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Anastasius Focht
05-19-2004, 10:58 AM
More pictures of prison abuse found
Generals questioned by Senate committee
Wednesday, May 19, 2004 Posted: 10:40 AM EDT (1440 GMT)


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Military investigators have turned up another disc of photographs documenting the abuse of Iraqis held at Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee said Wednesday.

"I've just been informed that the Department of Defense has informed the committee that another disc of pictures has been located," said U.S. Sen. John Warner, a Virginia Republican.

"I'll soon advise the committee on the conditions under which and the timing they can be viewed," he said.

Shortly before the committee hearing, Spc. Jeremy Sivits was sentenced by a military court in Iraq to one year in confinement, a demotion and a bad conduct discharge for his role in the Abu Ghraib prison abuse. (Full story)

The Senate committee is hearing from the top U.S. generals in Iraq in the latest in a series of hearings examining the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. soldiers.

Gen. John Abizaid, head of U.S. Central Command, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, commander of U.S. troops in Iraq, and Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller, the new commander of the Abu Ghraib prison, the focus of the controversy, are testifying.

Warner has described the hearing as critical to getting to the bottom of the abuse scandal, an assessment shared by another influential Republican, Sen. John McCain of Arizona.

But Warner's counterpart in the House, Rep. Duncan Hunter, lashed out at the Senate for its plan to hold another hearing on the matter, saying "people are now being pulled out of those battlefield positions" to testify before Congress.

"That is detrimental to the 135,000 good people who are fighting right now in theater and who need their leadership and need a focused leadership," Hunter, a Republican from California, told reporters.

Hunter is the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, and that panel met in private Tuesday with Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, the author of an Army report that cited a "failure of leadership" at the prison outside Baghdad and detailed abuses there. The panel also heard from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

The defense secretary also met with 12 senators over breakfast Tuesday morning and, sources said, he criticized the hearings, saying they were becoming a distraction to the war effort in Iraq.

"He did express frustration that, at some point, additional hearings are counterproductive in terms of the optimal use of his time and the time of the combatant commanders in fighting and winning the war on terror," said Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas.

But Warner stood by his decision to hold what will be the third public hearing by his committee on the mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners.

He stood before television cameras Tuesday afternoon, reading from a letter he sent to Rumsfeld last week.

"Given that some witnesses may need to remain in Iraq for operational reasons, we are open to exploring the option of teleconference of video for some of the hearings," Warner read from his own letter, saying it shows his desire to accommodate the Pentagon.

"It's all laid out very clearly in here," Warner added.

Outrage at mistreatment
Photographs of prisoners cowering before guard dogs and being forced to pose naked in ******ly degrading positions have generated outrage, especially in the Arab world. Rumsfeld and other Pentagon leaders have described the mistreatment -- which, according to the Taguba report, included punching and slapping prisoners -- as an aberration, the work of less than a dozen lower-level MPs.

But some lawmakers -- Democrats and Republicans -- have questioned whether Pentagon policies on interrogation encouraged guards to rough up prisoners and whether military intelligence personnel played an inappropriate role at the prison.

Meanwhile, the commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan has ordered a review of how prisoners have been treated there, a military spokesman told reporters Wednesday. Afghanistan is part of Central Command.

Lt. Gen. David Barno plans to appoint a general to visit every detention facility under coalition command in Afghanistan to make sure they meet international regulations in the spirit of Geneva Conventions.

An Afghan police colonel told a newspaper he was abused in August 2003 while in coalition custody in Gardez and Bagram.

U.S. Army spokesman Lt. Col. Tucker Mansager said coalition leaders were informed of the allegations on May 12 after the newspaper's report and immediately launched an investigation. (Full story)

CNN's Ed Henry and Sean Loughlin contributed to this report.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/19/congress.abuse/index.html

weedman
05-19-2004, 02:11 PM
I'm waiting for the first images from Afghanistan. :roll:

786mine
05-19-2004, 08:10 PM
I'm waiting for the first images from Afghanistan. :roll:

i am sure those will be surfacing in a few months, JUST before the elections!

Fintin
05-19-2004, 08:12 PM
waiting for this thread to be locked....in 5 4 3 2 1.....

He219
05-19-2004, 08:30 PM
Newest pic's: Garner and England, again ..

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BAGHDAD, IRAQ: This undated photo courtesy of ABC News and released 19 May 2004 shows US Spc. Charles Graner of the 372nd Military Police Company smiling and gesturing thumbs-up before by the body of Manadel al-Jamadi, an Iraqi who died in US custody at Abu Ghraib prison. More prosecutions could be added to the seven soldiers facing courts martial over the Abu Ghraib prison abuse, a top US general said 19 May 2004 admitting that widespread problems existed at the jail.

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This undated photo courtesy of ABC News and released 19 May 2004 shows US Private First Class Lynndie England smiling and gesturing thumbs-up before the body of Manadel al-Jamadi, an Iraqi who died in US custody at Abu Ghraib prison.

Beowulf
05-19-2004, 08:35 PM
LEAVENWORTH

mocking_loudly_died
05-19-2004, 08:36 PM
Those chaps are a little fruity.

Ratamacue
05-19-2004, 08:51 PM
LEAVENWORTH

Gordon
05-19-2004, 08:53 PM
waiting for this thread to be locked....in 5 4 3 2 1.....

why should it be locked? ... It's not just bringing up the same old thing again, actual new physical pictures have been found, it's not just another thread concerning the allegations and original pictures. Granted though, it may end up being about that.

usa320
05-19-2004, 08:57 PM
**** england and garner. Their dumbasses make our country and our armed forces look bad and that pisses me the **** off.

Vance
05-19-2004, 09:00 PM
****ing dumbasses. No respect for the dead. :fork:

Sway
05-19-2004, 09:01 PM
most of these people havent even been thru r2i...the prison guards that is....if they have they would empathize with the prisoners...thats the problem:( ...normally navy seals and other branches go thru r2i...so they know how it feels ..but the ones who didnt well thats the majority of the ones who do this sort of crap.

catdat
05-19-2004, 09:03 PM
Does that idiot Garner have a USMC tatt? wtf?

Romulus
05-19-2004, 11:52 PM
Thats not Lynddie England its Spc. Sabrina Harman.

American Patriot
05-20-2004, 12:14 AM
Let's see a mug shot of that retard Sabrina.

Romulus
05-20-2004, 12:27 AM
http://mas.scripps.com/DRMN/2004/05/11/w3na-women-a_e.jpg

Sabrina Harman

catdat
05-20-2004, 12:49 AM
These two new photos could be very convenient for those trying to pin all the blame on the guards.

The other older pictures could be conceivably used to humilate and blackmail the prisoners and therefore help them extract more information. As we all know, some of the guards are stating that they were ordered to perform these acts by MI/CIA and/or the civilian interogators.

I don't see this guy on ice caring much about humiliation or blackmail. In fact I can't conceive of why they would be ordered to pose like that. It leads me to believe they were just f@cking off. If that's true then we could go full circle back to the old pictures and say "How many of them were really interogation techniques and how many are them just f@cking off again?".

I'd still like to know if Garner's USMC tattoo indicates he was a Marine once or if he's a wannabe.

Fargin
05-20-2004, 12:57 AM
In fact I can't conceive of why they would be ordered to pose like that.

What you do, is to take pics of them in ****** poses and then, threaten to release the pictures. ****** innuendoes works like a charm, in a society where honor and shame determines your social status.

catdat
05-20-2004, 01:26 AM
Fargin

What you do, is to take pics of them in ****** poses and then, threaten to release the pictures. ****** innuendoes works like a charm, in a society where honor and shame determines your social status.

Fargin - I know all that thanks. This guy in these two NEW pictures is dead. His social status is DEAD. No more about ****** poses ok - the guy is dead. There is no more information to be had from this guy.

That's why I'm asking why would they be "ordered" to take these two pictures?

martinexsquaddie
05-20-2004, 02:19 AM
So a PFC gets done fair enough
but where were his Nco's and officers?
even if there excuse I was'nt there slight lack of leadership surely :(

OB Kenobi
05-20-2004, 03:59 AM
Fargin

What you do, is to take pics of them in ****** poses and then, threaten to release the pictures. ****** innuendoes works like a charm, in a society where honor and shame determines your social status.

Fargin - I know all that thanks. This guy in these two NEW pictures is dead. His social status is DEAD. No more about ****** poses ok - the guy is dead. There is no more information to be had from this guy.

That's why I'm asking why would they be "ordered" to take these two pictures?

Probably because it was so routine that they stopped even thinking about it. There are supposed to be HUNDREDS of these pictures around, they probably got bored and decided to start making inside jokes about it.

I dunno why else, Democrat spies in the military? :P

All I know is, this was no isolated incident. I don't care what some of the "patriots" on the Internet say, the US military, more precisely the CIA, has a long history of torturing prisoners and what was going on here is not something new, it's just the practice on a bigger scale.

M_S
05-20-2004, 06:08 AM
http://mas.scripps.com/DRMN/2004/05/11/w3na-women-a_e.jpg

Sabrina Harman

OMG! now that is ugly!

She deserves at least 5 years!