Remarkable footage from Afghanistan

[AMIGO]

A very good news report

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d0f_1197424119

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=620_1197423545

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c84_1197423193

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7e0_1197422931

[DevilDogHopeful]

Saw this on TV a while ago. Some very sad stuff in there.

RIP to those fallen Soldiers.

[RS_Leo1A5]

Impressive footage.

RIP to the fallen.

[BritSig]

Best american report i have seen. No macho or dramatic background music, but the blunt reality of their difficult job.

RIP to those brave american fallen.

BritSig.

[Nod]

First part 06:01 lollipop haha, Great clips! Thanks!

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9256/lollipopamericanef4.png (http://imageshack.us)

[orange]

Great vids. RIP to the fallen

[Chops]

Good post Amigo

[Hypno85]

Thanks For Posting. Rest In Peace.

[jsb]

I,m stund , here in holland we don,t get these reports.Suport the troops!!!!

[GunnerBhoy]

Some powerful footage, good post.

[-HUNTER-]

Good footage indeed...

RIP

It must be ****ing hard to do operations in such areas. Where anybody can be the enemy. Where the enemy knows the terrain, and where the enemy has the will to fight till they die...

[xepharo]

great post, def. saving these when I get home.
RIP to these brave warriors. It was very sad when I saw one of the soldiers crying emotionally of its fallen buddy.
Those elders seem to be avoiding the reality.

[J4ckRy4n]

Great footage. RIP soldiers.

[Andrew91]

Great videos, RIP to the fallen.



Those elders seem to be avoiding the reality.

Avoiding the reality of what? I'm sure you wouldn't be too happy with people who killed your family, whether it was a mistake or not.

[Evolv5]

Wow, that was some intense and touching footage.
Thanks a lot for sharing it, it was a great watch!
RIP to the fallen.

[Pete031]

Good post...

[Wazzaap]

Great footage,thanks and RIP!

[xepharo]

The reality being that my friends (US or CF) are in Afghanistan helping them right now, and they need the elders' help to complete their mission.

The US soldiers help the elders and their villages everyday "food, health, or financial issues". Then they get hit by the same people that they had helped because these same elders decided that it was the coalition's fault for inflicting their family casaulties when it's actually the talibans who created this. They want to jihad on these brave warriors who tried to help these elders' family and their safety... i don't know about you, but they are being ignorant.

My view is: help me, help you. Yes, their family got killed by American fire. It was a mistake and it might be hard to digest. But why didn't they called up the Americans when the talibans were there, and kept on reinforcing that: Oh, we weren't hiding any talibans. But the ammo caches are found on that same site where talibans were shooting at our soldiers. It's a confusing situation. I do agree with you, that if it was my family, I would go flipping crazy. In this case however, I disagree. I'd fight to protect my family not from the Americans, but from the talibans.

[schoon]

Damn fine post -- might go down as a classic in years to come . . . RIP to the fallen.

Schoon

[Navor]

Damn it. I have seen lots of videos about Afghanistan and Iraq and some of them with totaly destroyed bodies and much blood and gore but this spontanous cry of a hardened Veteran about his buddies loose is one of the hardest I have seen about those wars

[MoFo]

Damn it. I have seen lots of videos about Afghanistan and Iraq and some of them with totaly destroyed bodies and much blood and gore but this spontanous cry of a hardened Veteran about his buddies loose is one of the hardest I have seen about those wars

I agree', that was an extremely gut wrenching moment for me and I felt like I shouldn't be watching.

[wehrwolf]

excellent post, bro. Thanks.

[MoFo]

*EDIT* doublepost

[bleaches]

RIP to the fallen, prayers for the living

[kuttless]

good vids

R.I.P brave soliders

[Andrew91]

The reality being that my friends (US or CF) are in Afghanistan helping them right now, and they need the elders' help to complete their mission.

The US soldiers help the elders and their villages everyday "food, health, or financial issues". Then they get hit by the same people that they had helped because these same elders decided that it was the coalition's fault for inflicting their family casaulties when it's actually the talibans who created this. They want to jihad on these brave warriors who tried to help these elders' family and their safety... i don't know about you, but they are being ignorant.

My view is: help me, help you. Yes, their family got killed by American fire. It was a mistake and it might be hard to digest. But why didn't they called up the Americans when the talibans were there, and kept on reinforcing that: Oh, we weren't hiding any talibans. But the ammo caches are found on that same site where talibans were shooting at our soldiers. It's a confusing situation. I do agree with you, that if it was my family, I would go flipping crazy. In this case however, I disagree. I'd fight to protect my family not from the Americans, but from the talibans.

I agree with you totally on most things. But when you say " My view is: help me, help you. Yes, their family got killed by American fire. It was a mistake and it might be hard to digest." I'm sure you wouldn't be saying "Oh, it was just a mistake, it's cool guys:hug:".

And who do you think they are going to help? The Taliban don't bomb their houses (sure, they might take civilians onto buildings, but they know the Americans wont fire). Plus, the Taliban have been around for awhile, and they know them, hell, some might even be their family.

I hope no one jumps down my throat, I support the soldiers 110%.

[Bescht]

Great report. My condolence to the families and buddies of the fallen. RIP.
Scuse me, but does anybody know how to download it?

[PhilTN]

Best american report i have seen. No macho or dramatic background music, but the blunt reality of their difficult job.

RIP to those brave american fallen.

BritSig.
dito. best and honest report iv seen ever

[PhilTN]

is there a way to download that video from liveleak onto my pc? or does anyone know where and how to get it ?

[Sloppy Joe2]

very well done and i cant appluad ABC more so for doing this special, thank you for posting this as well.

[Victrix]

is there a way to download that video from liveleak onto my pc? or does anyone know where and how to get it ?

it has already downloaded itself while you were streaming...it is in your internet temp :roll:

[Civil Guard]

great post! hope they smoke out the talitabs fast so we don't need
to watch any more of these horrible footage..

RIP

[xepharo]

Hahaha, Andrew91, no one is gonna jump on your throat.
Like I said before, I understand that, even me, I won't be like: Oh you bombed my son, it's ok. LoL... THAT'D BE SAD IF I DID THAT. I agree with you on that.
But my main point is, these elders should start opening their eyes and realize that, just so long as Taliban is there, they will be in living hell.

Just got home and downloaded all these vids to my HDD. Love em. props to ABC News.

[Andrew91]

Hahaha, Andrew91, no one is gonna jump on your throat.
Like I said before, I understand that, even me, I won't be like: Oh you bombed my son, it's ok. LoL... THAT'D BE SAD IF I DID THAT. I agree with you on that.
But my main point is, these elders should start opening their eyes and realize that, just so long as Taliban is there, they will be in living hell.

Just got home and downloaded all these vids to my HDD. Love em. props to ABC News.

One could also argue that their life will be a living hell as long as the US is there.

But yes, amazing videos.

[Sloppy Joe2]

Hahaha, Andrew91, no one is gonna jump on your throat.
Like I said before, I understand that, even me, I won't be like: Oh you bombed my son, it's ok. LoL... THAT'D BE SAD IF I DID THAT. I agree with you on that.
But my main point is, these elders should start opening their eyes and realize that, just so long as Taliban is there, they will be in living hell.

Just got home and downloaded all these vids to my HDD. Love em. props to ABC News. you have to understand, they think on much more simple level.
i have seen it before, they dont think about we killed them because they did this, we just killed them. that is what is most prevolent with in their understanding. i am not saying the are dumb, i am just saying they are more passionate.


One could also agree that their life will be a living hell as long as the US is there.

But yes, amazing videos. like i said above, it isnt that simple. it is not coalition presence that makes life hard, it is the descions they choose to make that does.

[PhilTN]

it has already downloaded itself while you were streaming...it is in your internet temp :roll:
I must excuse myself for not being a computer nerd... how do I access
my internet temporaries?

[Andrew91]

you have to understand, they think on much more simple level.
i have seen it before, they dont think about we killed them because they did this, we just killed them. that is what is most prevolent with in their understanding. i am not saying the are dumb, i am just saying they are more passionate.

Or maybe it's that they are not sure who to help. The ones who say life will be better yet they bomb their civilians, or the ones who were always there and haven't done this.


like i said above, it isnt that simple. it is not coalition presence that makes life hard, it is the descions they choose to make that does.

So they should just lay down and allow themselves to be bombed? Now of course I don't believe that is the intent of the coalition forces, but how are they supposed to?

[MoFo]

So they should just lay down and allow themselves to be bombed?

NewsFlash - No Taliban, No bombs. That is all.

[Andrew91]

NewsFlash - No Taliban, No bombs. That is all.

NewsFlash- No Coalition, No Bombs. That is all.

[MoFo]

NewsFlash- No Coalition, No Bombs. That is all.

Well Done, lets leave and keep the Taliban in then, because their very good at beheading and murdering innocent people who do not conform to their twisted idealogy. Thanks

[Laworkerbee]

One could also argue that their life will be a living hell as long as the US is there.

But yes, amazing videos.

One could also argue and have some proof to back it up that life for many is remarkably improved than it was under the Taliban.

But lets not let facts get in the way.

If you wish to post something claiming otherwise be my guest.

[Andrew91]

Well Done, lets leave and keep the Taliban in then, because their very good at beheading and murdering innocent people who do not conform to their twisted idealogy. Thanks

Well you know, they were there first. So don't make it like there never was an option. Of course I don't think we should leave now.

[Andrew91]

One could also argue and have some proof to back it up that life for many is remarkably improved than it was under the Taliban.

But lets not let facts get in the way.

If you wish to post something claiming otherwise be my guest.

Maybe, but you have probably never lived in a war-zone, and neither have I, so we don't know. Who is to say which is better, living under Taliban oppression, or living in fear that your house could be bombed at any moment.

[Easy]

Very good stuff there, but a moment of silence for those who were lost...

Did anybody see the video of the four SEALs that were KIA? I swear to God that was one of the hardest things I have ever seen. Sitting here in the comforts of my home and watching that makes me feel guilty that I'm not there doing my part.

[MoFo]

Well you know, they were there first. So don't make it like there never was an option. Of course I don't think we should leave now.

Whats happened as happened, ofcourse we had a choice however why dispute when in the thick of it now? All we can do is support the effort and hope to see it through as best as possible.

Ontopic from now.

[Andrew91]

Whats happened as happened, ofcourse we had a choice however why dispute when in the thick of it now? All we can do is support the effort and hope to see it through as best as possible.

Ontopic from now.

So just because we are in it we should support it? Bull****. We should support the people that are forced to be in the middle (soldiers, civilians), but the effort itself? No thanks.

[Laworkerbee]

Maybe, but you have probably never lived in a war-zone, and neither have I, so we don't know. Who is to say which is better, living under Taliban oppression, or living in fear that your house could be bombed at any moment.

Good to know where you stand.

[Andrew91]

Good to know where you stand.

What's that supposed to mean?

[Lau]

What's that supposed to mean?

I think it's supposed to mean that, either you support "us" all the way, or you are a terrorist scumbag who deserves to die...

R.I.P to the fallen, may their effort not be forgotten.

[xepharo]

AUDIEM249, what do you mean by they're more passionate?

[bvvelzen]

Rip to those who have fallen.

I was wondering: Sgt Rice was shot in the stomach, even though he was wearing a vest. is it possible that the bullet struck him below the lowest point of the vest. or could it have penetrated the armor?

And in the first video they are shooting across the valley towards the opposite hill. Isn't that a bit far? It looks like a good 1000 meters, and the effective fire distance of the m4/m16 ish weapons is less than that, right?
If the MAG or even the M249 would be firing it would certainly have more of an effect. any explanation on this please.

[timetraveller]

So just because we are in it we should support it? Bull****. We should support the people that are forced to be in the middle (soldiers, civilians), but the effort itself? No thanks.

Talk a walk outside you door and down your street and think about what you have just said ..

[Ratamacue]

Rip to those who have fallen.

I was wondering: Sgt Rice was shot in the stomach, even though he was wearing a vest. is it possible that the bullet struck him below the lowest point of the vest. or could it have penetrated the armor?"Stomach" is a very iffy word in common usage. To most people, it means the abdomen in general, even though it's right below the ribcage. In any case, it's possible that it went into the abdomen below the armor, or through the area between the front and side plates, where only kevlar provides protection.

[gammbino]

What's that supposed to mean?

I think it means that you would rather be oppressed and safe than not oppressed and insecure. That would explain you being against the Afghanistan campaign, nothing wrong with that, but I doubt your views will garner much sympathy.

Great video, thankyou ABC and Jung. RIP to the fallen.

I do have a problem with this 'other' war characterization, though. I appreciate this effort, but hello ABC, you and the rest of the media are at least party responsible for it being the 'other' war. It seems like with violence down in Iraq the reporting on Afghanistan has increased, but to listen to most reports it sounds like the Taliban/AQ have overrun the entire country.

[BugHunt]

Good reporting.

Sobering seeing how one helo stike can have such consequences.


Must admit if i was a elder and i hated the taliban (as many Afghans do) - lets face it those women and children up on the rooftops are quite likely being coerced. In that situation shown id STILL be thinking twice before openly pointing out taliban in my village.

Yes the american foot patrol MIGHT be able to round them up without a close range firefight exploding in the middle of your village....

But whats going to happen in a few nights time when the footpatrol is back in there base and the taliban sympathisers have noted who cooperated?


Do you think the choppers and troops will come out and save your house or family? And if they did are you going to risk them not getting there in time?

Heck in many places in Iraq we cant even protect our interpreters.....ie those whove risked it to help us.


Not saying its impossible but theyve got to build trust....

[bvvelzen]

"Stomach" is a very iffy word in common usage. To most people, it means the abdomen in general, even though it's right below the ribcage. In any case, it's possible that it went into the abdomen below the armor, or through the area between the front and side plates, where only kevlar provides protection.

Thanks, I didn't realize that stomach was such a "big" area. And isn't the Kevlar supposed to withstand a 7.62 round? I can't think of any bigger caliber rounds being fired.

[Ratamacue]

Thanks, I didn't realize that stomach was such a "big" area. And isn't the Kevlar supposed to withstand a 7.62 round? I can't think of any bigger caliber rounds being fired.The kevlar fabric that lines the entire vest can only stop shrapnel and 9mm pistol rounds. Protection from rifle-caliber shots is provided by the ceramic (boron carbide to be exact) SAPI plates that cover the front, back, and sides of the vests. So if an AK round hits one of the areas of the vest that the plates don't cover, it's going right through.

[Andrew91]

Talk a walk outside you door and down your street and think about what you have just said ..

Okay done...I don't change what I said.

[Andrew91]

I think it means that you would rather be oppressed and safe than not oppressed and insecure. That would explain you being against the Afghanistan campaign, nothing wrong with that, but I doubt your views will garner much sympathy.

I would most certainly rather be oppressed and safe than be in the middle of a war that might end the same way it started.

Also, I know what he meant, but I don't understand what him saying that has to do with anything.

[BugHunt]

I think it means that you would rather be oppressed and safe than not oppressed and insecure.


Seems to fit one or two americans around here......:roll:

[Inalig]

But my main point is, these elders should start opening their eyes and realize that, just so long as Taliban is there, they will be in living hell.
As long as there is no progress in terms of "mentality" out there, there will always be "talibans", it doesn't matter how many you would take out.
Prevention and education are the only effective solutions.

[gammbino]

I would most certainly rather be oppressed and safe than be in the middle of a war that might end the same way it started.

Also, I know what he meant, but I don't understand what him saying that has to do with anything.


I can't speak for him. But what I think it has to with is that you believe that the villagers' preference of the relative security of Taliban/AQ control means that the Americans/NATO should withdraw from Afghan operations because these villagers prefer to be safe. Problem is that Taliban control is what allowed AQ to train and plan operations that have killed Americans, Canadians, Britons, Spaniards and many others. So if we withdrew simply because the Afghans were more interested in short term safety we would just be creating the same problems that led to the Afghanistan invasion in the first place.

[Swifty]

Great Post Ive watched video/news stories of CA, UK, AU forces but haven't seen a lot of US.

I was impressed buy the medic running after the Taliban to save the soldier being dragged away. Even though both died I'm sure it meant a lot for the one solider and his loved ones to be in the company of his brothers before he went.

It's a tough role the soldiers have over there they are asked to both fight the taliban and win over a hearts and mind war. I don't the the tribal leaders are dumb, just don't want change. It's a common trait among most human beings. And the older a person gets the less willing and exceptant they are for change. Keep in mind as children they saw the Russians come and go and the only have a religious education, the Taliban does not teach world history.:-( They just don't know better.

[astro]

Christ that's a hard, hard situation they're in man. It's so difficult to discern all the elements of the story, but easy enough to see the elements they're dealing with.

[Glax69]

that is sad..he should've asked the elders what the fcuk a woman with a child was doing standing on the rooftop.....


Very good stuff there, but a moment of silence for those who were lost...

Did anybody see the video of the four SEALs that were KIA? I swear to God that was one of the hardest things I have ever seen. Sitting here in the comforts of my home and watching that makes me feel guilty that I'm not there doing my part.

Could you post a link please?

[sreto]

that is sad..he should've asked the elders what the fcuk a woman with a child was doing standing on the rooftop.....

Mate, villagers have it hard. They are pretty much stuck between a rock and a hard place. If they don't co-operate with the taliban they get killed, if they co-operate, they will killed. A certain bet is that some of them are taliban fighters or that some of them are working for the taliban as scouts or supporting them. I mean nobody would like to see their wife and child on a rooftop whilst somebody is shooting at the US soldiers.

[DaveDash]

NewsFlash- No Coalition, No Bombs. That is all.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Bombs did go off, roughly over a 10 year period where nothing was done, eventually ending in the death of ~4000 American civilians going to work.

That is all.

According to that video, the troops had only been there for about 6 months. That's not enough time to make a statement 'We're here to stay. Eventually, if you continue to support the Taliban, more of you will die'. Eventually the villagers will either get the message, or the vast majority of men of fighting age will die. I don't think the coalition is leaving Afghanistan any time soon.

Regarding the footage, absolutely incredable.

[Chops]

What's that supposed to mean?

You need to calm down. If you want to rant about the whys and wherefors of OEF open a thread in Political Rants, here's not the place space cowboy

[dacanadianbomb]

You need to calm down. If you want to rant about the whys and wherefors of OEF open a thread in Political Rants, here's not the place space cowboy
Exactly.
That part with the guy crying was definately hard to watch.Like seeing something that you should never have been privy to.I dont know whether I would have aired that if I had control of it.

[spale]

Exactly.
That part with the guy crying was definately hard to watch.Like seeing something that you should never have been privy to.I dont know whether I would have aired that if I had control of it.

Why not?
Thats how war looks like.
War on Terror or any other war for that matter.

Why would you want people at home to have a different picture?

[Zombie Squad]

Sad the operation went bad, be careful out there, always on alert.

[Big Lebowski]

Why not?
Thats how war looks like.
War on Terror or any other war for that matter.

Why would you want people at home to have a different picture?
well, they dont show what it's like anyways.

You dont see what it looks like when a suicide bomber just blew up 40 people at the market, or an insurgent ripped in half by a 50.cal

I dont disagree on showing the soldier crying though.
Shows the human side of things.

[NavyTimes]

or the vast majority of men of fighting age will die.


Following that logic, you would think that everyone would have been lost in Afghanistan after the civil war and the war against sovjet.

Fail.

[sreto]

According to that video, the troops had only been there for about 6 months. That's not enough time to make a statement 'We're here to stay. Eventually, if you continue to support the Taliban, more of you will die'. Eventually the villagers will either get the message, or the vast majority of men of fighting age will die. I don't think the coalition is leaving Afghanistan any time soon.


So what happens when they stop supporting the taliban? They will live a free, peaceful life? Get real, some of them probably ARE the taliban and the coalition cannot always protect them from the taliban. Your statement regarding 'the message' is pretty arrogant. What happens when the majority of the fighting men die, should those who will soon turn to 'fighting age' get killed so that they cant fight and seek revenge for their dead family members. I dont think the Afghanis are leaving Afghanistan neither.

[DaveDash]

Following that logic, you would think that everyone would have been lost in Afghanistan after the civil war and the war against sovjet.

Fail.

Actually you completely and utterly failed to follow any sort of logic, ripped my post completely out of context, then threw some absurd strawman situation in there.

For the sake of a picture thread however Im not going to get into an argument, but feel free to start up a topic somewhere else if you like so I can better explain it to you.

[p$ycho+log!cal]

Rip Brave Fighters, U Will Not Be Forgotten

[Sloppy Joe2]

AUDIEM249, what do you mean by they're more passionate? this applies to many after a life changing event, but i feel that these people take to another level. after something has happened there is no thought within cause and effect, reason or problem solving. first thing coming to mind is how can i uphold the honor of the family, village whatever.
a lot of the Sectarion violence is simple honor killings from what i have observed, has nothing to do with individual sect or group of people only what target hits at home the most. i have seen such acts between two groups of kurds, two groups of shias and the mix between ( i had limited experience with sunnis considering my AO)
too much thinking with their hearts and not their heads, and that is the problem with continueing violence. this is a part of the war that is hard for us to fight for the reason that there are more intimate people such as religous leaders, respected elders, and your basic people who are good at spinning words that carry much more influence to the state of mind of the locals.
we do not have the manpower to work these issues as well as our enemies our.


Rip to those who have fallen.

I was wondering: Sgt Rice was shot in the stomach, even though he was wearing a vest. is it possible that the bullet struck him below the lowest point of the vest. or could it have penetrated the armor?

And in the first video they are shooting across the valley towards the opposite hill. Isn't that a bit far? It looks like a good 1000 meters, and the effective fire distance of the m4/m16 ish weapons is less than that, right?
If the MAG or even the M249 would be firing it would certainly have more of an effect. any explanation on this please. on the first issue, SAPI plates our not full proof gaurentees. the Army as explained to me give the SAPI plates a 70% success rate, not to mention plates take multiple hits within a nearby proximity. Ratamacue brings up is the plates have a limited coverage area, and the ability for the plates to withstand at the edges is limited.
there are multiple variables with in respect of the situation and soldier that could have influenced this result.
second issue: your first objective with in a firefight is to surpress the enemy or take away his will to fight, not kill them that is secondary. i have put rounds where i have wanted them with an m4 of a range of 850m, you just need to learn how to adjust. the range and change of elevation probably does not help, but they are still doing the right thing.
you never let the enemy attack without you giving some response.


Thanks, I didn't realize that stomach was such a "big" area. And isn't the Kevlar supposed to withstand a 7.62 round? I can't think of any bigger caliber rounds being fired. trust me there are and they are shooting them at us.


Sad the operation went bad, be careful out there, always on alert. casualties are not a sign of the success of the operation, it just takes away attention from what has been accomplished. yes they are horrible, but you must keep in mind how many future attacks and deaths you have disrupted.
always on alert is a flawed idea, combatants need mental down-time. this is half the problems of being on COP or Battle-stations, this type of extended exposure is as hazardous to the soldier as gunshot wound.

[Easy]

Could you post a link please?

Glax, PM me.

[Sc-He]

You should but a BIG graphic warning on that vid Easy, it is VERY offending for anyone not being a talib, i have personally watched it and if you know the story aswell that it is one tough video...

You should check out this thread: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=71680

But on the other hand, it would be interesting to hear what the man in the end in the interview states about the incident, although i know the ACTUAL truth after reading Lone Survivor..

[Ratamacue]

Glax, here ya go. WARNING: this video is not for the faint of heart.

(link removed)

You'll have to register to view if you haven't done it yet. It's filmed by the insurgents and they rifle through the SEALs equipment after they police up the bodies. It wasn't easy for me to watch...

BTW, I'm in WB/Wilmington, too.You've been registered at this forum for almost two years, so you should know better. But since you don't, take a gander at this thread:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1554


2.8. Don't post terrorist propaganda videos. These can be identified by usually having terrorist organization logos, featuring terrorist themed music, and reading of manifestos or shouting of religious decrees while sniping, bombing, or beheading a victim.

[Easy]

You've been registered at this forum for almost two years, so you should know better. But since you don't, take a gander at this thread:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1554

Rat, my apologies - I don't post here very often. It's been edited and I've re-familiarized myself with the forum rules. Thanks.

[bunker43]

The whole stinking place isn't worth the life one son or daughter from any country.