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SOG
11-20-2007, 03:00 PM
Supreme Court will hear D.C. guns case

By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Writer 33 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court said Tuesday it will decide whether the District of Columbia can ban handguns, a case that could produce the most in-depth examination of the constitutional right to "keep and bear arms" in nearly 70 years.

The justices' decision to hear the case could make the divisive debate over guns an issue in the 2008 presidential and congressional elections.

The government of Washington, D.C., is asking the court to uphold its 31-year ban on handgun ownership in the face of a federal appeals court ruling that struck down the ban as incompatible with the Second Amendment. Tuesday's announcement was widely expected, especially after both the District and the man who challenged the handgun ban asked for the high court review.

The main issue before the justices is whether the Second Amendment of the Constitution protects an individual's right to own guns or instead merely sets forth the collective right of states to maintain militias. The former interpretation would permit fewer restrictions on gun ownership.

Gun-control advocates say the Second amendment was intended to insure that states could maintain militias, a response to 18th century fears of an all-powerful national government. Gun rights proponents contend the amendment gives individuals the right to keep guns for private uses, including self-defense.

Alan Gura, a lawyer for Washington residents who challenged the ban, said he was pleased that the justices were considering the case.

"We believe the Supreme Court will acknowledge that, while the use of guns can be regulated, a complete prohibition on all functional firearms is too extreme," Gura said. "It's time to end this unconstitutional disaster. It's time to restore a basic freedom to all Washington residents."

Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, noted that 44 state constitutions contain some form of gun rights, which are not affected by the court's consideration of Washington's restrictions. "The American people know this is an individual right the way they know that water quenches their thirst," LaPierre said. "The Second Amendment allows no line to be drawn between individuals and their firearms."

Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said the Supreme Court should "reverse a clearly erroneous decision and make it clear that the Constitution does not prevent communities from having the gun laws they believe are needed to protect public safety."

The last Supreme Court ruling on the topic came in 1939 in U.S. v. Miller, which involved a sawed-off shotgun. That decision supported the collective rights view, but did not squarely answer the question in the view of many constitutional scholars. Chief Justice John Roberts said at his confirmation hearing that the correct reading of the Second Amendment was "still very much an open issue."

The Second Amendment reads: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Washington banned handguns in 1976, saying it was designed to reduce violent crime in the nation's capital.

The City Council that adopted the ban said it was justified because "handguns have no legitimate use in the purely urban environment of the District of Columbia."

The District is making several arguments in defense of the restriction, including claiming that the Second Amendment involves militia service. It also said the ban is constitutional because it limits the choice of firearms, but does not prohibit residents from owning any guns at all. Rifles and shotguns are legal, if kept under lock or disassembled. Businesses may have guns for protection.

Chicago has a similar handgun ban, but few other gun-control laws are as strict as the District's.

Four states — Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland and New York — urged the Supreme Court to take the case because broad application of the appeals court ruling would threaten "all federal and state laws restricting access to firearms."

**** Anthony Heller, 65, an armed security guard, sued the District after it rejected his application to keep a handgun at his home — about a mile from the court — for protection.

The laws in question in the case do not "merely regulate the possession of firearms," Heller said. Instead, they "amount to a complete prohibition of the possession of all functional firearms within the home."

If the Second Amendment gives individuals the right to have guns, "the laws must yield," he said.

Opponents say the ban plainly has not worked because guns still are readily available, through legal and illegal means. Although the city's homicide rate has declined dramatically since peaking in the early 1990s, Washington still ranks among the nation's highest murder cities, with 169 killings in 2006.

The U.S. Court Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit ruled 2-1 for Heller in March. Judge Laurence Silberman said reasonable regulations still could be permitted, but said the ban went too far.

The Bush administration, which has endorsed individual gun-ownership rights, has yet to weigh in on this case.

Arguments will be heard early next year.

The case is District of Columbia v. Heller, 07-290.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071120/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_guns

oh joy...

vinny_121_ND
11-20-2007, 03:36 PM
they shouldn't forget about knives, bats, pellet guns, nun chucks, swords, and daggers while they're still debating about it.

Buckeye67
11-20-2007, 05:54 PM
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=123679

Hollis
11-20-2007, 06:31 PM
they shouldn't forget about knives, bats, pellet guns, nun chucks, swords, and daggers while they're still debating about it.


I think we forgot what the 2nd Amendment is about, it is not about weapons.

Self determination,

self government

Checks and balance.

and my favorite:


FREEDOM.

bryanleu2002
11-20-2007, 09:30 PM
This case specificly deals with the Second Amendment rights of individuals, Not states or Militia's.. I cant see them not keeping within the context of the complaint. We will see in March 08'.


(ORDER LIST: 552 U.S.)
TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 20, 2007
JURISDICTION POSTPONED
07-77 RILEY, GOV. OF AL V. KENNEDY, YVONNE, ET AL.
Further consideration of the question of jurisdiction is
postponed to the hearing of the case on the merits.
CERTIORARI GRANTED
06-939 CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, ET AL. V. BROWN, ATT'Y GEN. OF CA, ET AL.
The petition for a writ of certiorari is granted.
07-290 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, ET AL. V. HELLER, **** A.
The petition for a writ of certiorari is granted limited to
the following question: Whether the following provisions, D.C.
Code §§ 7-2502.02(a)(4), 22-4504(a), and 7-2507.02, violate the
Second Amendment rights of individuals who are not affiliated
with any state-regulated militia, but who wish to keep handguns
and other firearms for private use in their homes?

USMC68
11-20-2007, 10:39 PM
Let's hope they don't bring back the ban. Down here in South East DC I would feel so much safer if I could carry, (not old enough right now) but when I'm on duty I do carry my M9. I know a few instances of our guys being mugged at gun point and with knives.

gaijinsamurai
11-20-2007, 11:57 PM
Are you stationed at Anacosta or 8th/I, USMC68? I was at Anacosta in 1990. I had a place up in NW DC and had to commute. The Brothers didn't mess with me if I was in uniform, but if I was in my civvies, i hated going through that part of town!

USMC68
11-21-2007, 10:10 AM
Like you said, they don't bother us when we're in uniform. But when friday nights roll around everyone goes out and evenutally they have to walk back which is when they jumped.

swamper
03-18-2008, 10:18 PM
For those interested, the transcript of the oral arguments on this are here:

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/07-290.pdf

The archive of the audio/video can be found here:

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=204466-1

Wolfmanjack
03-18-2008, 10:31 PM
Robert A. Heinlein An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.

A unarmed society is one that has lots of criminals, Look at Australia's crime rate sense they banned firearms. Only the crooks have guns now, Sure makes it a lot easier for the criminals to get what they want now doesn't it?

Lambert58
03-19-2008, 01:10 AM
You'll find that there are very few gun fatalaties where the victim was carrying. VERY few. Almost non-existent.