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vinny_121_ND
11-18-2007, 02:07 PM
Anybody know what happens to electronic waste?


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Kai Ryssdal: We're back with more of Consumed, our special coverage of the consumer economy, airing all week on this and other American Public Media programs. Today: guilty secrets -- things we know we shouldn't do...
Chuck those double-A batteries into the regular trash, right alongside the energy-saving lightbulbs with their mercury inside. We throw away about 130 million cell phones every year. The government predicts 250 million computers will be tossed over the next five years.
Most consumer electronics contain noxious metals -- toxic trash, which is the fastest-growing part of our waste stream -- and one of America's few booming exports. But Marketplace's Scott Tong reports from China, some of it might be stamped: "Return to sender."
Scott Tong: When old computers shut down for the last time, where do the go to die? Places like this: an industrial scrap yard in the Chinese port city of Taizhou, a few hours down the coast from Shanghai.
Workers sift through six-foot-high piles of electronic trash, or "e-waste": circuit boards, monitors, keyboards, and smashed-up cell phones. Most of this stuff is Chinese waste. But I also found imported trash from the developed world -- based on the power plugs and the foreign characters on the keyboards.

Jim Puckett: China is a huge recipient of our waste -- and what's happening there can best be described as a cyber-age nightmare.
Jim Puckett is with the nonprofit Basel Action Network. It endorses an international agreement called the Basel Ban.

Puckett: It's a complete prohibition on the export of any hazardous waste from the rich counties to the poor country. But the United States is the only developed country, the only rich country, that has refused to sign this treaty.
So we Americans can still export our trash. Here's how it works: Every single hour, folks across the globe toss out 4,000 tons of e-waste, says the environmental group Greenpeace. Even if you're a good citizen and hand your old computer to a recycler, there's a good chance he sells it to a broker, who puts it on a ship that smuggles it to Africa, or the Middle East, or China.
In small, poor villages like this one, workers disassemble old circuit boards in primitive ways. They bang off the valuable parts -- for instance, computer chips with gold inside. Most workers are migrants, like this woman who looks over 60. We ask if the work is painful.

Chinese woman: It hurts. How could it not hurt? But I have to do this for a living.
Another disassembler, named Chen, dips electronics in chemicals. Then he dumps the old chemical stew -- which includes heavy metals like lead -- into the soil.

Chen: We encounter these chemicals every day, right? No big deal.
In fact, lead is known to disrupt brain development in kids. All the lead isn't thrown away -- some gets salvaged and formed into bricks. Then it's resold to battery makers and metalworkers looking for a cheap substitute to more durable metals.
Much of it ends up in places like this: the city of Yiwu. It's one of the world's largest wholesale markets, the source of stuff at the Dollar Stores around the globe. Among the items for sale: low-end metal jewelry.
Manufacturers here buy their metal from suppliers like Ms. Xu. She's unloading bricks of lead alloy to make bracelets and necklaces.

Ms. Xu: It could be a little harmful, I guess. But we give the customers whatever they want. If they don't want it, we don't give it to them.
American customers don't necessarily want lead jewelry. But, says attorney Steve ****enson, they do want cheap products -- and lead is a cut-rate raw material at a time of sky-high metals prices.

Steve ****enson: The United States has had an unfortunate cycle in the past 10 years of an excessive concern with price. And when price gets pushed down as far as it's been pushed, people should assume that there's going to be a problem.
Sure enough, American authorities recalled tens of thousands of kids' jewelry sets and charms this past summer, in addition to lead-painted toys. In a provocative new study, professors at Ashland University in Ohio found highly leaded trinkets sold in the U.S. bore the chemical fingerprints of lead from old computers.
Jim Puckett's Basel Action Network helped coordinate the study -- he says what comes around, goes around.

Puckett: This very waste that we're sending to China comes back and poisons our own.
It's impossible to know for sure if the recycled lead came from America, or Japan or China. But Puckett's main point is hazardous e-trash changes hands in the global economy far too easily, into a shadowy global supply chain of smugglers, wholesalers and backyard operators.

Puckett: This type of trade needs to be controlled. It's akin to drugs, it's akin to arms and slavery, etc. It is not a good that we're trading. It is a bad.
In Zhejiang Province, eastern China, I'm Scott Tong for Marketplace.


http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2007/11/14/consumed5_pm_1/

I'm throwing out my 7 year old computer but realize that recycling it will only get it sent to China, Africa, or India where people take it apart in unsafe conditions, and environmentally horrendous techniques. Metals are salvaged, but some of the lead remains, and is in turned recycled back into use in toys and paints that is sold back to americans, canadians and what not. The millions of tons of electronic waste thats out there scares me.

bluffcove
11-18-2007, 04:07 PM
the roof is falling in. oh no!

If it wasnt recycled it would go to landfill or be burnt. its a poison regardless of where it ends up bg deal!

Firetxmi
11-18-2007, 04:46 PM
the roof is falling in. oh no!

If it wasnt recycled it would go to landfill or be burnt. its a poison regardless of where it ends up bg deal!

Yet it is shipped back to the U.S. in other forms thus hurting us, not to mention the fact that it hurts the workers disassembling the waste. Did you read the article?

vinny_121_ND
11-18-2007, 05:08 PM
the roof is falling in. oh no!

If it wasnt recycled it would go to landfill or be burnt. its a poison regardless of where it ends up bg deal!

you totally missed the entire focus of the article. Obviously you don't care that China sells toys loaded with lead. We can't keep sending our trash to third world nations as garbage dumps and not face any consequences. At the same time, these nations need a better moral, and ethical standards of what they accept.

We live in a world of consumerism, and every 2 years when the technology doubles, we throw out our existing one for the new one. This computer I have is 7 years old and it's still working on windows 98 and still works (can't play games, works only on win98 platform, sometimes crashes on youtube videos, and certain websites that contain a lot of heavy duty programs)

bluffcove
11-18-2007, 05:21 PM
bovvered.

bluffcove

Firetxmi
11-18-2007, 05:30 PM
bovvered.

bluffcove

One day you will care.

EsoognomEhT
11-18-2007, 05:33 PM
Them's fighting words..


Mind you, one day you'll care about all the **** you pump into the atmosphere, but that doesn't exist right? ;d

bluffcove
11-18-2007, 05:37 PM
Our time here is limited, be at by asteroids, global warming (hmm) war, disease or any other extinction level event.

There is no point arranging your wood pile in a forest fire.

Firetxmi
11-18-2007, 05:40 PM
Our time here is limited, be at by asteroids, global warming (hmm) war, disease or any other extinction level event.

There is no point arranging your wood pile in a forest fire.

And that attitude is the exact reason why were are currently suffering from and cleaning up the waste of generations past.

bluffcove
11-18-2007, 05:46 PM
Im just being pragmatic.

It is too costly for the US to sign the Kyoto protocol and equally it would be too costly to do the "decent thing" and stop paying china to recycle our luxury goods.

Firetxmi
11-18-2007, 05:53 PM
Im just being pragmatic.

It is too costly for the US to sign the Kyoto protocol and equally it would be too costly to do the "decent thing" and stop paying china to recycle our luxury goods.

And it will be 10 times more expensive in the form that it will come back as- healthcare.

bluffcove
11-18-2007, 05:56 PM
I dont write policy, and it isnt governments that sell things to recyclers we live in a blssed free trade world where people can make profit from doing whatever anyone is willing to pay them for. Until someone makes it too expensive for this to go on then it will continue.

The Kyoto agreement (if agreement is the right word) would do a lot more for the environment than kids that lick their toys.

EsoognomEhT
11-18-2007, 06:24 PM
& our healthcare is 'free' anyway :p

vinny_121_ND
11-18-2007, 08:00 PM
Anyone watch the Simpson's episode where Homer was voted in as the garbage administrator and made the biggest mess of it?

Well, it's a problem, but until a really really big crisis emerges that affects everyone on a global scale, then changes will begin.

Mastermind
11-19-2007, 09:31 AM
We take our old computers out to the firing range...use them as targets...no one leaves until all the computers are shot to ribbons...especially the hard drives. Then we pick them up and toss them into the dumpster for target waste...where they go after that, I don't know...don't really care. I pay huge taxes to take care of waste and other gvt largess...and the country apparently does a pretty good job of it.

We have a recycler here who was caught downloading harddrives to get credit card numbers and other personal info...that's why we destroy them ourselves before "recucling" them. A 7.62x39 round totally renders a hard drive unreadable.

supercontra
11-21-2007, 02:42 AM
A 7.62x39 round totally renders a hard drive unreadable.

You wish! I've salvaged info off HD's worse than that. All it takes is time and an electron microscope.

Mastermind
11-21-2007, 07:10 PM
MMMmmmm...no, not these. I am sorry I didn't take some pictures. Well, anyway, if someone wanted our piddling stuff that bad, they are welcome to it. We do it to make sure there is no "easily" recoverable info. I suppose, if someone wanted to reassemble the molecuels of those hard drives, ...say some miracle worker, like God Himself...well, it is probably do-able.

dacanadianbomb
11-23-2007, 03:13 AM
Supposedly some companies paid up to 40k per disc to have their discs restored ( or at least the pieces found that were able to be put together I guess) from the WTC after the attack.