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AK-108
11-27-2007, 08:44 AM
20,000 vets' brain injuries not listed in Pentagon tally

At least 20,000 U.S. troops who were not classified as wounded during combat in Iraq and Afghanistan have been found with signs of brain injuries, according to military and veterans records compiled by USA TODAY.
The data, provided by the Army, Navy and Department of Veterans Affairs, show that about five times as many troops sustained brain trauma as the 4,471 officially listed by the Pentagon through Sept. 30. These cases also are not reflected in the Pentagon's official tally of wounded, which stands at 30,327.

HIDDEN WOUNDS: Marine didn't recognize signs of brain injury (http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2007-11-22-tbiinsinide_N.htm)
The number of brain-injury cases were tabulated from records kept by the VA and four military bases that house units that have served multiple combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.
One base released its count of brain injuries at a medical conference. The others provided their records at the request of USA TODAY, in some cases only after a Freedom of Information Act filing was submitted.
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USA TODAY ARCHIVES: Brain injuries from war worse than thought (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-09-23-traumatic-brain-injuries_N.htm)
The data came from:
• Landstuhl Army Regional Medical Center in Germany, where troops evacuated from Iraq and Afghanistan for injury, illness or wounds are brought before going home. Since May 2006, more than 2,300 soldiers screened positive for brain injury, hospital spokeswoman Marie Shaw says.
• Fort Hood, Texas, home of the 4th Infantry Division, which returned from a second Iraq combat tour late last year. At least 2,700 soldiers suffered a combat brain injury, Lt. Col. Steve Stover says.
• Fort Carson, Colo., where more than 2,100 soldiers screened were found to have suffered a brain injury, according to remarks by Army Col. Heidi Terrio before a brain injury association seminar.
• Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton, where 1,737 Marines were found to have suffered a brain injury, according to Navy Cmdr. Martin Holland, a neurosurgeon with the Naval Medical Center San Diego.
• VA hospitals, where Iraq and Afghanistan veterans have been screened for combat brain injuries since April. The VA found about 20% of 61,285 surveyed — or 11,804 veterans — with signs of brain injury, spokeswoman Alison Aikele says. VA doctors say more evaluation is necessary before a true diagnosis of brain injury can be confirmed in all these cases, Aikele says.
Soldiers and Marines whose wounds were discovered after they left Iraq are not added to the official casualty list, says Army Col. Robert Labutta, a neurologist and brain injury consultant for the Pentagon.
"We are working to do a better job of reflecting accurate data in the official casualty table," Labutta says.
Most of the new cases involve mild or moderate brain injuries, commonly from exposure to blasts.
More than 150,000 troops may have suffered head injuries in combat, says Rep. Bill Pascrell, D-N.J., founder of the Congressional Brain Injury Task Force.
"I am wary that the number of brain-injured troops far exceeds the total number reported injured," he says.
About 1.5 million troops have served in Iraq, where traumatic brain injury can occur despite heavy body armor worn by troops.




http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2007-11-22-braininjuries_N.htm

Macaca sylvanus
11-27-2007, 09:30 AM
Very interesting read. Seems like they will have to rethink the criteria for diagnosing brain injuries

Martial
11-27-2007, 09:30 AM
Well thanks for sharing that. We need cocksuckers like you to tell people they are injured when they didn't even know it. Looking at your other 10 posts I can see that you are a class-A butt hole anyway.

Snoshi
11-27-2007, 09:48 AM
Well thanks for sharing that. We need cocksuckers like you to tell people they are injured when they didn't even know it. Looking at your other 10 posts I can see that you are a class-A butt hole anyway.

Yeah.. Nothing wrong with the topic.. But the guy have an agenda..

dacanadianbomb
11-27-2007, 09:49 AM
Sorry, what age were you ?
Lighten up francis as CJ would say.
The article is still highlighting an important factor
His agenda aside.

2Sheds_Jackson
11-27-2007, 09:53 AM
I would note that every single one of the sources cited has a stake in inflating the numbers, just as the pentagon has a stake in understating them. I'd prefer to deal with - and fund the treatment of - injuries that actually manifest themselves...rather than simply take the word of the recipients of that funding.

Zombie Squad
11-27-2007, 11:37 AM
Yeah.. Nothing wrong with the topic.. But the guy have an agenda..

Don't we all?

pgm
11-27-2007, 12:54 PM
Don't we all?

Somebody more than others, it seems.

dacanadianbomb
11-27-2007, 01:56 PM
This is actually an important subject to at least pay attention to.Even if the person who posted it might have an agenda or whatever.
Just as the body was not designed to lug around all the heavy loads of extended periods of time that soldiers have to nowadays, the head,neck and brain were not built to be blasted with pressure waves from explosions on a regular basis.

Actually it would be interesting to hear what any deployed medics have to say about it, and whether they have been given any special "heads up" about it.

Martial
11-27-2007, 03:58 PM
This is kinda off-topic but do artillerymen suffer any kind of effects from repetitive pressure changes while firing the "big guns"? Just curious.

ShakesFIST
11-27-2007, 04:02 PM
I know I got told to go visit the VA about 6 months ago for brain injuries. I basically got told its nothing to worry about because while I do have injuries they are nothing to worry about. Fast forward 5 months to another trip to the VA and I have severe brain injuries that need to be treated now!

SOG
11-27-2007, 04:55 PM
I know I got told to go visit the VA about 6 months ago for brain injuries. I basically got told its nothing to worry about because while I do have injuries they are nothing to worry about. Fast forward 5 months to another trip to the VA and I have severe brain injuries that need to be treated now!

that sucks. do you have any physical symptoms yet? what do you think was the cause of your brain injuries? just wondering. hope your alright. take care.

ShakesFIST
11-27-2007, 09:50 PM
that sucks. do you have any physical symptoms yet? what do you think was the cause of your brain injuries? just wondering. hope your alright. take care.

Nothing physical noticeable besides the area under my eyes is a lot darker (from not sleeping). I get migraines a lot too. Almost all the rest is mental. I'm on about 4 different medications right now for things possibly linked to the injuries.

My guess from the causes is the various explosions I have been in (including being thrown from a humvee) and the fact I hit my head too much (too tall) probably doesn't help.

Zombie Squad
11-28-2007, 06:14 AM
Nothing physical noticeable besides the area under my eyes is a lot darker (from not sleeping). I get migraines a lot too. Almost all the rest is mental. I'm on about 4 different medications right now for things possibly linked to the injuries.

My guess from the causes is the various explosions I have been in (including being thrown from a humvee) and the fact I hit my head too much (too tall) probably doesn't help.

Hope you stay fit and strong. All my best for you.

SOG
11-29-2007, 12:52 PM
Hope you stay fit and strong. All my best for you.

x2, take care man.