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Zoomie
12-17-2007, 04:28 PM
Norway's emissions up 80%

Just as Norwegian delegates to the UN's conference on climate change started heading home from Bali, came news that Norway's own carbon emissions rose 80 percent from 1990 to 2004. Statoil's refinery at Mongstad is the biggest contributor.

Environmental group Zero has made a list of the 25 largest generators of emissions in Norway. Not surprisingly, the country's oil and gas industry figures heavily on the list.

The Mongstad refinery on Norway's west coast spews out the most carbon, followed by the new gas power plant Naturkraft at Kårstø in Rogaland County.
Then comes the Statfjord oil platform in the Norwegian sector of the North Sea, now operated by StatoilHydro. Gassco's gas terminal is in fourth place.
The first non-oil offender landed in 10th place, the Norcem Brevik cement plant at Grenland on the coast of Telemark County. Yara's fertilizer plant at Porsgrunn was 12th and Hydro's aluminium plants at Sunndalsøra and Karmøy in 14th and 15th place respectively.

Erik Solheim, the government minister in charge of environmental issues who was in Bali last week, admits that Norway's own high level of emissions is "embarrassing." That's why the government plans to donate NOK 15 billion (nearly USD 3 billion) over the next five years to help preserve the world's rain forests. That's viewed as an efficient way of offsetting carbon emissions.
Meanwhile, some politicians found themselves in embarrassing spots as well. Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg had to admit to newspaper Dagsavisen that he still uses an old-fashioned and emission-generating oil heater in his home, even though his own government is strongly encouraging Norwegian households to replace such heating systems.

"We'll see, we haven't made any decisions yet," Stoltenberg said, when asked why he hasn't replaced the oil heater. "I don't really want to say any more about it."
Source (http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article2157059.ece)

Now what will those put out the climate sinners list have to say since they told Australia that if they adopted they Kyoto Treaty, they'd drop a few rankings? rofl

NavyTimes
12-17-2007, 05:18 PM
Our increased emissions are mainly due to the fact that we are supplying energy to the continent. Energy based on Gas, not coal. So just because the emissions are done here, its not because we are going to use the resulting energy ourselves.

But I am going to say straight out: I am deeply embarassed by my government, who are just the biggest gang of leftie ****ups you will find. I am very impressed by the job that is being done in Sweden, and it sucks that we cant learn from them.

Just saw a program about norwegian companies that are developing offshore windmill turbines and wave power plants - They couldnt get any funding for research from the norwegian state, but they could get it from Scotland. A big "**** you" to the people that voted against us joining EU in 1994. We are so ****ing good at sitting on our tall horse, but when it comes to action we are not always so good.

Mind you, our economy is growing a lot these days - thats a sure way to increase emissions. I guess not every country have that problem. :p

vinny_121_ND
12-17-2007, 09:51 PM
Just today, my neighbour left his car running for 30 minutes straight while he went inside to chat with his mom. It's cold here I understand, but it's unacceptable to leave your car running for that long just so the car can be warm. Everybody has heard of the need to decrease emissions, but so far, everybody seems to not do their part (ie waiting for morning coffee at the drive through).

I don't believe in man made climate change, but I do believe that people are wasteful.

Mr.K
12-17-2007, 11:16 PM
Ratified doesn't mean anything.

shocker1
12-17-2007, 11:31 PM
Just today, my neighbour left his car running for 30 minutes straight while he went inside to chat with his mom. It's cold here I understand, but it's unacceptable to leave your car running for that long just so the car can be warm. Everybody has heard of the need to decrease emissions, but so far, everybody seems to not do their part (ie waiting for morning coffee at the drive through).

I don't believe in man made climate change, but I do believe that people are wasteful.
Actually the practice will help. If you just take off with a cold engine, the low temp requires more fuel and the system will run in open loop. This means the system is not monitoring the O2 sensor for mixture and is using a set amount for cold start. If you let the vehicle warm first, the O2 heater will have done it's work, the system will be in closed loop, higher temps require less fuel and the wear on your engine is decreased. Thereby extended the life of the car and the need to purchase a new one that released tons of CO2 during manufacturing.

NavyTimes
12-18-2007, 07:06 AM
Engine heater, anyone?

CMNot
12-18-2007, 08:03 AM
It's winter, I always start my car up before getting in it. Why?

I don't want my precious little tush getting overly cold - or God-forbid piles.

Plus, I am tired of being force fed this media led amplified bull****.

As far as my British politicians are concerned - when the Chinese, Americans, Indians and Brazilians are onside, then we'll dance. Until then its like pissing into the wind.

Mastermind
12-18-2007, 08:50 AM
Typical leftist dream agenda crap. Utopia is always just around the corner for leftists.

They signed Kyoto, so what's the problem?

ting
12-18-2007, 02:42 PM
This is expected. We could of course stop pumping oil and gas. However the global price of oil would probably double in the short term. My guess is our nuclear research reactors would be viewed as an attempt to develop nuclear weapons, while lutefisk would be viewed as chemical weapons. Hence we would be placed on the axis of evil list by Bush, and duly invaded.:roll:

I wonder what our co2 emissions per capita would look like if we included the emissions produced by our oil being burned in other countries?

And don't blame this on the left. The right had their heads in the sand for four years. The left are currently dealing with all those bodies the right buried.

Zoomie
12-18-2007, 02:44 PM
Ah, is that the stench of BS in the air?

ting
12-18-2007, 03:18 PM
No, it`s lutefisk:lol:

Mastermind
12-18-2007, 03:25 PM
Mmmmmmmm Lutefisk.

Mr.K
12-18-2007, 04:39 PM
Typical leftist dream agenda crap. Utopia is always just around the corner for leftists.

They signed Kyoto, so what's the problem?
Not signed, ratified. p-)

Mastermind
12-18-2007, 04:41 PM
Hmmmm, I'll be pondering that all night....

Thanks....:-)

vinny_121_ND
12-18-2007, 05:42 PM
Actually the practice will help. If you just take off with a cold engine, the low temp requires more fuel and the system will run in open loop. This means the system is not monitoring the O2 sensor for mixture and is using a set amount for cold start. If you let the vehicle warm first, the O2 heater will have done it's work, the system will be in closed loop, higher temps require less fuel and the wear on your engine is decreased. Thereby extended the life of the car and the need to purchase a new one that released tons of CO2 during manufacturing.

interesting. I didn't know that. Well, we learn something new everyday.