Morning-after pill to be available over the counter

[EvanL]

CANADIAN PRESS

OTTAWA — The federal Health Department is moving to make the morning-after pill available without prescription across Canada.

The change would give timely access to emergency contraceptives for women, Health Minister Pierre Pettigrew said in a statement today.

The pill blocks pregnancy if taken within 72 hours after intercourse.

Health Canada is making the regulatory changes. It calls for a consultation period, which is standard procedure when a classification is changed, to sell a drug over the counter.

The pill is already available without prescription in B.C., Quebec and Saskatchewan.
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Thats some pretty good news. Making it more available to the public is the first step in cutting down teen pregnancy.

[scott]

excellents news
though i know many conservatives that would disagree

well... the conservative party of canada and the US government at least

[EvanL]

excellents news
though i know many conservatives that would disagree

well... the conservative party of canada and the US government at least
Not all the conservatives disagree man. thats what the canadian public needs to realize. They listen to what the Liberals have to say and nothing else. The Liberals gain votes by trying to trash the conservatives by telling them they will take away their health care or try to convert everybody to christianity.
The Liberals are no better/no worse. All political parties have flaws.

[scott]

The Liberals are no better/no worse. All political parties have flaws.

thats the truth!
what i meant was that as policy the conservative party of canada opposes over the counter emergency contraceptives

[Fintin]

score one for sluts everywhere

[EvanL]

The Liberals are no better/no worse. All political parties have flaws.

thats the truth!
what i meant was that as policy the conservative party of canada opposes over the counter emergency contraceptives
That may be. But if they do gain power, i highly doubt they would change this law, due to the number of votes they would lose.

[Tengu]

Lol i can't remember the time is was outlawed here (good for me i almost got owned). I guess europe is more advanced in that way.

[ShotOver]

Disgusting, openly welcoming unprocted ***, and unhealthy ****** behaviour.

[scm77]

I love it! :lol:

[Durandal]

This has been an issue don here in the States. While I believe that companies like Walmart shoould be able to decide for themselves whether they want to carry it, I think our Federal government should keep its nose out of it.

They are there to make sure the drug is safe, not install their "concept" of morality.

[farmgirl]

score one for sluts everywhere


While I'm not a big fan of the morning after pill, because I fear that it might lead to young people having more unprotected ***, I don't necessarily think that it's bad to have it available over the counter. The original intent of the morning after pill was to prevent pregnancy after rape. It is not meant to replace other forms of birth control. Making it available over the counter may cause a rise in it's use as "OH NO, what did I do last night," birth control, but it might also increase it's use by women who are using it in the way that it was originally intended. Women who might otherwise be too embarrassed to go and get it by prescription. I guess what I'm saying is... I'm up in the air about it, but I don't think the government should attempt to legislate morality.


Fintin: I quoted your post, because I find it extremely tasteless. I'm sure you meant it as a "joke," but it isn't funny.

[Midtown]

they need to get that goddamn b-control shots for me, I dont wanna ****ing have kids, just a **** load of condemless *** with my girly.

[Tengu]

they need to get that goddamn b-control shots for me, I dont wanna f*** have kids, just a **** load of condemless *** with my girly.I read you loud and clear p-)

[Fintin]

Fintin: I quoted your post, because I find it extremely tasteless. I'm sure you meant it as a "joke," but it isn't funny.

yeah...the sarcasim just dont work online as well as it did in my head...sorry

it just pisses me off...this kind of stuff...all it does is make *** even more appealing to some teenie boppers....i say you have to show a marrage licence or no birth control...teen pregnancy might go up for a bit...but *** over all with teens would drop...im just in a bad mood

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Disgusting, openly welcoming unprocted ***, and unhealthy ****** behaviour.
No not really PT once you try using condoms yourself you will find that they are not fool proof and have been known to tear on occasion so the morning after pill is a good back up. Don't listen to your Sunday school teacher PT "unhealthy ****** behaviour" is actually a lot of fun. ;)

[Hullebullen]

[quote="Fintinit just pisses me off...this kind of stuff...all it does is make *** even more appealing to some teenie boppers....i say you have to show a marrage licence or no birth control...teen pregnancy might go up for a bit...but *** over all with teens would drop...im just in a bad mood[/quote]

Not to mention deaths due to botched abortions...

[Jehuty]

It was banned before? :|

Anyway morning after pill not really lead to abuse since it has sometimes unpleasant secondary effects like nauseas.
Well here it's legal and no abuses are reported.It's a good way to prevent abortion.

[Nawlins]

It was banned before? :|

Anyway morning after pill not really lead to abuse since it has sometimes unpleasant secondary effects like nauseas.
Well here it's legal and no abuses are reported.It's a good way to prevent abortion.

That doesn't make any sense. It's not a "good way to prevent abortion," it's just another form of abortion. The point of the morning-after pill is to prevent implantation in case of conception, the embryo dies and is expelled = abortion.

[Anastasius Focht]

It was banned before? :|

Anyway morning after pill not really lead to abuse since it has sometimes unpleasant secondary effects like nauseas.
Well here it's legal and no abuses are reported.It's a good way to prevent abortion.

That doesn't make any sense. It's not a "good way to prevent abortion," it's just another form of abortion. The point of the morning-after pill is to prevent implantation in case of conception, the embryo dies and is expelled = abortion.

But isnt it a solution for that "OMG what did I do" Situations some people have? And especially for YOUNG girls?

[Nawlins]

It was banned before? :|

Anyway morning after pill not really lead to abuse since it has sometimes unpleasant secondary effects like nauseas.
Well here it's legal and no abuses are reported.It's a good way to prevent abortion.

That doesn't make any sense. It's not a "good way to prevent abortion," it's just another form of abortion. The point of the morning-after pill is to prevent implantation in case of conception, the embryo dies and is expelled = abortion.

But isnt it a solution for that O"MG what did I do" Situations some people have? And especially for YOUNG girls?

Maybe. I still say the best solution is keeping your damn pants on. I managed it, it's not that difficult.

[Guttorm]

Hmm, I need to get some of these... Keep in my bedside drawer...

"So, "phew", mind swallowing this too?" :D

[Fintin]

Maybe. I still say the best solution is keeping your damn pants on. I managed it, it's not that difficult.

word....i guess a better way of expressing my earlier comment....

[Anastasius Focht]

It was banned before? :|

Anyway morning after pill not really lead to abuse since it has sometimes unpleasant secondary effects like nauseas.
Well here it's legal and no abuses are reported.It's a good way to prevent abortion.

That doesn't make any sense. It's not a "good way to prevent abortion," it's just another form of abortion. The point of the morning-after pill is to prevent implantation in case of conception, the embryo dies and is expelled = abortion.

But isnt it a solution for that O"MG what did I do" Situations some people have? And especially for YOUNG girls?

Maybe. I still say the best solution is keeping your damn pants on. I managed it, it's not that difficult.

Sure, but to get "out of your pants" is a very personal decision not related to an age. Some 14 year old girls are more mature than some 20 year old, agree?

[scott]

the solution is and always will be better education on teen pregnency and risk of STDs
if a girl has alot of unprotected *** and takes plan b each time, then thats her choice
but it should be as easy a choice to make as possible, so i see this as progress

and for those girls that use this as an excuse to have unprotected ***, i would hope the threat of STDs would dissuade them

in either case, its their and their partners call
the results are their responsibility

[Fintin]

i got an idea..."the night before pill" an over-protective father with a shotgun....if i ever had a daughter the only pants coming off with be the boys when he has to switch out his soiled underwear (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13990&highlight=poop+pants)...not untill there is a ring on the finger and a one time use white dress on the floor will that chamber be empity

[MolliG]

Maybe. I still say the best solution is keeping your damn pants on. I managed it, it's not that difficult.
As my Mum says, "the best form of contraception is; "No.""

I personally think a part of the problem behind all of this is that nowadays most people my age just want to shag 'n' brag, so to speak. It seems the breed of teen' (Like me ;) :lol:.) who would rather 'make love', than just 'shag some bird', are a dieing breed. :|

[Nawlins]

Maybe. I still say the best solution is keeping your damn pants on. I managed it, it's not that difficult.
As my Mum says, "the best form of contraception is; "No.""

I personally think a part of the problem behind all of this is that nowadays most people my age just want to shag 'n' brag, so to speak. It seems the breed of teen' (Like me ;) :lol:.) who would rather 'make love', than just 'shag some bird', are a dieing breed. :|

Yeah... that seems to be part of it. It's sad, really.

I'm not saying I am or was perfect... I'm just saying it's fairly easy to avoid pregnancy, even without a pill.

[Tengu]

Maybe. I still say the best solution is keeping your damn pants on. I managed it, it's not that difficult.Hahahahhaa, sry i like the *** too much ;) . But knock yourself out :D

You don't hear **** like that in my country anymore. Well, maybe a hundred years ago.

[Durandal]

it just pisses me off...this kind of stuff...all it does is make *** even more appealing to some teenie boppers....i say you have to show a marrage licence or no birth control...teen pregnancy might go up for a bit...but *** over all with teens would drop...

That has to be the be one of the more irrational statements I have seen today...

Fact: Without forms of birthcontrol or planned parenthood programs, teen and overall pregnancy goes up. There are about a thousand religious, government, and agency sites that back this point up.

I would love to see the data you have to prove this opinion of yours.

[Durandal]

Not to mention deaths due to botched abortions...

Because that happens ALL the time...

:roll:

[Tengu]

True, teens will have *** with or without brithcontrol.

[Ratamacue]

it just pisses me off...this kind of stuff...all it does is make *** even more appealing to some teenie boppers....i say you have to show a marrage licence or no birth control...teen pregnancy might go up for a bit...but *** over all with teens would drop...

That has to be the be one of the more irrational statements I have seen today...

Fact: Without forms of birthcontrol or planned parenthood programs, teen and overall pregnancy goes up. There are about a thousand religious, government, and agency sites that back this point up.

I would love to see the data you have to prove this opinion of yours.

I love people who actually think rationally. :)

[Durandal]

Its rare for me, but I try. ;)

[Nawlins]

Maybe. I still say the best solution is keeping your damn pants on. I managed it, it's not that difficult.Hahahahhaa, sry i like the *** too much ;) . But knock yourself out :D

You don't hear **** like that in my country anymore. Well, maybe a hundred years ago.

If you make a decision you should understand the possible consequences. Kids shouldn't have ***. Period. Adults should make informed decisions. An "oh ****!" pill doesn't really encourage either one of those things.

[Midtown]

now im mad, im going to have *** with every one of you. Male or female, i dont care, your getting it.

[Fintin]

now im mad, im going to have *** with every one of you. Male or female, i dont care, your getting it.


come at me and you loose it...

[DrunkenMaster]

they need to get that goddamn b-control shots for me, I dont wanna f*** have kids, just a **** load of condemless *** with my girly.
i dont know if that would effect the amount of the shot.....id rather be shooting double 00 buck than a bb..........

[DrunkenMaster]

It was banned before? :|

Anyway morning after pill not really lead to abuse since it has sometimes unpleasant secondary effects like nauseas.
Well here it's legal and no abuses are reported.It's a good way to prevent abortion.

That doesn't make any sense. It's not a "good way to prevent abortion," it's just another form of abortion. The point of the morning-after pill is to prevent implantation in case of conception, the embryo dies and is expelled = abortion.

But isnt it a solution for that "OMG what did I do" Situations some people have? And especially for YOUNG girls?
if there is grass on the field, play ball!!!

[Tane Angle]

Three things, if I may. I don't know when life begins. Neither side has convinced me. I'm not sure that life starts at conception; I'm not even sure that humans are the only species on Earth with such a right to live. I'm still trying to figure out what it is to be alive, to be human.

The second thing is some nice posts on here, especially to Durandal.

The third is that I'm wary of overmedication of any time, be it Ritalin, Prozac, or the morning after pill. It may be dangerous to take such a pill once a month for a period of years; most women won't do that to begin with, but those who use it in place of a condom may encounter side effects. If I'm not mistaken, for this type of drug, the FDA does not legally have to investigate the side-effects of long-term(in this case, fifteen years or more) medication use. Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[mocking_loudly_died]

Gawd I hate kids, anything to prevent the birth of more silly sods is a good thing.

Abortion = yay!
Pills preventing little mockings = yay!

[Tengu]

If you make a decision you should understand the possible consequences. Kids shouldn't have ***. Period. Adults should make informed decisions. An "oh ****!" pill doesn't really encourage either one of those things.should??
Kids will have *** in secret or not, with brithcontrol (less teen mothers) or not (more teen mothers). It's the way of nature. Anyway i'm no fool i've always been carefull.

[Hullebullen]

Not to mention deaths due to botched abortions...

Because that happens ALL the time...

:roll:

I was talking about illegal abortions...Yes, I know, should have said that...

[Durandal]

If you make a decision you should understand the possible consequences. Kids shouldn't have ***. Period. Adults should make informed decisions. An "oh ****!" pill doesn't really encourage either one of those things.

In a perfect world, I would agree with this coompletely. Unfortunately, this is, by far, NOT the world we live in. Human beings are far from perfect not only in the decisions that they make, but in what they teach. A parent could be a model parent, like my parents...always a part of their child's life, teaching them right and wrong...and their child could be like me...rebelling for some stupid reason or another....and suddenly, their son is a dad and he is only 17...

It happens, to the best of us and the worst of us. I know the decisions that I made when I was MUCH younger than I am now were DUMB, that still does not stop the fact that they happened. Nor in this case would the "morning after pill" be relevant since the person I slept with would have believe that to be a form of abortion. I do not support the pill because it could have "helped me if we had access to it" but because I know that even the best of us make mistakes or have accidents.

Now take a nation where the education levels hover around 25%, or their is rampant unemployment and alcoholism, cultural polygamy and/or a male dominated mysoginstic culture, or a combination of all three, and you have a recipe for disaster.

Which is why I am pretty liberal on issues like this.

[fdt]

Medicine school. A professor comes to the lecture hall. Begins his lecture by asking students a question: Dear ladies and gentlemen, please consider such a case: A patient is pregnant, 5th week. She is alcoholic. Father of the child is an alcoholic and syphilictic criminal. What do You suggest? What would be Your opinion?

After a minute of silence one of the best students says: "I would insist on abortion in such case".

Professor replies: Congratulations, young man! You've just killed Ludvig Van Beethoveen!

I always wondered why all the "good advices" from rich to poor begin with pill or smth like that and usually end with pill or smth like that... :roll:

[Durandal]

I always wondered why all the "good advices" from rich to poor begin with pill or smth like that and usually end with pill or smth like that... :roll:

No one is advising it. I certainly am not. I am saying that it should be an "option".

You can play ring around the rosies all you want with what the child could be will be should be and the reality of it is this...its a personal choice, like most things in life. A WHOLE lot of people have a WHOLE lot of views on the issue...

Add to the fact that the world, on a whole is in the middle of population explosion with the centers of growth in regions that lack the technology to to support such populations and you have a recipe for disaster, plain and simple. Humans, being humans, are not going to stop having ***...so you give them alternatives.

[Nawlins]

All arguments I've heard before. I still disagree... I was just expressing my opinion, I know we won't convince each other.

[Fintin]

what if we switched out the morning after pill shipments with posion...morality by fear

[Nawlins]

what if we switched out the morning after pill shipments with posion...morality by fear

now that's just wrong

[Durandal]

what if we switched out the morning after pill shipments with posion...morality by fear

Then your name goes up as numero uno in the "serial killer" thread...

Since when did this become an issue of morality?

[Fintin]

what if we switched out the morning after pill shipments with posion...morality by fear

Then your name goes up as numero uno in the "serial killer" thread...

Since when did this become an issue of morality?

well...i would say 99.9% of the people that would be taking this pill arnt married....morality issue right there....morality issue number two is birthcontrol itself....

[Durandal]

well...i would say 99.9% of the people that would be taking this pill arnt married....morality issue right there....morality issue number two is birthcontrol itself....

A) Quote me your source for this 99% figure...

B) Since when is pre-marrital *** immoral...

C) Since when is birthcontrol a morality issue...

D) Who decides what is moral?

[Nawlins]

well...i would say 99.9% of the people that would be taking this pill arnt married....morality issue right there....morality issue number two is birthcontrol itself....

A) Quote me your source for this 99% figure...

B) Since when is pre-marrital *** immoral...

C) Since when is birthcontrol a morality issue...

D) Who decides what is moral?

Fintin, I think you're wrong... more married people use birth control than you might think.

And Durandal... for people who hold certain moral codes, pre-marital *** and birth control have always been moral issues.

[farmgirl]

well...i would say 99.9% of the people that would be taking this pill arnt married....morality issue right there....morality issue number two is birthcontrol itself....

A) Quote me your source for this 99% figure...

B) Since when is pre-marrital *** immoral...

C) Since when is birthcontrol a morality issue...

D) Who decides what is moral?

A) Fintin's World Book of Knowledge
B) I had *** before I was married.... I am NOT immoral.
C)How the hell is birth control immoral?
D) see A

[Ratamacue]

And Durandal... for people who hold certain moral codes, pre-marital *** and birth control have always been moral issues.

That's great. They can go abstinent and stay away from pills then. The majority of the population (especially teen) does not adhere to such a strict moral code.

[Nawlins]

And Durandal... for people who hold certain moral codes, pre-marital *** and birth control have always been moral issues.

That's great. They can go abstinent and stay away from pills then. The majority of the population (especially teen) does not adhere to such a strict moral code.

I will, thanks. And I know plenty of young people who do the same.

[Fintin]

source...think about it...how many married couples, who dont want children are going to have that little foresite...so no it might not be 99%...but its just common sence

when has pre-merrital *** not been immoral...look at the way people look down on "the easy girl"...look at the casual attitude society has taken to ***...something that should be held in high regard...

im not pushing it to the level the catholic church brings it, but birth control is a morality issue...

who decides what is moral society does...society seems to have deemed this issue worth talking about...and debateing

[Ratamacue]

Maybe it's a moral issue to you, but not to me. If it is to you, that's cool, I respect that, but don't go telling me that my values are wrong. Hypothetically, say my girlfriend wants to have ***. The first person to tell me that it's immoral to do so gets a first-class ass-kicking from me, because I'm tired of people telling me that because I have different values than them I'm immoral. Times change man. Ever heard of the ****** revolution? Every decade *** becomes more and more casual, and you can't stop it. Is this wrong? Maybe to you. If so, don't take after this revolution. But it's not wrong to me, it's just how things are so don't go off telling people they shouldn't have birth control pills because it's contrary to your beliefs.

[Durandal]

And Durandal... for people who hold certain moral codes, pre-marital *** and birth control have always been moral issues.

Nawlins, that's bunk.

Why?

YOUR Morailty is not my morailty. Morality is a personal issue and a choice, and while we may share some common moral codes, we certainly do not share all of them.

And no, I am not talking about kids, I am talking about adults. I am 34 years old. I am sure there are other adults that have similar moral codes as myself. I feel that premarrital *** is healthy. I think birth control is the sign of a modern educated society.

We can go back to burning witches at the stake and watching people cause pain in misery in the name of morality OR we can all live in a community following independent beliefs and not F*ck with each other...you live your life and I live mine.

[Ratamacue]

Goddamn, me and Durandal just posted nearly the same message one after the other. His is a bit more articulate than mine though, so go read his. ;)

[Nawlins]

And Durandal... for people who hold certain moral codes, pre-marital *** and birth control have always been moral issues.

Nawlins, that's bunk.

Why?

YOUR Morailty is not my morailty. Morality is a personal issue and a choice, and while we may share some common moral codes, we certainly do not share all of them.

And no, I am not talking about kids, I am talking about adults. I am 34 years old. I am sure there are other adults that have similar moral codes as myself. I feel that premarrital *** is healthy. I think birth control is the sign of a modern educated society.

We can go back to burning witches at the stake and watching people cause pain in misery in the name of morality OR we can all live in a community following independent beliefs and not F*ck with each other...you live your life and I live mine.

Um... I said for people who hold certain moral codes, such as a Christian moral code.... maybe you don't but there are people who do. Including myself. Which makes it a moral issue for me.

[Nawlins]

Maybe it's a moral issue to you, but not to me. If it is to you, that's cool, I respect that, but don't go telling me that my values are wrong. Hypothetically, say my girlfriend wants to have ***. The first person to tell me that it's immoral to do so gets a first-class ass-kicking from me, because I'm tired of people telling me that because I have different values than them I'm immoral. Times change man. Ever heard of the ****** revolution? Every decade *** becomes more and more casual, and you can't stop it. Is this wrong? Maybe to you. If so, don't take after this revolution. But it's not wrong to me, it's just how things are so don't go off telling people they shouldn't have birth control pills because it's contrary to your beliefs.

I don't remember telling anyone not to use them... I just said I choose not to, and that I think they're a bad idea. I expressed my opinion, just like you expressed yours.

[Ratamacue]

What Durandal is saying is that the moral issues of the minority should not stop birth control from being sold over the counter or stop people from having premarital ***. As I said, if it's an issue with you, it's simple enough to abstain and not use birth control. But if these ideals are enforced you're stopping people with DIFFERENT ideals from pursuing what they think is right.


I don't remember telling anyone not to use them... I just said I choose not to, and that I think they're a bad idea. I expressed my opinion, just like you expressed yours.

My post was directed at Fintin.

[Nawlins]

What Durandal is saying is that the moral issues of the minority should not stop birth control from being sold over the counter or stop people from having premarital ***. As I said, if it's an issue with you, it's simple enough to abstain and not use birth control. But if these ideals are enforced you're stopping people with DIFFERENT ideals from pursuing what they think is right.


I don't remember telling anyone not to use them... I just said I choose not to, and that I think they're a bad idea. I expressed my opinion, just like you expressed yours.

My post was directed at Fintin.

I understand. I don't intend that my morality be imposed upon the whole society. In a perfect world, that would be great... but it's not a perfect world.

[Fintin]

What Durandal is saying is that the moral issues of the minority should not stop birth control from being sold over the counter or stop people from having premarital ***. As I said, if it's an issue with you, it's simple enough to abstain and not use birth control. But if these ideals are enforced you're stopping people with DIFFERENT ideals from pursuing what they think is right.


I don't remember telling anyone not to use them... I just said I choose not to, and that I think they're a bad idea. I expressed my opinion, just like you expressed yours.

My post was directed at Fintin.

if i dont stand up and tell you your wrong, and you go ahead and do what you want...your telling me im wrong...every time i turn on a tv im told im wrong, every time i listen to music im told i am wrong...sorry if i see a need to fight back once in a while

[Ratamacue]

I'm not saying you're wrong. My post probably sort of implies that, so my bad. What I'm trying to say is that different people hold different values as important to them. You believe that premarital *** is immoral whereas I don't. It's as simple as that.

[Fintin]

i know married people use birthcontrol...but how many use the morning after pill? as far as the percentage, so shoot me that i put a number up there thats basicly common sence. farmgirl, i didnt mean to offend you, it was your choice, its in the past, i dont really know you, i am not judging you, and i never said you were immoral, simply the act itself. the way i see it, a pill in and of itself can be neather moral or immoral, it is amoral. however a pill such as the morning after pill is attached to another event. personaly i have no problem with daily birthcontrol pills or condoms, where i run into an issue is with abortion and a morning after pill. why would you feel the need to take such a pill if you didnt feel you made a mistake?moral, amoral and immoral. an object is amoral same with an action. a person is both moral and immoral. ***...amoral....*** with someone other then your husband or wife...immoral...

to think all this coming from the kid trying to figure out why God seems to hate him

[Durandal]

source...think about it...how many married couples, who dont want children are going to have that little foresite...so no it might not be 99%...but its just common sence

I KNOW plenty of married couples that use birth control...does this counter your PROFOUND logic and assumption of what you consider common sense...after all EVERY couple wants children.


when has pre-merrital *** not been immoral...look at the way people look down on "the easy girl"...look at the casual attitude society has taken to ***...something that should be held in high regard...

Actually, many cultures do not look at pre-marrital *** as being immoral. Modern society as whole especially so. The people that look down on the "easy girl" are often times hypocrites and mysoginists...


im not pushing it to the level the catholic church brings it, but birth control is a morality issue...

Actually you are. Most Christian churches do not consider birth control a morality issue.

You in one generalized sweeping statement have condemned:

Condoms
IUDs
The Pill
Norplant
Sponges, Gels, and Suppositories
Vasectomies
Tuballigation
Abortion
Morning after Pill
******l Contraceprive Films
Diaphragm


who decides what is moral society does...society seems to have deemed this issue worth talking about...and debateing

New Testament man...

Do unto others...

Morality for most is a faith based issue. Since most of us do not share the same faith our concept of morality differs as well. There is no debate. You live by your moral code and I live by mine....and the government covers anything in between.

[Durandal]

...to think all this coming from the kid trying to figure out why God seems to hate him

Well hell, I can answer that one...


what if we switched out the morning after pill shipments with posion...morality by fear

[Fintin]

have you ever been in a church...like i said but you obviously didnt read...i dont have a problem with birthcontrol...its abortions and the morning after pill...when i made that statment about married people i was refering to the morning after pill...sorry that i stayed on topic...but feck it this is starting to get into personal attacks and its total bull ****...

[Durandal]

have you ever been in a church...l

Every Saturday and Sunday for 17 years of my life...


...but I making up for it now, by having LOTS of pre-marrital *** and using birth control...LOTS of birth control...

...lots...


...HUGE AMOUNTS....

...COOOOOOOOOOOPious amounts of rough love....

...

[Fintin]

have you ever been in a church...l

Every Saturday and Sunday for 17 years of my life...


...but I making up for it now, by having LOTS of pre-marrital *** and using birth control...LOTS of birth control...

...lots...


...HUGE AMOUNTS....

...COOOOOOOOOOOPious amounts of rough love....

...

see now your just being an asshole...you take what was a good debate on issues...be it heated and issues that are about personal views, and made it souly personal...

[farmgirl]

have you ever been in a church...l

Every Saturday and Sunday for 17 years of my life...


...but I making up for it now, by having LOTS of pre-marrital *** and using birth control...LOTS of birth control...

...lots...


...HUGE AMOUNTS....

...COOOOOOOOOOOPious amounts of rough love....

...



How youuuu doooin?? ;)

[Fintin]

have you ever been in a church...l

Every Saturday and Sunday for 17 years of my life...


...but I making up for it now, by having LOTS of pre-marrital *** and using birth control...LOTS of birth control...

...lots...


...HUGE AMOUNTS....

...COOOOOOOOOOOPious amounts of rough love....

...



How youuuu doooin?? ;)

arnt you the one that goes off on how only boys brag about how much *** they get, and how you detest "boys"?

[Durandal]

see now your just being an asshole...you take what was a good debate on issues...be it heated and issues that are about personal views, and made it souly personal...

Actually, Fintin, I have been discussing it.

I'll break it down so you can understand it simple terms.

You have your morality.

I have mine.

The day you force yours upon me is the day you get a 5.56 round.

THAT is how strongly I feel. There is nothing to debate. You have made your point (forceable morality) and I have made mine...liberty for all.

Deal with it.

[farmgirl]

have you ever been in a church...l

Every Saturday and Sunday for 17 years of my life...


...but I making up for it now, by having LOTS of pre-marrital *** and using birth control...LOTS of birth control...

...lots...


...HUGE AMOUNTS....

...COOOOOOOOOOOPious amounts of rough love....

...



How youuuu doooin?? ;)

arnt you the one that goes off on how only boys brag about how much *** they get, and how you detest "boys"?


hellloooooo sarcasm.... ;)
and I never said I detested boys... I think boys are cute... I said... I prefer men. ;)

[Durandal]

and I never said I detested boys... I think boys are cute... I said... I prefer men. ;)

How about some COOOOOOpious amount of man then FG?

p-)

[farmgirl]

and I never said I detested boys... I think boys are cute... I said... I prefer men. ;)

How about some COOOOOOpious amount of man then FG?

p-)


well... I would, but I'm fresh out of birth control.... ;)

[Fintin]

Actually, Fintin, I have been discussing it.

telling me about your "lovin" is discussing nothing...so your going to shoot me now cause i have a different oppinion...real smooth


so are you saying in should go out and have premarital ***? just because society says its ok now? society has said lots of things were ok that ended up being totaly wrong....slavery ring a bell, what about the holocust...a good chunk of german society thought that was a sweet idea...hell segrigation was a wonderful idea...just because its a socital norm doesnt make it right....my belief on this doesnt come from church, or God....i really am not sure if there is a god anymore, it comes from haveing the guts to stand up and say no....to stand out and do my own thing.....and not what the rest of the world says is the thing to do....

[Durandal]

telling me about your "lovin" is discussing nothing...so your going to shoot me now cause i have a different oppinion...real smooth

(Told ya he would not get it FG :P

ReREAD my comments, pause, think about it, take a deep breath, think about it some more, then reread. Then, when it dawns upon you that I have never made such comments then you can continue the conversation.

[Tengu]

what if we switched out the morning after pill shipments with posion...morality by fear :| And you talk of morality??

Anyway i have never met someone who thinks like this. Where are you from??

[farmgirl]

i know married people use birthcontrol...but how many use the morning after pill? as far as the percentage, so shoot me that i put a number up there thats basicly common sence. farmgirl, i didnt mean to offend you, it was your choice, its in the past, i dont really know you, i am not judging you, and i never said you were immoral, simply the act itself. the way i see it, a pill in and of itself can be neather moral or immoral, it is amoral. however a pill such as the morning after pill is attached to another event. personaly i have no problem with daily birthcontrol pills or condoms, where i run into an issue is with abortion and a morning after pill. why would you feel the need to take such a pill if you didnt feel you made a mistake?moral, amoral and immoral. an object is amoral same with an action. a person is both moral and immoral. ***...amoral....*** with someone other then your husband or wife...immoral...

to think all this coming from the kid trying to figure out why God seems to hate him


Fintin,
You didn't offend me. I don't care if you think I'm moral or not. I know that I am. In fact, I'm one of the most moral people I know. The fact that I had premarital *** (with my future husband) does not mean that I was an "easy girl." (I'm not saying that you said that) I dated John for two years prior to having *** with him, and we dated for several more years after that before getting married. I find it unrealistic to think that we would date for 7 years and never have ***, but that's just me. I knew that I was going to marry him, and I chose to have *** before marriage. He was the only man with whom I had ***. In my opinion, that's not immoral. That's normal. :D

[Haiw]

You're still immoral for living in Iowa...

[Herrmannek]

Farmgirl don't foget pussy kittens you shot on sight when talking about your morality :) ....

[farmgirl]

Haiw:

You're still immoral for living in Iowa...

I can't help that... no other state will have me.... ;)


Herrmannek:



Farmgirl don't foget pussy kittens you shot on sight when talking about your morality :)

:petting: I didn't really shoot any kitties, Herrmannek. ;) No animals were harmed in the creation of that game..... :D

[Herrmannek]

Some say that crime made in mind also is immoral :)

[farmgirl]

Some say that crime made in mind also is immoral :)


Well.... that confirms it... I'm going to hell.... I guess I might as well have some fun.... :D

[Haiw]

You mean it's time to get immoral? ;)

[Jack Mehoff]

*** is good. Stop complaining.

[farmgirl]

You mean it's time to get immoral? ;)

Exactly! If I'm gonna get punished for naughty thoughts, I might as well get some pleasure from it. p-)


















Who am I kidding.... I'll still be a (mostly) good girl. :D

[Haiw]

Mmmmmmmm dirrty good girls. p-)

[Jehuty]

It was banned before? :|

Anyway morning after pill not really lead to abuse since it has sometimes unpleasant secondary effects like nauseas.
Well here it's legal and no abuses are reported.It's a good way to prevent abortion.

That doesn't make any sense. It's not a "good way to prevent abortion," it's just another form of abortion. The point of the morning-after pill is to prevent implantation in case of conception, the embryo dies and is expelled = abortion.

Your christian beliefs don't have much sense here.
You use all the protections necessary when you have ***, if something bad happened you take a morning-after pill.I don't see anything wrong here.

*** with someone you love is never a negative thing, plus it's good for blood circulation and skin.

[mocking_loudly_died]

Women need to stop using *** as a weapon.

"Marry me or no pussy for you!" - every annoying self-righteous new age born again virgin bint with a *** complex.

Men don't want babies, they stink, **** and piss everywhere and they remind us how we are now forever entwined to some whining trollop that can moan for England.

Bring on the pills, open those legs and make me my dinner.

Amen.

[Jack Mehoff]

Women need to stop using *** as a weapon.

"Marry me or no pussy for you!" - every annoying self-righteous new age born again virgin bint with a *** complex.

Men don't want babies, they stink, **** and piss everywhere and they remind us how we are now forever entwined to some whining trollop that can moan for England.

Bring on the pills, open those legs and make me my dinner.

Amen.

Amen brother.

[Jack Mehoff]

mocking, you should change your avatar because that girl is fudging ugly.

[mocking_loudly_died]

mocking, you should change your avatar because that girl is fudging ugly.

Fine back to the old one till im bored enough to create a new one. :(

[gaz]

see now your just being an asshole...you take what was a good debate on issues...be it heated and issues that are about personal views, and made it souly personal...

Actually, Fintin, I have been discussing it.

I'll break it down so you can understand it simple terms.

You have your morality.

I have mine.

The day you force yours upon me is the day you get a 5.56 round.

THAT is how strongly I feel. There is nothing to debate. You have made your point (forceable morality) and I have made mine...liberty for all.

Deal with it.

I'm with him with the exception of the bullet part, if you try to force your morals upon me I'll probably just tell you if you don't like it you can tongue juggle my balls (And if you're a pretty girl I'll probably actively encourage you to do it as well).

[Herrmannek]

http://www.pluisje.nl/handgrepen/skylar_-_4_(2).jpg

[Nawlins]

It was banned before? :|

Anyway morning after pill not really lead to abuse since it has sometimes unpleasant secondary effects like nauseas.
Well here it's legal and no abuses are reported.It's a good way to prevent abortion.

That doesn't make any sense. It's not a "good way to prevent abortion," it's just another form of abortion. The point of the morning-after pill is to prevent implantation in case of conception, the embryo dies and is expelled = abortion.

Your christian beliefs don't have much sense here.
You use all the protections necessary when you have ***, if something bad happened you take a morning-after pill.I don't see anything wrong here.

*** with someone you love is never a negative thing, plus it's good for blood circulation and skin.

My beliefs have nothing to do with that statement. I was just pointing out fact.

[Resevoir Hogs]

Hey Fintin go **** yourself :bash:

[Fintin]

Hey Fintin go f*** yourself :bash:


sorry for having an oppnion and being willing to stand up for it...

[California Joe]

Easy now Mr. Crankypanties.

[ibstolidude]

What I need to be made legal is an "evening before pill" for her. Now that would be big help.

[California Joe]

They should outlaw beer goggles.

[Nawlins]

Hey Fintin go f*** yourself :bash:

Hey Hog, thanks for personally attacking those of us who choose to express an unpopular viewpoint. That's just great.

[Durandal]

I'm with him with the exception of the bullet part, if you try to force your morals upon me I'll probably just tell you if you don't like it you can tongue juggle my balls (And if you're a pretty girl I'll probably actively encourage you to do it as well).

*feigned shock*


gaz...how could you, THAT would be immoral...

;)

[Durandal]

What I need to be made legal is an "evening before pill" for her. Now that would be big help.

Hell, I am all about the "evening before" pill for me...

Regardless of how immoral some might think it is...

Nothing wrong with a guy taking a pill...

Of course if you are one of those "every sperm is sacred" nut jobs, there is no hope for ya.

[California Joe]

I'm all for any pill that means I don't have to tongue juggle gaz's balls. Just, you know, sayin'.

[Durandal]

I'm right there with ya man...

[Haiw]

What I need to be made legal is an "evening before pill" for her. Now that would be big help.

Hell, I am all about the "evening before" pill for me...

Regardless of how immoral some might think it is...

Nothing wrong with a guy taking a pill...

Of course if you are one of those "every sperm is sacred" nut jobs, there is no hope for ya.
Every sperm IS sacred....but that doesn't mean you can't spray them around at places they weren't originally intended for. ;)

[mocking_loudly_died]

The ***** isn't a fire and forget weapon, go nuts - plenty of ammo left.