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Gman3ID
11-27-2007, 03:26 PM
Long read, it's just amazing to me the amount of money that's involved with these transactions, And the governments who produce them.


Citigroup to Raise $7.5 Billion From Abu Dhabi State (Update3)

By Will McSheehy and Bradley Keoun
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Nov. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Citigroup Inc., the biggest U.S. bank by assets, will receive a $7.5 billion cash infusion from Abu Dhabi to replenish capital after record mortgage losses wiped out almost half its market value.
Citigroup rose 2.6 percent in New York trading today following acting Chief Executive Officer Win Bischoff's statement late yesterday that funds from the state-owned Abu Dhabi Investment Authority will help ``strengthen our capital base.''
Abu Dhabi will buy securities that convert to stock and yield 11 percent a year, almost double the interest Citigroup offers bond investors, underscoring the New York-based company's need for cash. Fourth-quarter profit will be reduced by as much as $7 billion because of losses from subprime mortgages, which led to the departure of CEO Charles O. ``Chuck'' Prince III and a 46 percent slump in its stock this year.
``Clearly, Citi has a problem with capital adequacy after the subprime crisis,'' said Giyas Gokkent, head of research at National Bank of Abu Dhabi PJSC, Abu Dhabi's biggest bank by market value. ``ADIA has seen an opportunity to get cheaply into a blue-chip stock.''
With the purchase of a 4.9 percent stake, Abu Dhabi, the largest emirate in the United Arab Emirates and its capital, would rank as Citigroup's largest shareholder ahead of Los Angeles-based Capital Group Cos. and Saudi billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, data compiled by Bloomberg show.
Depleted Capital
The investment follows purchases by U.A.E. fund Dubai International Capital LLC in companies including London-based HSBC Holdings Plc, Europe's biggest bank by market value, and New York-based hedge fund Och-Ziff Capital Management LLC. In Abu Dhabi, state-backed Mubadala Development Co. agreed to buy 7.5 percent of Washington-based buyout firm Carlyle Group. ADIA also owns a stake in Leon Black's New York-based buyout firm, Apollo Management LP.
Citigroup Chairman Robert Rubin, who stepped in after Prince resigned, and Chief Financial Officer Gary Crittenden said on a conference call earlier this month that the bank expects to restore capital to targeted levels by the end of the second quarter without having to cut its $2.7 billion-a-quarter dividend.
Mortgage writedowns cut Citigroup's ``tier 1'' ratio, a metric used to assess banks' ability to weather loan losses, to 7.3 percent on Sept. 30. The figure, while above U.S. regulators' 6 percent threshold for a ``well-capitalized'' bank, was below the bank's 7.5 percent target.
`Bullish' View
The Citigroup equity units that ADIA will purchase can be swapped for as many as 235.6 million shares starting in 2010. The securities will convert into Citigroup shares at prices ranging from $31.83 to $37.24 between March 15, 2010, and Sept. 15, 2011.
Today Citigroup's stock rose 78 cents to $30.54 as of 10:03 a.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. Yesterday, they closed at $29.76, the lowest price in five years.
``The structure of the deal suggests that Abu Dhabi is very bullish, effectively participating in the upside beyond $37.24, and sharing in the downside below $31.83,'' said George Nikas, who helps manage $1 billion at Deutsche Bank AG in Sydney.
Abu Dhabi will have ``no role in the management or governance of Citi, including no right to designate a member'' of the company's board, Citigroup said in its statement.
``This investment reflects our confidence in Citi's potential to build shareholder value,'' ADIA Managing Director Sheikh Ahmed bin Zayed al-Nahyan said in the Citigroup statement.
Cost of Capital
Mounting subprime losses have increased Citigroup's funding costs. The bank sold $4 billion of 10-year bonds on Nov. 14, paying annual interest of 6.125 percent. The securities were priced to yield 190 basis points more than Treasuries, up from 118 basis points, or 1.18 percentage points, in a similar sale three months earlier.
CIBC World Markets analyst Meredith Whitney said in a note to clients today that she still expects Citigroup to cut its dividend as mortgage losses increase.
Abu Dhabi officials met with Rubin in the emirate yesterday to discuss ``world stock markets and their impact on the performance of banks,'' the state-run WAM news agency reported on its Web site.
Abu Dhabi owns the world's fifth-biggest oil reserves. It channels oil surpluses to ADIA, which ranks as the world's biggest sovereign wealth fund with assets of $875 billion, according to July estimates by the London-based Economist Intelligence Unit. The authority will spend $40 billion this year to buy foreign assets, estimates Gokkent at the National Bank of Abu Dhabi.
Buying Assets
Gulf investors have spent about $70 billion on overseas acquisitions this year, almost double their spending in 2006, as oil prices soared 58 percent, data compiled by Bloomberg show. With oil above $90 a barrel, Gulf producers including Saudi Arabia and the U.A.E. earn more than $1.3 billion a day from their energy sales.
State-controlled Saudi Basic Industries Corp., the biggest chemicals company by market value, in May agreed to buy General Electric Co.'s plastic unit for $11.6 billion in a record acquisition for the Gulf. State-owned Dubai World in August agreed to invest as much as $5.1 billion in MGM Mirage, the second-largest casino company, to try to tap into the Las Vegas- based company's U.S. gaming and real estate earnings.
Gulf petrodollars don't always get the prize. Qatar on Nov. 5 said it abandoned a $21.9 billion bid for U.K. supermarket chain J Sainsbury Plc after its cost of funding jumped ``significantly'' since first making the bid July 18.
China's Purchases
China also has been increasing investments in the U.S. and Europe. Bear Stearns Cos., the fifth-biggest U.S. securities firm, agreed last month to sell a 6 percent stake to China's government-controlled Citic Securities Co. for about $1 billion. China Investment Corp., the nation's $200 billion sovereign wealth fund, paid $3 billion for a stake in New York-based private equity firm Blackstone Group LP in May. Barclays Plc, the U.K.'s third-biggest lender, agreed to sell 6.7 percent of itself to China Development Bank in July.
The state-owned Dubai International Financial Center, which bought 2.2 percent of Deutsche Bank AG in May, on Nov. 19 said it is seeking acquisitions in the U.S., where the falling dollar and a lending crisis are driving down the price of banks and property.
Dubai Center
Citigroup is among tenants at the Dubai center, a business park being used to attract banks, insurers and asset managers to the Persian Gulf. Like neighbors Qatar and Bahrain, Dubai is bidding to plug the trading time gap between Europe and Asia and become the region's pre-eminent financial hub.
Qatar, like Abu Dhabi, is seeking to diversify its economy away from near-total reliance on energy earnings. Unlike Abu Dhabi, the oil wells of Dubai and Bahrain have almost run dry.
ADIA ``will bolster Citigroup's capital and competitiveness,'' U.S. Senator Charles E. Schumer said in a statement. The New York Democrat was among the lawmakers who criticized the Bush administration's decision last year to approve DP World Ltd.'s $6.8 billion acquisition of London-based Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Co., a deal that gave the Dubai state-owned port company control of six U.S. terminals.
Schumer was among those who said Dubai ownership would jeopardize U.S. national security, arguing that two terrorists involved in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks were from the U.A.E.
AIG's Purchase
DP World agreed in December to sell the U.S. terminals, in cities including New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore and New Orleans, to American International Group Inc., the world's biggest insurer.
``The issue for DP World was a misunderstanding that it might misuse its control of some U.S. ports, but that is behind us and Dubai in particular has been doing a lot of deals in the U.S. since then,'' said Mohammed Ghubash, professor of political science at the U.A.E. University in al-Ain.
Prince Alwaleed, a nephew of Saudi King Abdullah, invested $590 million in Citigroup predecessor Citicorp in 1991 when the bank needed cash because of loan losses in Latin America and a collapse in U.S. property prices. Alwaleed now holds about $6 billion of Citigroup shares. The prince wasn't available for comment at his Riyadh office today.
To contact the reporters on this story: Bradley Keoun in New York at bkeoun@bloomberg.net (bkeoun@bloomberg.net) ; Will McSheehy in Dubai at wmcsheehy@bloomberg.net (wmcsheehy@bloomberg.net) .

manilaboy
11-27-2007, 06:45 PM
ironic how the arabs own the u.s.

Flagg
11-27-2007, 06:58 PM
It ain't over yet........

I'm an optomist at heart but what Citi did equates to going to a pawn shop to get a 3rd mortgage on your house and putting up your wife's engagement ring and the family dog as collateral.

Citi needed money FAST...and they're going to be paying 11+% for the cash.....a good 50% premium over the current shareholder dividend....if Citi is such a great investment after taknig a massive haircut and showing a nearly 7% dividend, why did they have to entice a Sovereign Wealth Fund with a much better than retail investor deal?

I'm thinking there's a lot of off balance sheet skeletons in the closet.

If Citi's asset base continues to get hit via asset deflation...that's a hit right on bottom line equity......which would be insolvency/bankruptcy.

If you take away Citi's goodwill, and factor in off balance sheet shenanigans...you're looking at a train wreck with global ramifications that has not been fully disclosed yet....kind of like when Titanic hit the iceburg........no big deal at first.

I'll stick my neck out and say....I'm getting seriously worried about the integrity of our financial systems.

Rictor
11-27-2007, 07:40 PM
Interesting to note that those who are in certain hawkish circles seen as Public Enemy $1, namely China and Arab states, are the US economy's biggest benefactors.

UAE pwns jO0!

Kilgor
11-27-2007, 07:48 PM
ironic how the arabs own the u.s.

You mean jews don't own the world ? ;)

timetraveller
11-27-2007, 07:55 PM
It's all about protecting your investment ..

Andreas
11-27-2007, 07:57 PM
There is actually a case ongoing here in Norway right now involving a rather dodgy product put together by citybank. The product, a hedgefund in the US creditmarket has put some Norwegian investors in a rather bad place. And the Norwegian brokers who sold the product is in deep sh it, because the customers want theire money back.

A long story but, as suggested, I also feel there are several skeletons in the closets all over the place..

Mr.K
11-27-2007, 08:56 PM
of course they help out Citi, its their biggest money laundromatp-)

bryanleu2002
11-27-2007, 09:54 PM
“I wish it were possible to obtain a single amendment to our Constitution - taking from the federal government their power of borrowing.” - Thomas Jefferson

This borrowing is so out of control, It seems like a means to its own end..

Where does it end? Read carefully!

Simple analogy- imagine the whole world a Cultasac! one street! where everybody gets allong , children play, people trade evenly, ( I give you some grapes , you give me some fish..) done deal, no tax, and NO INTEREST!. :)

From time to time people may destroy each other over property, and there will certainly be conflict,, Thats Human nature..And is innevitible...

Now If one of those neighbors offers a means of exchange (Paper) not backed by substance, and then charges a interest on it.. well , now we enter a whole new realm of control..

Now I can borrow all the (paper)money i want, to buy weapons to protect myself, or borrow enough paper to buy my enemy's off, "money has no enemy".

No matter who wins or loses in the local battles, the Neighborhood bank will come out ahead , because the lender will take the dead mans land and property after hes dead.. (the lender cant pay back what was borowed with interest) ........

Is the opposition going to complain? of course not!

And after a long period of time , after raising and lowering interest, and conflict , all the property and land and belongings will eventually end up in the hands of the person(s) who created money(paper) and charged an intersest on it.

We all have inadvertianly given the bankers all the power of the cultasac(world)..

“After WWI, Germany fell into the hands of the German international bankers. Those bankers brought her and they now own her, lock, stock, and barrel. They have purchased her industries, they have mortgages (http://www.saveonrefinance.com/) on her soil, they control her production, they control all her public utilities. The international German bankers have subsidized the present Government of Germany and they have also supplied every dollar of the money Adolph Hitler has used in his lavish campaign to build up a threat to the government of Bruening. When Bruening fails to obey the orders of the German International Bankers, Hitler is brought forth to scare the Germans into submission… Through the Federal Reserve (http://chris.pirillo.com/?cat=55#) Board… over $30 billions of American money… has been pumped into Germany… You have all heard of the spending that has taken place in Germany… Modernistic dwellings, her great planetariums, her gymnasiums, her swimming pools, her fine public highways, her perfect factories. All this was done on our money. All this was given to Germany through the Federal Reserve Board. The Federal Reserve Board… has pumped so many billions of dollars into Germany that they dare not name the total.” - Louis Thomas McFadden (July 25 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_25), 1876 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1876) – October 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_1), 1936 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936)) was a Republican (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_%28United_States%29) member of the U.S. House of Representatives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._House_of_Representatives) from Pennsylvania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania).

Gman3ID
11-27-2007, 10:22 PM
It ain't over yet........

I'm an optomist at heart but what Citi did equates to going to a pawn shop to get a 3rd mortgage on your house and putting up your wife's engagement ring and the family dog as collateral.

Citi needed money FAST...and they're going to be paying 11+% for the cash.....a good 50% premium over the current shareholder dividend....if Citi is such a great investment after taknig a massive haircut and showing a nearly 7% dividend, why did they have to entice a Sovereign Wealth Fund with a much better than retail investor deal?

I'm thinking there's a lot of off balance sheet skeletons in the closet.

If Citi's asset base continues to get hit via asset deflation...that's a hit right on bottom line equity......which would be insolvency/bankruptcy.

If you take away Citi's goodwill, and factor in off balance sheet shenanigans...you're looking at a train wreck with global ramifications that has not been fully disclosed yet....kind of like when Titanic hit the iceburg........no big deal at first.

I'll stick my neck out and say....I'm getting seriously worried about the integrity of our financial systems.

First off I am a grunt. Slow down here bubba.

you mean kinda like an enron thinga majiga....

I get it I just had to re read your post with my edubucated arse a few times, the dividends, yields, and investment premiums kinda through me off!!!

I think I get what your saying and your most likely right about this smelling fishy!!!

manilaboy
11-28-2007, 03:57 AM
You mean jews don't own the world ? ;)

p-) jews own everthing else

manilaboy
11-28-2007, 03:58 AM
of course they help out Citi, its their biggest money laundromatp-)

they dont need to launder their money. they can easily put anything in their treasury and back out. no one can do anything. unless do don't want oil.

Andreas
11-28-2007, 05:47 AM
of course they help out Citi, its their biggest money laundromatp-)

Unfortunatly Terra Securities here in Norway dident have Uncle Abu Dhabi to help out and went belly up today.. http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200711280453DOWJONESDJONLINE000423_FORTUNE5.htm
The US credit squeeze puts one of Norways biggest Securities companys out of business. Citibank designed the product whitch Terra securities sold.

A lot of people is having a bad day in the Finance business in Norway today.

Cheers
Andreas

Gman3ID
11-28-2007, 09:39 AM
It ain't over yet........

I'm an optomist at heart but what Citi did equates to going to a pawn shop to get a 3rd mortgage on your house and putting up your wife's engagement ring and the family dog as collateral.

Citi needed money FAST...and they're going to be paying 11+% for the cash.....a good 50% premium over the current shareholder dividend....if Citi is such a great investment after taknig a massive haircut and showing a nearly 7% dividend, why did they have to entice a Sovereign Wealth Fund with a much better than retail investor deal?

I'm thinking there's a lot of off balance sheet skeletons in the closet.

If Citi's asset base continues to get hit via asset deflation...that's a hit right on bottom line equity......which would be insolvency/bankruptcy.

If you take away Citi's goodwill, and factor in off balance sheet shenanigans...you're looking at a train wreck with global ramifications that has not been fully disclosed yet....kind of like when Titanic hit the iceburg........no big deal at first.

I'll stick my neck out and say....I'm getting seriously worried about the integrity of our financial systems.

I am willing to bet anyone here that not only will this company move it's headquarters overseas to Abu Dubai, But It will be BOUGHTOUT within a year!!! Any takers?

HALLIBURTON Ticker: (HAL)

Red
11-28-2007, 10:47 AM
It ain't over yet........

I'm an optomist at heart but what Citi did equates to going to a pawn shop to get a 3rd mortgage on your house and putting up your wife's engagement ring and the family dog as collateral.

Citi needed money FAST...and they're going to be paying 11+% for the cash.....a good 50% premium over the current shareholder dividend....if Citi is such a great investment after taknig a massive haircut and showing a nearly 7% dividend, why did they have to entice a Sovereign Wealth Fund with a much better than retail investor deal?

I'm thinking there's a lot of off balance sheet skeletons in the closet.

If Citi's asset base continues to get hit via asset deflation...that's a hit right on bottom line equity......which would be insolvency/bankruptcy.

If you take away Citi's goodwill, and factor in off balance sheet shenanigans...you're looking at a train wreck with global ramifications that has not been fully disclosed yet....kind of like when Titanic hit the iceburg........no big deal at first.

I'll stick my neck out and say....I'm getting seriously worried about the integrity of our financial systems.


I wonder who their extrenal auditors are? It might not just be the financial system that may have issues but the regulatory bodies and checks put in place. If Citi has issues which are not going onto their financial statements then I wonder who the external auditors are that would allow the reports to go out to shareholders. Sorry I am going on this tangent Flagg, I am looking at this from a controls perspective.

Flagg
11-28-2007, 12:06 PM
I wonder who their extrenal auditors are? It might not just be the financial system that may have issues but the regulatory bodies and checks put in place. If Citi has issues which are not going onto their financial statements then I wonder who the external auditors are that would allow the reports to go out to shareholders. Sorry I am going on this tangent Flagg, I am looking at this from a controls perspective.

Not sure about auditors, but a big concern is the credit rating system & derivitives.

the companies themselves get to decide who rates themselves, as well as having early looks at the draft rating results which they can appeal/argue which when combined with the fact they pay the tab, leads one to think this could be the conflict of interest equivalent of what happened with Enron's external accountants.

Banks made HUGE money using massive leverage in recent ears....the same thing happens in reverse if mismanaged...losses are magnified manyfold.

A loss of $1 billion hits bottom line capital reserves directly.....which destroys credit/debt/lending ability by from $40-100+ billion....which flows on to less credit, less borrowing, lower asset prices( residential real estate for one)...into a downward spiral.

Ask people that work in the financial services industry to explain complex derivitives....I'd agree with Warren Buffett who likes to call them weapons of mass financial destruction....theres $400+ trillion of these things floating around and i doubt anyone has a clue as to how they will interact/cascade in a deepening crisis.

Gman3ID
11-28-2007, 12:58 PM
Not sure about auditors, but a big concern is the credit rating system & derivitives.

the companies themselves get to decide who rates themselves, as well as having early looks at the draft rating results which they can appeal/argue which when combined with the fact they pay the tab, leads one to think this could be the conflict of interest equivalent of what happened with Enron's external accountants.

Banks made HUGE money using massive leverage in recent ears....the same thing happens in reverse if mismanaged...losses are magnified manyfold.

A loss of $1 billion hits bottom line capital reserves directly.....which destroys credit/debt/lending ability by from $40-100+ billion....which flows on to less credit, less borrowing, lower asset prices( residential real estate for one)...into a downward spiral.

Ask people that work in the financial services industry to explain complex derivitives....I'd agree with Warren Buffett who likes to call them weapons of mass financial destruction....theres $400+ trillion of these things floating around and i doubt anyone has a clue as to how they will interact/cascade in a deepening crisis.

I an certain that there is going to be more to come of this and other major institutions being "helped out" by our friends in the middle east who are now balooned with petro dollars. With all that money, And some institutions in need of it, This isn't the end of this, I am curious if there's info out there about which Arab/foreign countries currently own western conglomerates now, And I also suppose it will be interesting what it will look like a year from now and how much more they will own with the current situation.

Red
11-28-2007, 01:05 PM
Not sure about auditors, but a big concern is the credit rating system & derivitives.

the companies themselves get to decide who rates themselves, as well as having early looks at the draft rating results which they can appeal/argue which when combined with the fact they pay the tab, leads one to think this could be the conflict of interest equivalent of what happened with Enron's external accountants.

Banks made HUGE money using massive leverage in recent ears....the same thing happens in reverse if mismanaged...losses are magnified manyfold.

A loss of $1 billion hits bottom line capital reserves directly.....which destroys credit/debt/lending ability by from $40-100+ billion....which flows on to less credit, less borrowing, lower asset prices( residential real estate for one)...into a downward spiral.

Ask people that work in the financial services industry to explain complex derivitives....I'd agree with Warren Buffett who likes to call them weapons of mass financial destruction....theres $400+ trillion of these things floating around and i doubt anyone has a clue as to how they will interact/cascade in a deepening crisis.


Good points Flagg. This is going to get real funny real soon. Did you see the Financial Times and their story on Big Banks?

ViktorNavorski
11-28-2007, 07:34 PM
I wonder, does Citi's calculator still compute correctly. Capital infusions do not solve problems overnight, dividend cut, selling off assets, etc. would have been better (As a previous shareholder of Bank of America, I was disappointed by Citi's refusal of a merger with BofA, but that's just me).

Then again, on the flip side, back in the 90s, Citi was in a similar problem. They bet wrong on U.S. and South American real estate deals, here come Alwaleed from Saudi Arabia with $600 million, that $600 million investment had exploded and now value at billions of dollar.


This isn't the end of this, I am curious if there's info out there about which Arab/foreign countries currently own western conglomerates now, And I also suppose it will be interesting what it will look like a year from now and how much more they will own with the current situation.I haven't look up the specifics yet, but the total global Sovereign Investment Funds is around $2 trillion right now, it is predicted that in three years, that number will increase to $7 trillion.

Flagg
11-28-2007, 07:55 PM
Good points Flagg. This is going to get real funny real soon. Did you see the Financial Times and their story on Big Banks?

yeah, I caught that.

financial times is pretty good.....their somewhat less dodgy than most....CNBC is now the comedy channel in my opinion.

loganinkosovo
11-28-2007, 08:05 PM
Former Clinton Treasury Sec. Robert Rubin + Enron Debacle + Citibanks many Debacles = Should have stayed the hell away from anything Citibank.

http://www.slate.com/?id=2068449

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0117-08.htm

Flagg
11-28-2007, 08:10 PM
I wonder, does Citi's calculator still compute correctly.


must be the new math


Capital infusions do not solve problems overnight, dividend cut, selling off assets, etc. would have been better (As a previous shareholder of Bank of America, I was disappointed by Citi's refusal of a merger with BofA, but that's just me).

I agree but common sense financial management doesn't seem to apply anywhere today.....my GUESS is that if Citi thinks/knows we're looking at serious inflation wouldn't they be better off keeping assets and paying paper?


Then again, on the flip side, back in the 90s, Citi was in a similar problem. They bet wrong on U.S. and South American real estate deals, here come Alwaleed from Saudi Arabia with $600 million, that $600 million investment had exploded and now value at billions of dollar.

yup......but i'm thinking we're looking at a repeat of the 70's what with conflict costs, devalued dollar, rising commodities, further destruction of the middle class(well paying jobs going offshore 2.0 ), and massive 3rd world suffering.


I haven't look up the specifics yet, but the total global Sovereign Investment Funds is around $2 trillion right now, it is predicted that in three years, that number will increase to $7 trillion.

and when they start getting used for political purposes or as economic weapons, there goes free trade , and here comes trade barriers, and further disruption for the little guy who doesn't see the 800 pound gorrilla about to sit on him like a bug.

ViktorNavorski
11-30-2007, 11:20 AM
We both agree on the lack of common sense. Even with inflation, their long term position would haven been much better than $7.5 billion from Dubai. Convertible debt with 11% coupon, that's treading a pretty close line to junk bond territory.

and when they start getting used for political purposes or as economic weapons, there goes free trade , and here comes trade barriers, and further disruption for the little guy who doesn't see the 800 pound gorrilla about to sit on him like a bug.Agree too, we already experienced that from Russia, OPEC, etc. with the other commodities.