CNN viewers prefer RON PAUL after tonight's debate

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Just for the record and because I know a lot of people on this board like Ron Paul:

Fill that in and see for yourself:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/debates/scorecard/youtube.debate.112807/

As of Thursday morning 3:00 am EST Ron Paul is first everywhere...


1. Who do you think won the debate?
1. Ron Paul 56% 3768 votes
2. Mike Huckabee 20% 1342 votes
3. Mitt Romney 9% 608 votes
4. John McCain 8% 563 votes
5. Rudy Giuliani 4% 276 votes
6. Fred Thompson 1% 92 votes
7. Duncan Hunter 1% 45 votes
8. Tom Tancredo 0% 13 votes

Total: 6707 votes

2. Who seemed to know most about the issues?
1. Ron Paul 55% 3703 votes
2. John McCain 20% 1366 votes
3. Mike Huckabee 9% 636 votes
4. Mitt Romney 7% 439 votes
5. Rudy Giuliani 4% 301 votes
6. Fred Thompson 2% 117 votes
7. Duncan Hunter 1% 95 votes
8. Tom Tancredo 1% 50 votes

Total: 6707 votes

Who had the best one-liner or comeback?

1. Ron Paul 52% 3481 votes
2. Mike Huckabee 27% 1783 votes
3. Mitt Romney 6% 433 votes
4. John McCain 4% 285 votes
5. Rudy Giuliani 4% 281 votes
6. Fred Thompson 3% 231 votes
7. Duncan Hunter 2% 114 votes
8. Tom Tancredo 1% 99 votes

Total: 6707 votes

Who had the most disappointing performance at the debate?

1. Rudy Giuliani 28% 1887 votes
2. Mitt Romney 23% 1514 votes
3. Fred Thompson 16% 1059 votes
4. Ron Paul 15% 1013 votes
5. John McCain 7% 498 votes
6. Mike Huckabee 5% 344 votes
7. Tom Tancredo 4% 250 votes
8. Duncan Hunter 2% 142 votes

Total: 6707 votes

Whose performance was most surprising?

1. Ron Paul 39% 2622 votes
2. Mike Huckabee 18% 1222 votes
3. Fred Thompson 9% 604 votes
4. Rudy Giuliani 8% 564 votes
5. John McCain 8% 540 votes
6. Mitt Romney 7% 468 votes
7. Tom Tancredo 6% 406 votes
8. Duncan Hunter 4% 281 votes

Total: 6707 votes

Whose campaign got the biggest boost from the debate?

1. Ron Paul 51% 3390 votes
2. Mike Huckabee 26% 1768 votes
3. Mitt Romney 8% 556 votes
4. John McCain 5% 361 votes
5. Fred Thompson 3% 199 votes
6. Rudy Giuliani 3% 187 votes
7. Tom Tancredo 2% 129 votes
8. Duncan Hunter 2% 117 votes

Total: 6707 votes

Who was the snappiest dresser?

1. Ron Paul 49% 3273 votes
2. Fred Thompson 20% 1360 votes
3. Rudy Giuliani 14% 908 votes
4. Mike Huckabee 6% 412 votes
5. Mitt Romney 5% 306 votes
6. Tom Tancredo 3% 185 votes
7. John McCain 2% 140 votes
8. Duncan Hunter 2% 123 votes

Total: 6707 votes


Wow, just wow. I am starting to believe what people said here a while ago: Ron Paul doesn't get much support from the press. You don't hear about him nearly as much as the other ones, yet A LOT of people are supporting him!

[BloodyTalon]

The total votes haven't even gone past 10,000. As far as we know this just shows that Ron Paul voters are more likely to stay up past midnight.

[budgie]

After watching the debate I thought that while the others acquitted themselves fairly well (Huckabee, Romney and Giuliani would all make better presidents than Bush, but then so would that singing pig from Babe) it was only Ron Paul came out espousing a clear departure from the foreign-policy follies of the past few years. This could be why the viewers preferred him. CNN viewers tend to be a moderate bunch and Republican or Dem, they want to see some moderation.

[Snoshi]

The total votes haven't even gone past 10,000. As far as we know this just shows that Ron Paul voters are more likely to stay up past midnight.

Yep... Internet polls dont show a thing..

Ron Paul's points got beaten several times.. "Al-Qaida comes after us because we have a base in Saudi Arabia" is just plain stupid. And he makes it sound like Sadar army is something positive..

[Telmar]

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Who was the snappiest dresser?

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Very significant question.

[Meatwad]

I really hope Ron Paul takes lead among Republicans.

[Mastermind]

If it is Ron Paul...the Democrat candidate will win the election for POTUS. Ron Paul is simply less electable than any of the Dem front runners. The American people will once again be getting to choose between a siht sandwich and a douch bag (said with approipriate respect and credit to South Park).

[kamaz]

wow how surprising, another internet poll won by RP supporters, who've been spamming and manipulating every interenet poll for the last year and half. Paul has been banned from many internet polls because his rabid supporters keep spamming and manipulating the voting system. Paul's comments also showed that he had absolutely no clue about causes and history of the various middle east conflicts, including the history behind al-qaida's rise.

[Lt. James Anderson]

If it is Ron Paul...the Democrat candidate will win the election for POTUS.

I kind of think you are wrong there, buddy. Of all the Rep candidates Ron Paul is the only one that has a chance against Hillary for example ...


Paul's comments also showed that he had absolutely no clue about causes and history of the various middle east conflicts, including the history behind al-qaida's rise.

Most of us here don't give a fcuk about the ME.

[Snoshi]

Most of us here don't give a fcuk about the ME.

But people who live there have different opinion about you.

[Lt. James Anderson]

But people who live there have different opinion about you.

That doesn't concern me in the slightest ... I'm pretty sure we can always get our point across (other than fighting the long wars). :)

[kamaz]

Most of us here don't give a fcuk about the ME.



maybe you should. the next time you get into your gas guzzler Hummer or truck, you're giving a f-ck about the ME

RP's big idea of foreign policy is isolationism, which has obviously been so effective during the last 100 years. maybe you should read up on the history of isolationism.

[evanfitz]

Yep... Internet polls dont show a thing..

Ron Paul's points got beaten several times.. "Al-Qaida comes after us because we have a base in Saudi Arabia" is just plain stupid. And he makes it sound like Sadar army is something positive..

Osama's Fatwa address states his motives are from foreign occupation of muslim holy sites.

In fact his fatwa was entitled "Declaraction of War against the American Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places"

[evanfitz]

maybe you should. the next time you get into your gas guzzler Hummer or truck, you're giving a f-ck about the ME

RP's big idea of foreign policy is isolationism, which has obviously been so effective during the last 100 years. maybe you should read up on the history of isolationism.


what makes his stance isolationist?

[Snoshi]

Osama's Fatwa address states his motives are from foreign occupation of muslim holy sites.

In fact his fatwa was entitled "Declaraction of War against the American Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places"

Yeah.. It a "good" reason..Its same crap as Hezbollah saying that it fights to get Sheba Farms back.. Its a good pretext to win some support from the leftist. But Islamic terrorists hate USA for many other reasons, in their eyes USA is the Great Satan, it represents the "perverted" West. They hate USA for the values that USA represent like freedom of speech and religious freedom.

Leaving the bases in the ME will just give them a sense of victory that will lead to more attacks against American targets

[WarriorMonk]

Ron Paul seems to be the kind of guy that would "listen" to the terrorists, but he's not totally isolationist -

if so, then why did he vote for the Letter of Marque that sent the US into Afghanistan? He seems to be the kind of guy that would probably unleash hell on earth on whoever attacks us - after he thinks that diplomacy has failed.

And with the dollar going downhill these days he probably knows that to be isolationist is economical suicide. (don't kill me I'm not good at econ)


Yeah.. It a "good" reason..Its same crap as Hezbollah saying that it fights to get Sheba Farms back.. Its a good pretext to win some support from the leftist. But Islamic terrorists hate USA for many other reasons, in their eyes USA is the Great Satan, it represents the "perverted" West. They hate USA for the values that USA represent like freedom of speech and religious freedom.

Leaving the bases in the ME will just give them a sense of victory that will lead to more attacks against American targets

Trying not to state the obvious, but you do realize that's pretty much the whole point of American elections is to gather the largest base of supporters possible regardless of political affiliation?

[Shellshock1918]

But people who live there have different opinion about you.
Yes, the hate us cause we occupy their countries.

[Gothjod]

Internet polls...... why?

[kamaz]

Osama's Fatwa address states his motives are from foreign occupation of muslim holy sites.

In fact his fatwa was entitled "Declaraction of War against the American Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places"

US has left S.Arabia. Why is bin laden still fighting us? Oh thats right! he has another reason on his list, namely the ideology of Wahabism, that seeks to convert the entire world to Islam whether by peace or by sword. You should read up on bin Laden's thinking and ideology before applying yourself to isolationist schemes in hopes that terrorists leave you alone.

[Lt. James Anderson]

US has left S.Arabia. Why is bin laden still fighting us? Oh thats right! he has another reason on his list, namely the ideology of Wahabism, that seeks to convert the entire world to Islam whether by peace or by sword. You should read up on bin Laden's thinking and ideology before applying yourself to isolationist schemes in hopes that terrorists leave you alone.

Nobody's even talking about Bin Laden anymore (he's not a priority ... maybe never was). So, wtf are you talking about?

[Mastermind]

Trying not to state the obvious, but you do realize that's pretty much the whole point of American elections is to gather the largest base of supporters possible regardless of political affiliation?

I must disagree with that. In our new way of doing politics, it appears the primary objective of the media/politic machine is to maintain the narrowest of margins and to essentially equalize the two parties. You see, by managing the electorate so that elections are won or lost by less than 1%, you effectively emasculate the voters. This is the same principle as cornering the vote on any one particular special interest group...I cite the "Black vote"...since 80% of black voters vote reflexivly Democrat, there is no point in either party paying any particular attention to them. Likewise, as long as the tension between the party voters can be maintained equal, there is again no reason for a politician to listen to the general public on any issue. With such small margins of difference, just about any sway in polls can be neutralized by simply pandering to some other small interest group. Since any politican only needs to maintian a .5% or less poll advantage, there is really an easy balancing act. Any politican who can not maintan this parity there is no need to run...that pol could never survive in such a delicately fine tuned system as exists today.

All this thanks to the instant mass communication of the internet.

[BloodyTalon]

Nobody's even talking about Bin Laden anymore (he's not a priority ... maybe never was). So, wtf are you talking about?
Cuz Osama's still in charge of AQ until we discover otherwise. However, according to The Republican primary's version of Howard Dean (AKA: Ron Paul), the reason AQ is fighting us is still over an issue that was resolved long ago.

[Gat0r]

Once again people are getting it wrong calling Ron Paul an isolationist, it says clearly on his web site he is for trade with other countries. What he stresses though is our incredibly porus record of supporting groups or dictators that really arent our friends, such as training the muj in Afganistan (which turned into Al Qeida) to fight the Soviet Union and supplying Saddam with weapons to fight Iran, oh yes that Kodak moment of Rummy shaking hands with Saddam, priceless. We dont need troops guarding South Korea's border anymore let them handle it how about sticking them on our own border with Mexico! When it comes down to it he doesnt want us spread all over the globe playing world police all the while ignoring the major problems at home.

[Lt. James Anderson]

Cuz Osama's still in charge of AQ.

And you know this for a fact? You know that he's even alive? How often do you hear about him on the news nowadays?

[BloodyTalon]

And you know this for a fact? You know that he's even alive? How often do you hear about him on the news nowadays?
He just released another tape today. Look it up.

But its irrelevent anyhow; the fact is that Al Qaeda is STILL fighting us after we left S. Arabia, which they were allegedly set up to oppose. Do you really except them to suddenly disappear if we meet there demands again for whatever reason?

[Lt. James Anderson]

Do you really except them to suddenly disappear if we meet there demands again for whatever reason?

Anyways .... I don't think they are something we can't handle (and neither are any other fcukheads with similar agenda).

But let's stay on topic.

[MichaelF]

Osama's Fatwa address states his motives are from foreign occupation of muslim holy sites.

In fact his fatwa was entitled "Declaraction of War against the American Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places"

And Hitler invaded Poland in response to Polish aggression....




(Hint: it's a lie used to lend legitimacy to otherwise illegitimate acts)

[evanfitz]

US has left S.Arabia. Why is bin laden still fighting us? Oh thats right! he has another reason on his list, namely the ideology of Wahabism, that seeks to convert the entire world to Islam whether by peace or by sword. You should read up on bin Laden's thinking and ideology before applying yourself to isolationist schemes in hopes that terrorists leave you alone.

Doesn't matter when the US left the damage was done, Islam was insulted according to OBL. His anger didn't start at US involvment with Saudi Arabia but before.

We are seeing the insurgence in Iraq respond to our occupation this isn't a result of they hate our freedom and culture here in the states, but as a war on Islam and their way of life (as they see it). I personally feel our presence in Iraq is breeding more Bin Laden's that will violently reveal themselves to us in the future. Cause and effect of an aggressive foreign policy.

What isolationist scheme are you talking about? I never said the islamic terror would leave us alone once a new foreign policy of adopted, but I sure as hell think it will halt many future attacks. Bombing and occupying nations creates terrorism, we fiananced the Mujahideen to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.

What really baffles me is it took only months to find Saddam, 6+ years for Osama. Do you feel our foreign policy is working?

and im still waiting for you to tell me what makes Ron Paul's stance isolationist.

[Shellshock1918]

US has left S.Arabia. Why is bin laden still fighting us?
Um, probably because we INVADED Iraq. And we still support the Saudis.

[NuclearHead]

US has left S.Arabia. Why is bin laden still fighting us? Oh thats right! he has another reason on his list, namely the ideology of Wahabism, that seeks to convert the entire world to Islam whether by peace or by sword. You should read up on bin Laden's thinking and ideology before applying yourself to isolationist schemes in hopes that terrorists leave you alone.

We've been interfering in the middle east for quite a while now. We help oust a democratic leader in Iran in the 1950s, that's just one example. Iraq hasn't helped the situation either.

There's a reason why they're going after the US and not Sweden or any other country not involved in a major way in the Middle East.

[NuclearHead]

He just released another tape today. Look it up.

But its irrelevent anyhow; the fact is that Al Qaeda is STILL fighting us after we left S. Arabia, which they were allegedly set up to oppose. Do you really except them to suddenly disappear if we meet there demands again for whatever reason?

They won't disappear, but their support would drop to the point I don't think they'd want to risk their lives over nothing. I don't think Muslims really enjoy blowing themselves up for no reason.

[NuclearHead]

Ron Paul seems to be the kind of guy that would "listen" to the terrorists, but he's not totally isolationist -

I wouldn't say "listen" to them, but at least understand their motives. I simply don't understand why people seem to have a problem with this.

I mean, when a crime is committed, don't the cops usually want to know the motives for the attack?

[Snoshi]

They won't disappear, but their support would drop to the point I don't think they'd want to risk their lives over nothing. I don't think Muslims really enjoy blowing themselves up for no reason.

Lose support? Do you think that many recruits that they have care for Iraq? Since when do Saudis care for Iraqis? They hate USA for what it stands for.

[Mastermind]

I think of the AQ organization very much like I view the Italian and American Mafia. It is a crime organization very much involved with business and they use terror tactics to enhance their business. The AQ types are just motivated religiously rather than toward any particular "Crime family". They are international, they have hidden influences in various governments and their organization is not monolithic. Their various factions are basically working toward the same general goal...or at least that goal is their surface excuse for their operations. But, each sub-organization works to protect it's own particular interests. It is becoming apparent, anyone can join the AQ quest...but very few are actually the "Real" AQ with connections to the core leadership. The media are really the driving force behind most of their actions. If it were not for world wide media coverage of their attacks, even the smallest, the AQ would be relegated to the petty criminal, local terrorist level they basically operate as. Really, when you look at what they have done over the last twenty years, they have not been terribly clever...lucky yes, and certainly dangerous in a "Monkey with a machine gun" kind of way. But not clever at all.