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RoBBo
05-20-2004, 12:06 AM
http://www.defence.gov.au/news/armynews/editions/1097/images/14grayscalemay20.jpg

Ballistic
05-20-2004, 12:39 AM
Either that or 4RAR. But I wouldnt think the CDT blokes would be inland, they'd be mostly working out of the sea ports wouldnt they ?

n4292936
05-20-2004, 05:43 AM
If its a recent photo then its not 4Cdo or the SASR. CDTs did do some very limited EOD work a little bit inland but, yes, they were mostly operationaly confined to the Al Faw peninsula and Umm Qasr. In fact, they only time they were armed like this was when they were either protecting harbour assets, ongoing diving operations and/or maritime assets or munitions. Im leaning towards 4RAR or SASR...... :D On the other hand, neither the SASR or 4Cdo were using the type vehicle in the backround
www.AusSpecialForces.com

weedman
05-20-2004, 05:55 AM
Hey, it's b/w, so it must be faked :lol:

SiFiOn
05-20-2004, 07:45 AM
If it's CDT or not, I don't know; what I do know is that this is a nice pic!

shrek
05-20-2004, 07:56 AM
He's got the head dress on right which is a clear sign that he's been there a while. It's harder than it looks.

Question: I'm not up on all the acronyms here so where is this guy from and what would his mission be if he's who you think he is?

What sidearm is he most likely carrying?

There is one eccentricity about him that I don't want to mention that strikes me, I'll tell you what it is after someone tells me who he is.

Great pic BTW!!!

moughoun
05-20-2004, 08:04 AM
He's got the head dress on right which is a clear sign that he's been there a while. It's harder than it looks.

Question: I'm not up on all the acronyms here so where is this guy from and what would his mission be if he's who you think he is?

What sidearm is he most likely carrying?

There is one eccentricity about him that I don't want to mention that strikes me, I'll tell you what it is after someone tells me who he is.

Great pic BTW!!!

CDT, Australian clearence diver, like the old udt, or 4th Royal Auatralian regiment a commando

n4292936
05-20-2004, 08:06 AM
CDT = Clearance Diving Team
follow the WWW link at bottom if you're interested.
The CDTs are basically EOD navy guys that also do hydrographic recon. Some of them train with the TAG (Tactical Assualt Group), Australia's counterterrorist teams so as to augment its maritime capability. Basically Aus Navy SF.
4Cdo or 4 RAR (Commando) is the relatively new (established 1997) and in terms of tasking is a cross between SEALs, Rangers and Delta. TAG-East is 4RARs counterterrorist unit. They do mostly direct action stuff in maritime environments... any environment really. It was established so that the Aus SASR could focus more on LRRP duties, and so as to spread the military's SF duties across to another unit as the SASR was stretched very thin.

shrek
05-20-2004, 08:19 AM
Ok, that clears it up. I worked with some Aussie guys in Afgh and they had equipment like that, specifically, we carried the same kind of SATCOM radio (antena sticking out of vest, antena on vehicle in background) and head-piece. They had supressors like ours and some other little stuff that was just like ours which made working with them easier commo wise and ammo/weapon wise. Thanks for the info.

ibstolidude
05-20-2004, 08:46 AM
I wonder why the light trigger is on the lower rather than the grip, interesting.

Graeme
05-20-2004, 09:08 AM
Some shooters prefer to wrap the hand round the magazine well when holding the rifle for pro-longed periods of time, it is certainly comfier that way.

ibstolidude
05-20-2004, 09:41 AM
Some shooters prefer to wrap the hand round the magazine well when holding the rifle for pro-longed periods of time, it is certainly comfier that way.
I disagree completely and although I am not a fan of the vertical grip as it makes the weapon bulkier and harder to use from a vehicle, I find it much easier to use for longer durations as it allows me to 'pull' the weapon into my shoulder rather than forcing my muscles to hold it up. The entire point of the design is to create a more ergonomical manner to fire the weapon. push/pull are common every day arm uses as opposed to lifting in the manner that would be associated with traditional styles of holding the weapon. From a cross shoulder slung position, the vertical grip allows your arm to hang at a more natural manner (try hanging your arm by your nonhiring hip just forwad of the body as if gripping the smaller vertical grip, then do the same around your midsection cupping your hand as if you grip the lower).

The vertical grip is excellant to assist in reflex firing and firing up close, (especially in weapon retention). The close in firing is when one is most likely to use the tac light, to which the "trigger" is attached, and also when one is most likley to use the vertical grip.

And if one does prefer, as do I, to hold the weapon around the magazine well, I wonder why the vertical grip.
I never stated the dude was wrong, I never stated it was ****ed up, I just think it was kinda different.

Graeme
05-20-2004, 09:46 AM
It was just an observation, nothing more. I don't have a vetical grip(due to the fact i dont have an RIS forearm :)) and find it comfier to hold the mag well upclose rather than the fore arm.

shrek
05-20-2004, 09:49 AM
I like the vertical grip only if I know that I am going to be in a "close in" environment. Otherwise, it always bothered me because when you hunker down behind something it was almost impossible to lay the weapon on a rock or vehicle hood and fire it.

I agree with Ib though in that it is great for retention and ease of carry and hold at the ready.