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Snoshi
11-26-2007, 08:27 AM
Russian President Vladimir Putin has accused the United States of pushing Western observers into boycotting Russian elections.

Mr Putin said the goal was to discredit the parliamentary election to be held on 2 December.

The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) has categorically rejected the allegations.

Meanwhile, the European Commission has expressed concern at the treatment of the opposition in Russia.

'Nonsense'

The OSCE announced earlier this month that it would not attend Russia's election, saying Moscow had refused to provide visas to its staff.
They later said they would send a delegation of European MPs - rather than a full OSCE team - to monitor the vote.

Mr Putin said the boycott decision "was taken on the recommendation of the American state department".

"The aim is to discredit the elections, but they won't achieve their goal," he said.

"We will certainly take this into account with our bilateral ties with this state," he added, referring to the US.

But a spokeswoman for the OSCE in Warsaw, Urdur Gunnarsdottir, called Mr Putin's allegations "nonsense".

"The decision was not made in consultation with any government. It was made on operational, not political grounds," Ms Gunnarsdottir told the BBC.

"Our decision did not have the aim to influence the election."

The OSCE unites 56 member countries from Europe, Central Asia, the US and Canada.

The organisation will be represented by the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly, which, together with the Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly, is sending about 100 MPs from member countries to Russia to observe the parliamentary poll next Saturday.

EU worries

The head of the European Union's executive arm, European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso, has expressed worries about a weekend crackdown by Russian police on protests by opponents of President Vladimir Putin.

"I was very concerned to see reports of police harassment and arrests of politicians and peaceful demonstrators in Russia in the last two days," Mr Barroso said in a statement.

"The right to free speech and assembly are basic fundamental human rights and I very much regret that the authorities found it necessary to take such heavy-handed action."

Police broke up an opposition rally on Sunday, arresting 150 people in St Petersburg, including opposition leader Boris Nemtsov - who was later freed.

Another opposition figure, former chess champion Garry Kasparov, was arrested at a rally in Moscow on Saturday. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7112904.stm

Flamming_Python
11-26-2007, 10:43 AM
OSCE is pretty much an organisation I lost all faith in after chairmanship was given to Kazakhstan. This decision was made hot on the heels of various trans-caspian pipeline talk.

I am so sick and tired of all these games & tricks in the world, all these organisations promoting this or that but turning out to be just as corrupted as everything they claim to fight against.

Chimera
11-26-2007, 11:34 AM
OSCE is pretty much an organisation I lost all faith in after chairmanship was given to Kazakhstan. This decision was made hot on the heels of various trans-caspian pipeline talk.

I am so sick and tired of all these games & tricks in the world, all these organisations promoting this or that but turning out to be just as corrupted as everything they claim to fight against.

Couldn't agree more...

Lt-Col A. Tack
11-26-2007, 07:27 PM
"Russian President Vladimir Putin has accused the United States of pushing Western observers into boycotting Russian elections."

Sure, that's the only possible explanation :roll:

Kilgor
11-26-2007, 07:46 PM
OSCE is pretty much an organisation I lost all faith in after chairmanship was given to Kazakhstan..

souce ...?

GazB
11-27-2007, 02:12 AM
"Russian President Vladimir Putin has accused the United States of pushing Western observers into boycotting Russian elections."

Sure, that's the only possible explanation

I doubt Putin was there himself to hear such a thing, but considering the OSCE has 56 members there is a very good chance that at least one or two members are friendly enough to Russia to pass on the information... that is assuming it wasn't a US spy of course.

Switek
11-27-2007, 02:24 AM
So may be we'd stop pointless discussions about "democracy" in Russia and name things as they are.

asch
11-27-2007, 05:00 AM
i have a few examples for you:

1. The Eurasian Oligarchy
2. Slavic Tyranny (ze Ukraine, Belarus and maybe Poland must surrender to our assault bears packs).
3. Ze Glorious Putinland
4. Dark Side - simple but with style
p-)

Switek
11-27-2007, 05:20 AM
I'd prefer more realistic:

Putinocracy, with Putinism as a main ideology conducted by Putinocrats with a capital in Putinogrod.

;)

tsuri
11-27-2007, 06:25 AM
OSCE is pretty much an organisation I lost all faith in after chairmanship was given to Kazakhstan. This decision was made hot on the heels of various trans-caspian pipeline talk.

Rotating presidency.

I wonder why Russia bothers to arrest critics and hold an election anyways. By the looks of it the winner is already decided. It could save them a lot of money and time to just announce who the people have elected.

Lokos
11-27-2007, 07:18 AM
So may be we'd stop pointless discussions about "democracy" in Russia and name things as they are.

If by 'democracy' you mean a government that rules according to a popular will, then you should have no problem with Putin. He is, without a doubt, the most popular contemporary Russian leader in history.

Lokos

Omen
11-27-2007, 10:40 AM
If by 'democracy' you mean a government that rules according to a popular will, then you should have no problem with Putin. He is, without a doubt, the most popular contemporary Russian leader in history.

Lokos

In russian history? What about uncle Joseph in his days of full glory :)
http://www.spareroom.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/stalin-borat.jpg

Contemporary? Sure. Are there any more to choose from :)

AZRON
11-27-2007, 10:45 AM
... that is assuming it wasn't a US spy of course.[/quote]

Constant paranoia.......... it seems some people cannot exist without it.
But it makes good homeland politics.

FelixA9
11-27-2007, 10:58 AM
If by 'democracy' you mean a government that rules according to a popular will, then you should have no problem with Putin. He is, without a doubt, the most popular contemporary Russian leader in history.

Lokos

As I recall Hitler and Stalin were popular guys at one time or another. Would their reigns be considered democracies as well? Really not trying to be a smartass but I'm guessing something more than popularity goes into defining something as democratic or not.

Lokos
11-27-2007, 11:30 AM
Alright, smartasses.

Dictionary definition of democracy:


1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

Does anyone have any doubts that Vladimir Putin is the Russian people's choice? The elected choice.


What about uncle Joseph in his days of full glory

Feared and respected. But certainly not 'popular'.


Would their reigns be considered democracies as well?

No, but they weren't elected, either, now were they? Well, actually, Hitler was, but that's a story of its own.

Comparing Putin to Stalin or Hitler, even indirectly, is inane - bordering on deranged.

Lokos

Kaapeli
11-27-2007, 12:06 PM
And I actually though once that Putin had a good influence on Russia and that he was a reasonable man.
But now he's quickly denegerating into a manipulative liar and/or a delusional wannabe-dictator. All this conspicacy talk, ultranationalism and blaming everything on foreign powers is starting to remind me of Chavez and Ahmadinejad. "It's a western conspicacy that my party has opposition!!!1" Suuure it is...

Clayton Gold
11-27-2007, 12:12 PM
I'm really surprised that so many see this as a big deal.

Seems like typical election-time rhetoric to me. Russia or USA, or anywhere else - same type of statements.


I wouldn't make much of it at this time.

Hammaskillah
11-27-2007, 02:57 PM
Poor Russia. Always get's blamed for this and that because of democracy.
The poll boycott is just another step of the west to present Putin as a evil aggressor.

tsuri
11-27-2007, 03:22 PM
Poor Russia. Always get's blamed for this and that because of democracy.

Poor Russia where an obvious poll manipulation can take place and the population actively looks the other way because of monetary gains.
But well in the end the Cold War was about Coca Cola and not about Freedom and Human Rights.


The poll boycott is just another step of the west to present Putin as a evil aggressor.

CSCE/OSCE was a project initiated by Soviet Russia

"Poll Boycot" is a nice way to put the situation with a complete disregard for those who are actually responsible. If Russia actively sabotages neutral poll observers then it is pretty clear what is going on there.


I wouldn't make much of it at this time.

This is the first time ever OSCE has done this.


Russia is slipping into authocracy. People blamed the effects of transformation on democracy while old party cadres got filthy rich. Almost as they like to say about Mr Bush:
Different ****, same assholes.