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Ordie
12-10-2007, 01:59 PM
This is a positive step for China and one that I had predicted what might happen.

The improved standard of living and a rising middle class are demanding transparency, and inclusion on development and environmental issues.

Similar to what happened in South Korea and Taiwan.





Chinese City Asks Public's Input on Proposed Factory
Unusual Request, Accompanying Report on Environmental Impact of Chemical Plant, Follows Large Protests


By Maureen Fan
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, December 7, 2007; A33

BEIJING, Dec. 6 -- With a rare invitation for public comment, the picturesque seaside city of Xiamen (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Xiamen?tid=informline) has released an environmental impact report for a planned chemical plant that has sparked passionate opposition and large-scale protests.
The report, posted online Wednesday, had generated more than 1,500 comments by Thursday on the official Web site for Xiamen, a city in the southeastern province of Fujian where demonstrations against the project drew national attention in June.
More than 10,000 people, and as many as 20,000, participated in mostly peaceful protests coordinated via cellphone and the Internet, compelling Communist Party bureaucrats to take a rare second look at their plans.
"I don't want to hand in my taxes to those who can't guarantee our health," one person wrote online.
"If the project is going to be built, I strongly suggest that the local standing committee put their offices next to this industrial district," another commented, referring to the Communist Party. "It would not only ease the worries of the public, but also ensure the future protection of Haicang," the island where the project is planned across a narrow strait from downtown.
The 300-acre, $1.4 billion factory is the pet project of the Xiamen Communist Party boss and would nearly double the city's gross domestic product to $26 billion, officials said.
But the factory would make paraxylene, a chemical used in plastics and other synthetic products that over time can cause health problems. Residents, including a chemistry professor who is a member of the state-run Chinese Academy of Sciences (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Chinese+Academy+of+Sciences?tid=informline), are worried about leaks, explosions and other potential accidents at the factory, which would be separated from a residential district by a 330-yard-wide, landscaped barrier.
The environmental impact report, prepared by a subsidiary research institute of the State Environmental Protection Administration and a Xiamen urban design environment evaluation team, agreed there is cause for concern.
Putting residential and industrial districts side by side is improper, the report said.
"The 300-meter-wide segregation area is not enough to separate air pollutants. . . . It's inevitable that the residential area will be affected by the industrial district," a 14-page summary of the report says. "The problems show that flaws exist in urban planning, mainly due to the lack of a comprehensive understanding of negative environmental impacts."
But the report says that the risk is acceptable and that any pollution problems would be minor, handing the decision on whether to proceed back to government officials.
"If there is not yet a large-scale residential area, the environmental effect of developing chemical industry in the south of the Haicang district is acceptable," it says.
Li Yi Qiang, a Xiamen resident and environmentalist who was detained for 55 days for participating in the protests, said, "The government may be using this report to test the reaction of the public so that they can decide what to do next."
Li said he hoped that public hearings would follow and predicted that a vocal opposition would be heard. "I think it will be effective. The will of the people can't be violated. Since the government promised that they won't do what ordinary citizens oppose, they have to keep their word."
The public was given 10 days, from Wednesday, to submit opinions. Some reactions are already appearing on popular local online forums such as Xiamen Xiaoyu, which was temporarily shut down in May for hosting heated discussion about the factory.
"I've read the report three times, but I still have many questions," said a participant on Xiamen Xiaoyu, who then listed 10 questions. For example, the writer said, the report says peak concentrations of acetic acid would be lower than the standard of the former Soviet Union (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/U.S.S.R.?tid=informline). "But why cite the Soviet Union as a standard? Isn't there any other standard from developed countries that we can refer to? Or are the standards of other countries too strict?"
But another writer urged people to consider the financial benefits.
"Comparing Xiamen with other coastal cities like Shanghai (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Shanghai?tid=informline) and Shenzhen (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Shenzhen?tid=informline), its development is relatively backward. Don't say that economic development is just for the benefit of officials, it will benefit every person in Xiamen."

Source:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/06/AR2007120602485_pf.html

2Sheds_Jackson
12-10-2007, 05:44 PM
You're right, that's a great sign. Processes like this, driven to their logical conclusions, would would "fix" a lot of the things I don't like about China at the moment. Let's hope the government used the demonstration for something other than to simply compile lists of people to keep an eye on.

Good lord - did you see that they actually cited the former Soviet Union as a model to emulate for environmental impacts? That's kinda like looking at the blueprints of the Hindenburg for their big airship project. :|

I can't think of a name
12-10-2007, 06:02 PM
1 factory out of how many? lol

Ordie you should know better than anyone that the PRC says one thing and does another. They have claimed to be working on Democracy at the "county level" for years now.

Expect another press release soon about the disaster of asking public for their input. Ask the thousands of Chinese who pilgrimage to Beijing for petitions and get rounded up into prisons.

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1357069DKZqmaty

Very "Harmonious" society yes.

Ordie
12-11-2007, 09:28 AM
I've been to Xiamen. It's across the way from Kinmen Island and further beyond is Taiwan. I think its one of the gems of the Chinese Coast, akin to Portland or San Francisco with potential of being a major shipping port if and when the restrictions of direct contact with Taiwan is lifted.

Overall much of the economy has been boosted thanks to Taiwanese real estate investors, aircraft servicing depot for Cathay Pacific, tourism and being a major college town. Xiamen is also the 'homeland' for many overseas Chinese throughout Southeast Asia including Singapore and Phillipines. Many go back to visit adding to tourism.

The Communist can only control the outcome up to a point. The majority of Chinese work in the private sector and have alternative means of obtaining and sending information. Moreover the Communists represents a minority of the population.

The Local Communist are only concerned about meeting quotas. In this case it happens to be increasing revenues through a Chemical plant. Many of the locals are not needy for a plant.

Both the ROC on Taiwan and South Korea were equally repressive as the PRC. The change agent was not calls from students or riots. But a rising middle class demanding transparency, due process, and economic security. When you have these independent stakeholders with money, it's difficult to ignore them.

I can't think of a name
12-11-2007, 02:04 PM
Yes, If not for Hong Kong getting a kick start from the Brits and Shanghainese Xiamen (or Amoy) would be the premier port on the South China Coast.

About the reform driven by the nascent middle class, I believe it is wishful thinking. There is a book out there called Losing the New China
http://www.amazon.com/Losing-New-China-American-Commerce/dp/1594031223/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197399570&sr=8-1

The Author makes the assertion that the growing economy is only solidifying the CCPs power contrary to the belief that it will bring reforms. The Author (Guttman) has testified in congress over this.

taken from the reviews, the points are:

The major claims of this book are:
1) The United States naively thought that economic liberalization and capitalistic prosperity would lead to democratic freedom in China Reality has proven very un -Fukuyama like in this regard and the Chinese totalitarian - state has been strengthened inadvertently by U.S. help.
2) US businesses cooperate with the Chinese government in suppressing the freedom of the Chinese people. These businesses include among others, the Internet giant Google.
3) It is difficult for an outside business person to make money in China unless he adopts the corrupt practices of the Chinese.
4) China is not an inward-looking Middle Kingdom but rather an aggressive potentially dangerous adversary to the free world, first in the economic realm but also increasingly in the military realm.
5) The corruption of Chinese society is also present in the thriving pay- for- play *** business.
6) China is thus not the model for a future world living in prosperity, democracy and freedom, and the personal dignity of the individual.

dava
12-11-2007, 02:40 PM
The 'look at the growing prostitution-industry' comment is hilarious. So Japan must be one of the most corrupt regimes in the world then? And last time i checked the tabloids, USA was still leading the way in ****** addicts.

How is China exactly a economic threat? People fail to realize that the abundance of lowcost goods that are flowing into the western world are keeping inflation down and thus helping our economies greatly. We can't return to a world where everything is locally made, that would really stall the global economy. This is the globalisation everyone craved for.

And ofcourse isnt China at its present state a rolemodel state, but look where they came from and what they achieved in so little years. Or should we believe fukuyama who says that westernstyle democracy is the final point of ideologic history? What arrogance is that?

The author hardly can be called 'objective'.

Ordie
12-11-2007, 04:12 PM
2) US businesses cooperate with the Chinese government in suppressing the freedom of the Chinese people. These businesses include among others, the Internet giant Google.

One of the conditions for Google to allow filtering was to put a disclaimer that the Chinese government was responsible for their limited access.

I can't think of a name
12-11-2007, 04:31 PM
One of the conditions for Google to allow filtering was to put a disclaimer that the Chinese government was responsible for their limited access.

The book goes into great detail and examples. Like Cisco giving them equipment to monitor internet traffic and track users etc.