the film Runaway jury ..

Tryin to find any dirt to get the result they want , not matter what the outcome ...and

It shows there is clear mis use of Power whom will use any means at there disposal to gain Power they desperately crave

..

Yeah, like when Dan Rather put out a fake document about Bush's USAF record right before election night.

Laconian
11-17-2007, 08:40 AM
Is Kerry's service record of interest to anyone, other than Kerry? Are the voters in MA now concerned? Kerry served in the Navy and received an honorable discharge. He wasn't/isn't the only officer of that, or any other era, to inflate his war record, even writing himself up for citations he may not have been entitled to. What he did afterwards bespoke more of his character, in my opinion. Right now, he's non-entity on the political scene, unless he thinks someone's gonna ask him to be a running mate for VeeP.

Group9
11-17-2007, 09:54 AM
All Kerry has to do to disprove this stuff is to sign a 180. But, for some reason, he didn't want to.

Firetxmi
11-17-2007, 01:53 PM
For those who say it doesn't matter anymore:

What about when our current vets (Iraq and Afghanistan) get older, are we allowed to question their service records? I guess it doesn't matter if it is true or not though.....

noname
11-17-2007, 01:57 PM
For those who say it doesn't matter anymore:

What about when our current vets (Iraq and Afghanistan) get older, are we allowed to question their service records? I guess it doesn't matter if it is true or not though.....

I guess if they choose to run for high office their records can be questioned. Look at candidates from recent memory. Even the shrub had his records questioned.

Hollis
11-17-2007, 02:00 PM
All Kerry has to do to disprove this stuff is to sign a 180. But, for some reason, he didn't want to.


IMHO, all the smoke now (meaning nothing else is being done) is to establish in the minds of some, that the Swifties where liars. He is just going through the motions of "setting the record" right... Sadly with all the Kerry-ites out there that is good enough. They will keep saying for years, how the Swifties lied. They will probably even state, that Kerry proved himself.


I doubt he, Kerry, will go any farther. I think he knows that a full blown investigation will back the Swifties and not him.