new laws in oz

[kongman]

wtf is this bs ...well i hope this is the right area cause its a rant ..........you have to have a licence to have a sword in australia now like......wtf .......ive been collecting for a while and go to my local dealer (king of knifes ) and he says hes not gettin any more imports because of all these new laws .......is any1 in any other states having this problem....

[BillySing]

wtf is this bs ...well i hope this is the right area cause its a rant ..........you have to have a licence to have a sword in australia now like......wtf .......ive been collecting for a while and go to my local dealer (king of knifes ) and he says hes not gettin any more imports because of all these new laws .......is any1 in any other states having this problem....


I'm afraid I didn't realize that licensing was required for a sword (or something of the ilk) in land of Bundy and Bananas........Though I've heard of such restrictions in the Big Vic for a while now.

I'm afraid it's always the same story, first the firearm restrictions (not all bad, in some respects, in lieu of the abhorrent happenings at Port Arthur) Then the crossbows, now the swords and double edged knives. The future isn't looking especially bright.

I actually bought a sword not too long ago, a rather mighty claymore that caught my eye. I paid cash for it, and took it home. I fear those days may become short lived.

If your a defeatist, you'll realize that the efforts of the government are an inevitability, and such laws cannot be averted.

But if you are defiant of nature, you'll certainly curse the current government and its forebears for conceiving such "fascist" legislation.

For the hoplophobe, perhaps someone with a blessed amount of common sense or maybe one of the few upstanding individuals with a noble sense of morality, you'll understand that it's all for the greater good, and those who covet the ownership of such weapons to be nothing less short of either delusional, psychopathic or misanthropic. And you'll smirk at the foolishness and idiocy of author's opinion.

But all in all, what's it really all about???? The injustice spited upon us? The futility of our endeavor? The evil empirical men who bring their petty controlling whims down upon the unsuspecting bladesmith or collector? Or perhaps the misguided, naive soul with the power to make a difference, ridding us of something that is supposedly too dangerous for our own good?
I wouldn't be surprised if this insane rant makes naught but a lick of sense come the rising of the morrow's sun. Disregard, if so. and I'll See you on the Dark Side of the Moon......

[Asheren]

We had in Poland a law that required a perrmision to have a knife(etc) with edge longer than certain lenght(10cm if my memory is correct). It is no longer in use. Crossbows are licensed in many countries for a good reason. Mostly because it is a weapon that is commonly used for illegal hunting.

Beside what will happen if a criminal steal your sword and use it to commit a crime? God only knows how many swords peoples have in their homes in Australia. Onehanded ones are worst because they allow rapid slashing. All swords shoud be banned for safety of our law abiding citizens and their families.:roll: :| rofl

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Swords are good to go in NSW

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/wpa1998231/

[Calanen]

Can have a sword, but you cannot have an ebil mace or flail..look out, he's robbing the bank with a +5 Mace O' Doom! (from list of prohibited weapons in NSW).


(12) A mace or any other similar article that consists of a club or staff fitted with a flanged or spiked head, other than a ceremonial mace made for and used solely as a symbol of authority on ceremonial occasions.
(13) A flail or any other similar article that consists of a staff or handle that has fitted to one end, by any means, a freely swinging striking part that is armed with spikes or studded with any protruding matter.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

I know some friends that break the law bigtime.

:)

[Andreas]

In Norway you have to have a carying permit to use a slingshot (sporting goods one) outside...

Go figure...p-)

[jango]

I am all for law and order. But lately i think that australia is being over run with laws on everything. I think that they are going over the top on these things.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

I agree to a point......

But there is something that the public shouldn't be allowed to have.

[Thor]

This reminds me, I'm going to post that vid of that crazy australian woman politician debating a NRA representative at King's College.

She was stripped to her bones.

[Calanen]

This reminds me, I'm going to post that vid of that crazy australian woman politician debating a NRA representative at King's College.

She was stripped to her bones.

Please do.

[LRPV]

In Western Australia there is a working paper on the amalgamation of the Weapons Act with the Firearms Act. From what I can understand of the proposals, edged weapons would require similar security cabinets to rifles...

[kongman]

its bs i collect knifes and swords some of them from the LOTR movies ...they should be displayed not stuck away....

[Eztyga]

wtf is this bs ...well i hope this is the right area cause its a rant ..........you have to have a licence to have a sword in australia now like......wtf .......ive been collecting for a while and go to my local dealer (king of knifes ) and he says hes not gettin any more imports because of all these new laws .......is any1 in any other states having this problem....

Kongman, contact your local (state) knife/sword collectors association. If it is anything like Victoria, being a member will exclude you from the law, sort of a loop-hole.

I have a couple of good quality samurai swords (not the crap display type) and didn't want to part with them while I was living in Victoria, nor did I want to break the law. It has been a few years since I was living down that way, but if I remember correctly the only cost involved was an administrative fee paid to a collectors guild.

The only way to fight this BS is to band together, unfortunately too many people just roll over and accept these types of laws.

Another problem is that this type of collecting tends to appeal to a small amount of people so getting a decent sized lobby group that the politicians will sit up and take notice of is nigh on impossible. :-(

Ezy

[kongman]

i used to be a meber of the japanese sword society in nsw , years ago but not now .....ive been looking for another good sword up here for last couple months .....but most of the stores dont have any stock in them.....im going down to sydney soon i might check when i get down there.....

[mdkoh]

Hi guys,


Weapons laws are, in my opinion, stupid. Why? because they remove the ability of law abiding citzens the chance to defend themselves against those that would try to harm them. Most criminals would not put themselves in jeopardy if they thought there was any chance that they might get hurt. They are pussies! To them crime is committted in the light of oppurtunity when they have the upper hand.

If a criminal is bent on taking your life by brandishing a knife or gun, he has already made his intentions known. He cares little about gun laws or weapons laws for that matter. But in that situation who is at the disadvantage? You guessed it the law abiding citizen. How someone can justify taking away the ability of another persons "God Given Right" to defend themselves by what ever means possible. Taking defensive weapons out of the hands of law abiding citizens is giving the criminals the edge they need. Your victims are now safe to engage, watch the crime statistics as your disarming laws mature. InEngland they have banned guns of all types but guess what? Gun crime is on the rise. Go figure :-*$

[digrar]

This topic is on Australian laws, don't hijack it.

[mdkoh]

Australian Gun Laws are repressive and promote criminal behavior, especially gun violence, and blade attacks. You can kill a person just as easily with a knife as you can with a gun, and in some instances quicker. Anyone within 21 feet of you can get to you within 2-3 seconds. This gives you little warning and little time to react.

Plain and simple, no matter where you live, if you take away firearms as a means of self protection, or knives, those who want to do you harm will have them. I think statistics bear this out in those countries that have controlled or banned any weapons.

Don't live in Australia, will probably never visit there. On their present course your country will have a population that not only cannot have guns but will forget how to use guns. In the face of invasion, what good will the citizens be?
:bash:

[digrar]

I think we'll be more than capable of taking on the penguins with sticks....

[kongman]

I think we'll be more than capable of taking on the penguins with sticks....


do you have a permit for that stick.........??

[Ed Robinson]

West Australia: Strangely enough the preferred weapon on the street is a screw driver, a pair of scissors and for serious jobs a machete.
The screw driver is great for stabbing and doing breaks and they use the scissors to cut up cannabis and stab. When spoken the standard excuse is Its not a weapon. However under the Weapons act they can still be charges as section 8 covers anything made or adapted. A gang member was recently apprehended with a machete in a nightclub and charged. The magistrate dismissed the charge as according to him a machete is not a weapon.
I personally have no problem with any one owning a sword, the bigger the better, it’s a bit hard to hide it compared to a screw driver. I would rather face a double handed bastard sword than an angry butcher with two razor sharp boning knives. With the weapons at it all depends on what you are doing with the item at the time. The Police look at things differently if you have a sword on the wall of your home as compared to a sword besides the drivers seat of your car.. The same goes for a base ball bat. If it is beside the seat you would be charged with posses weapon.
In relation to firearms the standard fine is about $500 for a unlicenced handgun missing the serial numbers. It’s a bit pathetic in that they are trying to ban a variety of weapons from collectors however when a crim is caught using one bugger all happens to them.
In the west the only licences required are for firearms either for shooting or for collecting. With the collectors licence they can still be in working order. All firearms have to be in a locked gun cabinet or in a secure room. I know of several persons who have large weapon collections in strong rooms.
If your collection is worth a lot of money you wouldn’t want to keep it under the bed.

The solution is to punish severely persons misusing weapons rather than prevent ownership.

[mdkoh]

In the state I live in, Arizona, gun laws are pretty good. We are able to carry concealed as long as we pass the training and background checks. I have a carry permit but because of some other aspects of my life right now I cannot have them in my home. In another year or 2 that will go away and I can once again have them there.

I liked the "beating penguins with a stick" line. That was pretty good!

Here are 2 of my favorite guns owned right now

[Thor]

I hope Australia reconsiders it's current path. A great country with great climate. I could even see myself migrating there, but with the current laws you'll be spared. p-)

[Lambert58]

One-Step Plan to Domination:

1. Remove a citizen's right to arm himself

Subjugation is so easy nowadays. No one fights back like they used to!

[chrisdef]

Have yas heard the new laws Rudd is gonna bring in where they are going to make Internet providers block out violence and child ****. Im all for blocking to child **** but violence is going abit far. If they mean like rape sites or other freaky stuff like that then again im all for it but they way they described it means sites like this could be blocked too because of its "violent content". That is a joke.

[Calanen]

Have yas heard the new laws Rudd is gonna bring in where they are going to make Internet providers block out violence and child ****. Im all for blocking to child **** but violence is going abit far. If they mean like rape sites or other freaky stuff like that then again im all for it but they way they described it means sites like this could be blocked too because of its "violent content". That is a joke.

All of that was put in place before the Rudd government, I saw a draft of the bill before the election. I do not think they have thought it through, because it would limit all sorts of sites on the internet, including youtube if strictly enforced. I seem to remember there being another thread on it here a while back..

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Have yas heard the new laws Rudd is gonna bring in where they are going to make Internet providers block out violence and child ****. Im all for blocking to child **** but violence is going abit far. If they mean like rape sites or other freaky stuff like that then again im all for it but they way they described it means sites like this could be blocked too because of its "violent content". That is a joke.

It's pretty stupid. Take the websites operated by Kink.com (there is a thread about this company elsewhere) This site deals with material of a BDSM/Fetish nature. It's quite hardcore and can look very violent. Yet it's actions performed between consenting adults. It's quite interesting to note that this companies websites could potentially be banned under such law even though these activities are perfectly legal in this country in private and in the adult industry.

[ArmyJonHall]

It's pretty stupid. Take the websites operated by Kink.com...
Why does it not surprise me you visit those sorts of sites, Min :P


Australian Gun Laws are repressive and promote criminal behavior, especially gun violence, and blade attacks.
I'd have to disagree with that. You can't blame gun-control laws for a increase in weapons related violence before said laws came into place. Not without a little evidence to accompany said statement.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

I was just using it as an example man of how stupid these laws are.

Such activities are perfectly legal between consenting adults but the material will banned under the law. Crazy

[kongman]

i started this thread because i went to one of my local sword suppliers and he not gettin any more in bacause very soon you will have to have a licence to have a sword ..........can we please keep it on topic...

[Calanen]

Don't live in Australia, will probably never visit there. On their present course your country will have a population that not only cannot have guns but will forget how to use guns. In the face of invasion, what good will the citizens be?
:bash:

The Empire of Japan subscribed to a similar theory. Things did not work out so well for them.