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Unwired
12-11-2007, 02:43 AM
MOSCOW - President Vladimir Putin may be about to unveil a political bombshell: a full-scale union between Russia and its smaller Slavic neighbor Belarus.

It's a plan that not only would expand Russia's territory and national prestige; it could also give Mr. Putin, required to step down when his second term ends in March, a new lease on power by producing a fresh Constitution.

Citing Kremlin sources, the independent Ekho Moskvy radio station reported Friday that Putin and Belarussian President Alexander Lukashenko will sign a union treaty during Putin's two-day visit to Minsk this week.

A Kremlin spokesman said the report came "from the realm of speculative fantasies," though he did not deny that the long-debated Russia-Belarus union might be on the verge of realization.

The purported deal, to be endorsed by popular referendum, would involve a full merger of the two countries, including common currency, legal system, armed forces, and state symbols. Putin would be likely to become the new superstate's provisional leader and Mr. Lukashenko its speaker of parliament, the station said.

Belarus's beleaguered opposition called on Belarussians to the streets this week to protest "imminent annexation" by Russia.

"It has become clear that Russia will use economic levers [such as high energy prices] to annex Belarus, or at least compel it to join a 'union state,' " Viktar Ivashkevich, deputy head of the Belarussian Popular Front coalition, said in a statement.

Belarus is Russia's closest ally among ex-Soviet states and has long been dependent on Moscow for energy supplies, security assistance, and economic subsidies. The two countries have had a partial union since 1996, when Lukashenko championed the idea. Since the youthful and popular Putin took power from a weak Boris Yeltsin, however, Lukashenko has cooled to the idea.

But Russia has racheted up the pressure on Lukashenko. Last week the Russian state gas monopoly Gazprom announced a new round of hikes that will triple the price Belarus paid barely a year ago. "As Lukashenko searches for ways to survive politically, it may be that cutting a deal with Putin is starting to look like his best option," says Nikolai Petrov, an expert with the Carnegie Center in Moscow.

Moscow has been seething with speculation about Putin's endgame. As the March presidential elections approach, Putin has not been acting like a politician on the eve of retirement. He personally led the electoral ticket of the United Russia party, which won a commanding 64 percent majority in parliamentary elections last week – a victory which he said gives him a "moral mandate" to continue exercising power.

But one by one, theories about how he will do that have collapsed. Putin did not resign before the presidential election campaign officially began, which could have circumvented the constitutional limit of two consecutive terms and enabled him to run again in March. Last week he declined the State Duma seat he had won, ruling out scenarios that saw him as head of a parliamentary majority.

"One of Putin's main characteristics is to never disclose his plan until the last moment," says Fyodor Lukyanov, editor of Russia in Global Affairs, a foreign policy journal. "He allows all sorts of misimpressions to thrive, while he bides his time and decides what he wants to do."

Experts say a Russia-Belarus union might provide the perfect solution for Putin. "This Russia-Belarus union looks like a very timely plan, one that's closely connected with all the other things that are going on, politically, right now," says Mr. Petrov. A referendum could be held as early as March, in both countries, to approve the Constitution of the new state, followed by elections for its key leaders, says Petrov.

Surveys show that people in mainly Russian-speaking Belarus remain deeply nostalgic for the former Soviet Union and strongly back the idea of reunification with Russia. With a two-thirds majority in the Duma, Putin would be unlikely to face impediments at home.

"It's a very serious project. Reunification is something vast majorities in both Russia and Belarus want," says Sergei Markov, a Kremlin-connected analyst. He says the final details are yet to be worked out, but the basic plan under discussion would involve giant, oil-rich Russia absorbing tiny, economically dependent Belarus in much the way China took over the former British colony of Hong Kong a decade ago. "There are powerful economic and security reasons to go ahead," says Markov.

The purported deal, to be endorsed by popular referendum, would involve a full merger of the two countries, including common currency, legal system, armed forces, and state symbols. Putin would be likely to become the new superstate's provisional leader and Mr. Lukashenko its speaker of parliament, the station said.

Belarus's beleaguered opposition called on Belarussians to the streets this week to protest "imminent annexation" by Russia.

"It has become clear that Russia will use economic levers [such as high energy prices] to annex Belarus, or at least compel it to join a 'union state,' " Viktar Ivashkevich, deputy head of the Belarussian Popular Front coalition, said in a statement.

Belarus is Russia's closest ally among ex-Soviet states and has long been dependent on Moscow for energy supplies, security assistance, and economic subsidies. The two countries have had a partial union since 1996, when Lukashenko championed the idea. Since the youthful and popular Putin took power from a weak Boris Yeltsin, however, Lukashenko has cooled to the idea.

But Russia has racheted up the pressure on Lukashenko. Last week the Russian state gas monopoly Gazprom announced a new round of hikes that will triple the price Belarus paid barely a year ago. "As Lukashenko searches for ways to survive politically, it may be that cutting a deal with Putin is starting to look like his best option," says Nikolai Petrov, an expert with the Carnegie Center in Moscow.

Moscow has been seething with speculation about Putin's endgame. As the March presidential elections approach, Putin has not been acting like a politician on the eve of retirement. He personally led the electoral ticket of the United Russia party, which won a commanding 64 percent majority in parliamentary elections last week – a victory which he said gives him a "moral mandate" to continue exercising power.

But one by one, theories about how he will do that have collapsed. Putin did not resign before the presidential election campaign officially began, which could have circumvented the constitutional limit of two consecutive terms and enabled him to run again in March. Last week he declined the State Duma seat he had won, ruling out scenarios that saw him as head of a parliamentary majority.

"One of Putin's main characteristics is to never disclose his plan until the last moment," says Fyodor Lukyanov, editor of Russia in Global Affairs, a foreign policy journal. "He allows all sorts of misimpressions to thrive, while he bides his time and decides what he wants to do."

Experts say a Russia-Belarus union might provide the perfect solution for Putin. "This Russia-Belarus union looks like a very timely plan, one that's closely connected with all the other things that are going on, politically, right now," says Mr. Petrov. A referendum could be held as early as March, in both countries, to approve the Constitution of the new state, followed by elections for its key leaders, says Petrov.

Surveys show that people in mainly Russian-speaking Belarus remain deeply nostalgic for the former Soviet Union and strongly back the idea of reunification with Russia. With a two-thirds majority in the Duma, Putin would be unlikely to face impediments at home.

"It's a very serious project. Reunification is something vast majorities in both Russia and Belarus want," says Sergei Markov, a Kremlin-connected analyst. He says the final details are yet to be worked out, but the basic plan under discussion would involve giant, oil-rich Russia absorbing tiny, economically dependent Belarus in much the way China took over the former British colony of Hong Kong a decade ago. "There are powerful economic and security reasons to go ahead," says Markov.
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Doublethinker
12-11-2007, 04:03 AM
This is all trash talk. First of all, there's already a Russian-Belorussian union in place.

Second of all, Belarus will never agree to become on of Russia's regions and Russia will never agree to a confederate union, since it may raise eyebrows among its autonomies like Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, Chechnya, which may express desire to become confederate members themselves.

As simple as that.

ZBull84
12-11-2007, 09:46 PM
I also believe this article is blown out of proportion. They are just developing closer ties. Belorussians wouldn't want to reunite with Russia and Lukashenko loves power too much to even share it with Russia.

themacedonian
12-12-2007, 02:13 AM
I can not believe how some people are considering to create a union!!?? :roll:

There is only one Union and it is the European Union, everything else is trash talk.

If Russia and Belorussia form a union then it is a BIG problem because it will raise issues. But if Belorussia joins EU then NO issues. Go figure! :)

Doublethinker
12-12-2007, 02:30 AM
I can not believe how some people are considering to create a union!!?? :roll:

There is only one Union and it is the European Union, everything else is trash talk.

If Russia and Belorussia form a union then it is a BIG problem because it will raise issues. But if Belorussia joins EU then NO issues. Go figure! :)

Read attentively, please. You make me repeat the same things twice.

There already IS a union, with a joint parliament and the head of this parliament is Pavel Borodin.

In fact it already is pretty much as the EU, all it needs is to be delegated some authority to by both states. I don't know what other kind of union Russia and Belarus may agree upon.

But if under union you mean Belarus becoming an autonomous region of Russia, like Tatarstan, - then yes, such union will never be created.

Russian_dude
12-12-2007, 04:32 AM
I also believe this article is blown out of proportion. They are just developing closer ties. Belorussians wouldn't want to reunite with Russia and Lukashenko loves power too much to even share it with Russia.

He is in a very unstable position though. The economy is fragile and there is a seat at the Hague warmed for him. He can't travel, and he is afraid of a coup. It's better to be a no2 in a new Russian Federation, then a no1 at the Hague.

themacedonian
12-12-2007, 04:55 AM
Read attentively, please. You make me repeat the same things twice.

There already IS a union, with a joint parliament and the head of this parliament is Pavel Borodin.

In fact it already is pretty much as the EU, all it needs is to be delegated some authority to by both states. I don't know what other kind of union Russia and Belarus may agree upon.

But if under union you mean Belarus becoming an autonomous region of Russia, like Tatarstan, - then yes, such union will never be created.

I apologize. I miss read it. No I do not think Belorus will become just another republic.

Igor01
12-12-2007, 09:14 AM
The economy is fragile and there is a seat at the Hague warmed for him.

Just curious, can you describe some of Lukashenko's crimes that would earn him the attention of the Hague International Court?

Douros81
12-13-2007, 01:45 AM
Putin Rocks! :)

Ordie
12-13-2007, 02:06 AM
Does this mean Belarus will give up its UN membership?

During the Soviet era, Belarussia and Ukraine both had seats in the UN on the premise they were republics. Thus giving Moscow three seats at the UN.

Russian_dude
12-13-2007, 08:17 AM
Just curious, can you describe some of Lukashenko's crimes that would earn him the attention of the Hague International Court?

Not being a willing puppet of the US?

Asheren
12-13-2007, 09:44 AM
Well depends how this full union would work. If Belarus is fully a part of Russia it would put NATO and central european states in difficult military positon. Especialy considering that Russia suspended CFE.

Banko
12-13-2007, 06:32 PM
Screw Belarus, Putin should take Ukraine.

Douros81
12-13-2007, 11:47 PM
Screw Belarus, Putin should take Ukraine.

The Ukraine is weak. :)

MZKT
12-14-2007, 08:23 PM
Belarussia won't join Russia and let it's industry and social institutions being marauded by russian oligarchs like they did wih their own.

If Putin want a common state, he can make russia a belarussian region. With moscow as regional capital of East-Belarus.:)

Doublethinker
12-15-2007, 03:21 AM
Haha, just as I thought. The Russia strong crew are mostly sovoks, admiring Lukashenko and his itty-bitty semi-feudal semi-socalist worker's paradise.

FOR GOD'S SAKE, MOVE THERE! ENJOY THE BEAUTY OF UNCORRUPTED AND BOOMING BYELORUSSIAN INDUSTRY!

Russian_dude
12-15-2007, 03:59 AM
Better then what happens in Rumania or Moldova though or Turkey.

Doublethinker
12-15-2007, 04:25 AM
Better then what happens in Rumania or Moldova though or Turkey.

Actually its no better than either Romania or Turkey,and Moldova is an artificial entity torn away from Romania created by same sovoks.

eugenlitwin
12-16-2007, 03:10 PM
this storry is so old...

PS to Russian members of MP: Lukaszenka would never exchange independence for cheep oil/gas, are you guys really ready for full scale confederation with him?

http://www.valex.net/eng/171107.html

daily666
12-16-2007, 04:58 PM
Actually its no better than either Romania or Turkey,and Moldova is an artificial entity torn away from Romania created by same sovoks.

I think comparing Turkey to Belarus is a big misunderstanding, while Romania was in crumbles for years it's making speedy progress.

MZKT
12-23-2007, 10:35 PM
Haha, just as I thought. The Russia strong crew are mostly sovoks, admiring Lukashenko and his itty-bitty semi-feudal semi-socalist worker's paradise.

FOR GOD'S SAKE, MOVE THERE! ENJOY THE BEAUTY OF UNCORRUPTED AND BOOMING BYELORUSSIAN INDUSTRY!

Infact many russian and ukrainain pensioneers envied belorussians during the 90s. It was the only CIS-country which didn't sold it's economy to few thieves, didn't destroyed soviet social system and didn't refused salaries for several months.

BTW, in terms of uncorrputed, yes Belorussia is indeed less corrupted then Russia or Ukraine. The state budget was never routed to oligarchs pockets.

CPL Trevoga
12-24-2007, 06:39 AM
Haha, just as I thought. The Russia strong crew are mostly sovoks, admiring Lukashenko and his itty-bitty semi-feudal semi-socalist worker's paradise.

Lukashenko was smart enough to realise that you can't change 80 years of communist economy into capitalist one overnight. As far as sovok, you young wipper-snapper don't remember, but in those day, no American poodel would dare to tell us to change our constitution becasue they did not like it.