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moughoun
05-18-2004, 02:21 AM
Plans to purchase or lease 6 C17s or 12 A400M aircraft are back on the table for the Canadian Air Force as part of a policy review by the new Prime Minister Paul Martin.
Feds weigh billion-dollar air transport plan

David Pugliese
CanWest News Service


May 17, 2004
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A billion-dollar plan by the Canadian Forces to acquire giant transport aircraft is back on the table, two years after it was derailed by former prime minister Jean Chretien.

The plan, which could see the outright purchase of the planes or a long-term lease, is being considered as part of Prime Minister Paul Martin's international policy review. Some military officials see such aircraft as a necessity if Martin wants the Canadian Forces to play more of a role on the world stage.

The planes are also needed to respond to domestic disasters; they could move equipment and troops to cope with everything from a forest fire or earthquake in B.C. to ice storms in the east.

In early 2002, Chretien scuttled an air force plan to buy either six Boeing C-17 strategic airlift planes or up to 12 European-built Airbus A400M aircraft. He called the estimated $1-billion expense too rich for his government, and argued that if the military needed to get anywhere fast they could rent aircraft.

Later, Defence Minister John McCallum announced Canada would look at joining a NATO group that would share flying time on a fleet of planes.

But the NATO plan is now bogged down in politics. European countries want to purchase the A400M aircraft to be shared by the countries, while the U.S. and Canada propose using the C-17.

Yard Ape
05-18-2004, 10:38 PM
The "plane-sharing" idea was bogus to begin with. Who gets priorety when everyone wants to deploy some place(s) at the same time? If we really want stratigic reach, we need our own planes capable of doing that.

. . . don't get me started on the topic of charter aircraft being available. That's an even bigger crock.

pAt
05-18-2004, 10:44 PM
whats the point? in a couple years all our heavy vehicles are going to be gone (IE Leopard C2, and M109)

Yard Ape
05-18-2004, 10:52 PM
You could still move more light stuff farther.

scott
05-18-2004, 10:56 PM
C-17? Excellent

I'm still not hot on the A400M as a strategic airlifter (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=214641&highlight=#214641)

As for the leasing, great call.
Its simply the solution that fits a military that needs strategic airlift capability and a Canadian public that desires more money to domestic issues.

perdurabo
05-19-2004, 03:58 AM
C-17? Excellent

I'm still not hot on the A400M as a strategic airlifter (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=214641&highlight=#214641)

As for the leasing, great call.
Its simply the solution that fits a military that needs strategic airlift capability and a Canadian public that desires more money to domestic issues.
if you will have only Piranha as A400M will be better more economical.

EvanL
05-19-2004, 10:08 AM
C-17? Excellent

I'm still not hot on the A400M as a strategic airlifter (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=214641&highlight=#214641)

As for the leasing, great call.
Its simply the solution that fits a military that needs strategic airlift capability and a Canadian public that desires more money to domestic issues.
if you will have only Piranha as A400M will be better more economical.
Its not a piranha. Its based off of the Piranha design, but ours are newer and more up to date.

scm77
05-19-2004, 10:20 AM
Just another example of how much of an idiot Crouton was when it came to the military (and plenty of other issues).

Hopefully we do get some sort of airlifter. DND says they want to transform into a light force that can quickly be deployed, but then they buy the JSS which are not quick at all.

Things are looking surprisingly good from Paul Martin.

scott
05-19-2004, 02:35 PM
perhaps the JSS is not rapid deployable as say buying the pacificats, but i still see the project as a valuable tool for humanitarian interventions and peacekeeping

i completely agree with you about paul martin
(though can you get much worse than chretien with regards to defence?) :)

Yard Ape
05-20-2004, 12:34 AM
As for the leasing, great call.NO! Where are you left when the aircraft owner recalls the planes to support thier home country's military efforts? Why sink all that money into something that someone else will profit from selling later?

Better would be to buy our own & cover costs by providing charter services for comercial intrests with any unused capacity. This provides cost recovery & provides a pool to surge capacity from in a time of war or crissis.