French Judge: "Prepare for civil war"

[Doublethinker]

A Judge Warns: France Should Prepare for Civil War

From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Wed, 2007-12-05 11:21

A quote from the French judge, Jean de Maillard (Vice-president of the Superior Court of Orléans, and a professor at the Institute of Political Science in Paris), 28 November 2007 [here is an English translation]

When two schools, a library, a police station, a garage and several other buildings on a list already forgotten are set on fire, not to mention dozens of vehicles each day, we are used to it. It has become almost a routine.

However, the second night of Villiers-le-Bel marks an escalation that the media and the government would probably prefer to hush up, but which may be the start of a new stage: the use of firearms. In truth, the surprise is not that the rioters began to use them, but first, that they hadn't done it sooner [...] and second, that they are still confining themselves to hunting rifles and lead shot. The suburbs however have been armed for a long time with caches of quality war weapons, lethal weapons, against which the bullet-proof vests will be useless.

In other words the situation is explosive in both meanings of the word. It seems that from one riot to the next the techniques harden, the methods become more professional and the police and gendarmes will soon have to confront, if they have not already, experts in urban guerilla warfare [...]

I am convinced that up until now we have been lucky that the thugs and future murderers in the suburbs have not yet dared to use their fire power. I hope that the public authorities will become aware of the imminence of calamity and especially that they will finally seek solutions. I would not like to be in their shoes, for the margin of maneuverability, if there is one, will be very narrow. Yes, the perpetrators must be mercilessly punished. But repression, in the long term, solves nothing.

And people must stop dreaming, those on the Left and the others: neighborhood police are not a panacea either. You cannot graft an ethnic police force ["police communautaire"] on a society that is this sick and torn apart, in which the members are in open rebellion against society. Police are a means, not a solution. Educators will not be useful either: you cannot cure cancer with a placebo. To shower the caids [a type of governorship, originally found in North Africa and Moorish Spain] with subsidies to buy armed peace will be the chosen way: it will provide only a short respite. Is there another solution? I don't know, and I am very happy not to be in government.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2740

[Lt. James Anderson]

Nothing to worry about .. . just give it another five to ten years. ;)

[ren0312]

Nothing to worry about .. . just give it another five to ten years. ;)

I really do not think the problem with France is immigration per se, if anything, I think its immigration rate is too low right now.

[xav]

This judge must be friend (or reading too much) with Maurice G Dantec

[Shellshock1918]

Civil war??? pfft

What are they going to fit with, rocks?

[Kilgor]

Civil war??? pfft

What are they going to fit with, rocks?

did u read the article ?

[Kevlarhead]

I agree with this French judge. And this will happen not only in France, but in many other west European countries aswell. All the warning signals are there already - and they are getting worse and worse/more and more clear.
But as it always goes in Europe, we fail to do anything about it untill it is too late and the conflict is unavoidable. I´ll probably get a beating for saying this, but I do believe that something like what we have seen in Iraq the last 4 years or so, we will see happen in Europe inless than 10 to 15 years from now...

[sct1886]

I really do not think the problem with France is immigration per se, if anything, I think its immigration rate is too low right now.
I doubt you would have that opinion if you were in their shoes. Easy comment to make when you are thousands of miles away. My German neighbor has no plans of returning even for a visit. She stated that N. Africans and other immigrants had made the streets unsafe. She witnessed several incidents of thugs shoving elderly persons in to the street to get them out of their way. If you cannot live in peace, may you rest in pieces.

[Nansouty]

Well, this article can be best summed up by the phrase "wishful thinking". If the likes of Monsieur le Juge were to come to power however, it would become a self fulfilling prophecy. Until now, I'll greet it with a good laugh.

[Lazy Lob]

Well, this article can be best summed up by the phrase "wishful thinking". If the likes of Monsieur le Juge were to come to power however, it would become a self fulfilling prophecy. Until now, I'll greet it with a good laugh.

Thats exactly what Monsieur Le Juge seems to not be saying. Lost in translation?

[Mastermind]

Please...I recommend a good read on this matter...for the irony of fiction becoming fact, if nothing else...Read The Camp of The Saints, by Jean Raspail...even more ironic...he is a French Author.

Although the novel is written to protray a very condensed time and population...the themes representing the attitudes of the governement officials, the general populace, and the world toward runaway non-assimilating immigration are so accurate as to almost be spooky. (THE BOOK WAS WRITTEN IN 1973)

That is why I believe any nation that refuses to take charge categorically within it's own borders...absolutely is doomed.

[Sharp]

i'm ready for civil war, this is the best thing that could happen to our country, after Sarkozy.

[Mastermind]

To destroy civilization barbarically in order to preserve it...that's a new take on how the future of human kind should be played out. Sometimes, such is necessary.

[Dasein]

Wow, the overreactions here are stunning. We're talking about a few days of very localized riots with no political organization behind them in a country famous for riots and strikes. When the Communards seize Paris, then we can talk about civil war, but for now, it's just a bit of urban unrest.

[NuclearHead]

They chose an uncontrolled and unrestricted multiculturalist path. They're starting to see the results now.

[Dasein]

They chose an uncontrolled and unrestricted multiculturalist path. They're starting to see the results now.

France has always been an 'invented' nation, in the sense that a concept of Frenchness has been the result of centralized efforts by the government to convert those seen as non-French. Read, for example, Weber's 'Peasants into Frenchmen' to see how this was done during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Once you realize how France has constructed itself, these little disturbances are far less of an issue.

[afreu]

I agree with this French judge. And this will happen not only in France, but in many other west European countries aswell. All the warning signals are there already - and they are getting worse and worse/more and more clear.
But as it always goes in Europe, we fail to do anything about it untill it is too late and the conflict is unavoidable. I´ll probably get a beating for saying this, but I do believe that something like what we have seen in Iraq the last 4 years or so, we will see happen in Europe inless than 10 to 15 years from now...


You're saying a Coalition of the Willing will invade Germany searching for WMDs and exploiting the country's vast oil resources. In the aftermath the main ethnic groups, mainly Bavarians, Frisians and Westphalians will turn on eachother and the once great German nation ends in civil war.

[ren0312]

I doubt you would have that opinion if you were in their shoes. Easy comment to make when you are thousands of miles away. My German neighbor has no plans of returning even for a visit. She stated that N. Africans and other immigrants had made the streets unsafe. She witnessed several incidents of thugs shoving elderly persons in to the street to get them out of their way. If you cannot live in peace, may you rest in pieces.

France's net migration rate is only a fifth of the United State's, and a tenth of Canada's, that is why I said that France does not have a problem per se with immigration, besides, France needs all of those migrants if it hopes to have a consistent 3 per cent growth rate for its economy, with its problems with an aging population and a shrinking work force, much of France's recent increase in its birth rate is due to its immigrant population, if you count only the native French, then its fertility rate will still be below replacement level, unfortunately, below replacement fertility rates have made mass immigration a necessity for Western countries in order to compensate for a shrinking working age population and labor shortages.

[roland]

unfortunately, below replacement fertility rates have made mass immigration a necessity for Western countries in order to compensate for a shrinking working age population and labor shortages.

It's not semi-illiterate and/or religious extremist retards that are going to pay our engineer's pension.
Just to say, NOT all immigrants are semi-illiterate and/or religious extremist retards.

[Kevlarhead]

You're saying a Coalition of the Willing will invade Germany searching for WMDs and exploiting the country's vast oil resources. In the aftermath the main ethnic groups, mainly Bavarians, Frisians and Westphalians will turn on eachother and the once great German nation ends in civil war.

I love it when you are being sarcastic.

[BigBaribal]

Isn't diversity great?

[Mastermind]

France has always been an 'invented' nation, in the sense that a concept of Frenchness has been the result of centralized efforts by the government to convert those seen as non-French. Read, for example, Weber's 'Peasants into Frenchmen' to see how this was done during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Once you realize how France has constructed itself, these little disturbances are far less of an issue.
All modern nations are exactly as you describe...with the possible exceptions of South and North Korea, some Arab states and Japan. Very few nations are built from one single ethnic group. In fact, very few nations in human history have achieved that. Nationhood necessarily means conquering lesser tribes and assimilating them into one strong cohesive force. The ultimate goal of nationhood is to come together under a common banner for the good and preservation of all. If tribes can find common ground under that banner, and the stress of losing much of original tribal identity is low enough to achieve the benefit of greater security, then it is likely there will be assembly under the national banner. If it is too great, the tribe will be destroyed, disbursed or will simply be absorbed by the greater nation anyway.

Some tribes resist this to the pont of death...I cite the Basques and Spain and, for some, the Seminole Indians of Florida.

The strength of nations is essentially derived by two conflicting elements; The desire of the majority of citizxens to identify themselves under the national symbol and the diversity so many differnt but loyal cultures bring. If any culture develops within that refuses to identify themsleves as loyalists to the nation, they are destructive as any invading army. If that disloyal culture is allowed to expand and destabilize the rest of the nation it is very much a cancer and should be quickly dealt with. Nations only survive as long as they are strong enough to compete with other nations. As they weaken, they eventually become irrelevant to world affairs and are not as able to protect their national interests, which are the interests of the people.

[Kevlarhead]

You're saying a Coalition of the Willing will invade Germany searching for WMDs and exploiting the country's vast oil resources. In the aftermath the main ethnic groups, mainly Bavarians, Frisians and Westphalians will turn on eachother and the once great German nation ends in civil war.

http://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/605916.html?nv=sml

[kamaz]

They chose an uncontrolled and unrestricted multiculturalist path. They're starting to see the results now.

nice avatar. is that ron paul?

[Thor]

All modern nations are exactly as you describe...with the possible exceptions of South and North Korea, some Arab states and Japan. Very few nations are built from one single ethnic group.
In fact it's the complete opposite. It's the US that's the abnomoly. It's not normal to try and build a nation on an ideology rather than ethnic and cultural ties. In fact USA is a huge experiment just like Soviet Union was.

People have always claimed that USA would dissolve sooner or later. Although so far the length of it's life span has superseded that of Soviet Union with over 130 years. Although you could probably claim that European emigrants to North America had more incommon than e.g. baltic peoples and mongols of the USSR and that the core USA in fact is a tribal alliance like any other European nation.