Law and order on forum... more liberal approach?

[fdt]

I don't know what to think... I am not a veteran forum visitor. I don't know how it was before. I see how is now.

There is few sheriffs, there are rules. There is a king who is an absolute ruler. Sheriffs take care of the day to day law & order job. They uphold the rules as they understand it. In case where the more radical measures are to be undertaken and some bad guys are to be hanged, sheriffs turn to the King who decides on their life or death. King trusts his sheriffs. The Kingdom works. Authorities are effective. Bandits were rooted out of the forest... along with all small crooks and pickpockets... even the brother Tuck ceased cheating on wine and water... Everyone is careful, very careful...

So as I wrote system is very effective in removing bandits and crooks... is so effective that I wonder ... if not too much effective. Don't You sometimes feel lkie cutting the weeds along with grass and daisies? Wouldn't be enough to find a way to punish them instead of removing? Can't You limit the number of entries for the account or smth? Removing a guy is not a penalty ... it's out of the game. I must say I sometimes miss some guys who were cut off... Despite their itch for flaming they were to some exten the elements of this place's atmosphere... that I begun to like. Don't You think that some "procedural" or "plebiscital" tools should be implemented? Removing the account should not be the one and only mean. The sheriffs decision shouldn't be the only procedure before taking the do or die decision...

Shall we discuss that...? Sheriffs and king... would You like to consult the people...???

[Dalleer]

You know, I think we've hit the core of the problem yet again.

I fully agree with your thoughts on the current situation, and indeed there should be something else explored as well besides the things the mods do the best at the moment.

I personally think that the mods could've skipped a few bans lately or at least selected other troublemakers as well on the list. This is just my opinion, and I'm sure the mods don't give a damn on what I have to say about this but there it is anyhow.

[Tane Angle]

Well, we mods don't really ban people, though it is sometimes requested. I'm not a big fan of banning, I'm not even a big fan of locking threads. The fact is though, the flame wars get ridiculous around here sometimes. Thank you for bringing it up, and I hope that this thread will continue, as I'd be interested to hear other's opinions. This is Hood's site, but he has always seemed very open to hearing what the Parliament, to borrow from fdt's analogy, has to say. Open to requests and recommendations, if you will.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[Dalleer]

Yeah, you moderators do not "directly" ban anyone but let's just say that if you want someone banned then it has big chances of happening..

[Beowulf]

Yeah, you moderators do not "directly" ban anyone but let's just say that if you want someone banned then it has big chances of happening..

not true

[Dalleer]

Yeah, you moderators do not "directly" ban anyone but let's just say that if you want someone banned then it has big chances of happening..

not true

Well, true or not that's the way I see it.

Perhaps I'm wrong.

[Tane Angle]

Well, I don't know if there's that much power. We actually talk about it, usually for at least a few days/weeks. Remember SS? He was around for about a month and a half, if I remember correctly, before he was banned, but he was flaming for the entire time. We all weren't real eager to moderate at all, so we try to discuss it and talk the person into toning it down a bit. I even tried to be nice and welcoming on the message board and in a PM to one of the recent flamers who was insulting my friends and myself, in hopes of things pacifying. It didn't go real well, but we try.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[Beowulf]

Yeah, you moderators do not "directly" ban anyone but let's just say that if you want someone banned then it has big chances of happening..

not true

Well, true or not that's the way I see it.

Perhaps I'm wrong.

I just told you you're wrong.

[fdt]

Anyone cares to propose some kind of banning procedure? Is there a need to do such a thing or there is no such need?

If yes I could try to write smth like that (it's my job)... Simple, relatively quick,effective, transparent, fair and employing some elments of "popular" control... but all this idea has one ugly feature - is't to some extent a bureaucracy... smth that average internaut hates in real life and even more at favourite websites... ;)

[Beowulf]

Go ahead and make it. I'd be interested in seeing something like that. Then we can refine it and if Hood, and most of the mods like it well....

If it doesn't work out..well it's at least more constructive than being a flamewarrior.
-b

[Herrmannek]

:cantbeli:

[Herrmannek]

Anyone cares to propose some kind of banning procedure? Is there a need to do such a thing or there is no such need?

If yes I could try to write smth like that (it's my job)... Simple, relatively quick,effective, transparent, fair and employing some elments of "popular" control... but all this idea has one ugly feature - is't to some extent a bureaucracy... smth that average internaut hates in real life and even more at favourite websites... ;)
I think this is contradiction

[Dalleer]

Yeah, you moderators do not "directly" ban anyone but let's just say that if you want someone banned then it has big chances of happening..

not true

Well, true or not that's the way I see it.

Perhaps I'm wrong.

I just told you you're wrong.

Perhaps I was wrong, but that still doesn't change the way I feel about this matter.

[ibstolidude]

I don't think there should be any further complication to the banning process. If it is a surprise to someone that they were banned then they are mentally incapable. If banned they have had PLENTY of chances to appeal, discuss, understand and argue. Even after banned, atleast according to Hood, they still can contact him. I have yet to see a mass or majority of people come back and wish a banned user to return. Although I am curious to see what "procedure" one could come up with, it is likely to just end up a battle. The problem with banning by popular vote is that
- it is NOT representative of the population of the forum only the members currently logged in.
- tha majority logged in could certainly be of a specific belief at that time versus another time. i.e. Booting Tane because we the majority online feel that Tane's moderation and consideration is just plain silly; even though Tane has not violated any forum rules.
- people will be "calling" for bannings ever 10 minutes.
- people will polarize into groups of influence in attempts to sway votes.
- about 100 more off the cuff decent reasons.

I DO however feel that we should have a penetentiary feature on the sight that offers an aleternative to banning. A feature that limits posts, identifies the user seperately and offers a chance for debate; one the buttons have been pushed over over over over over over and over then there is little recourse but to give the boot. I have been very, very tight on proposing a ban, very tight; sometime people leave no alternative in order to have a moderate forum. Sixgun and Albanian were perfect examples.

[ibstolidude]

Yeah, you moderators do not "directly" ban anyone but let's just say that if you want someone banned then it has big chances of happening..

not true

Well, true or not that's the way I see it.

Perhaps I'm wrong.

I just told you you're wrong.

Perhaps I was wrong, but that still doesn't change the way I feel about this matter.
Mods do not act as judges - that is typically Admins job - Mods act as cops or even reporters. Hell I have posted the threads in question and information to Admin with the simple words "take a look".

[fdt]

1. Rules of the Forum are the law to be upholded by everyone.
2. Mods and only mods have the initiative to start the banning procedure.
3. Decision is to be made by Hood solely... with no right to appeal.

Banning procedure.

1. Mod creates a "banning post" on general Discussion Forum. This post has appropriate title pointing at person who is to be subject of the procedure. Post consists of:
- nick of the "charged"
- charges: what Forum rules were broken and what way (links to incriminated posts or smth)

2. The post is to stand 3 days, during which everyone (including charged) might write smth in defence or against of the guy. NOTE: There will be no voting or smth... just opinions.

3. On a third day, Hood announces his decision.

Period

[Herrmannek]

THere should be weekend ban, month ban, and just ban :)
Minor bans would be for persons who are ussaly good members but for some reasons steped line and must cooloff or reconsider their actions, for constant violators normal ban...

[fdt]

THere should be weekend ban, month ban, and just ban :)
Minor bans would be for persons who are ussaly good members but for some reasons steped line and must cooloff or reconsider their actions, for constant violators normal ban...Nope. No gradual procedures. keep things simple if You want them work. Mods do their job as usual. They warn flamers... if warnings are not working... banning procedure applies.

[mack pl]

1. Rules of the Forum are the law to be upholded by everyone.
2. Mods and only mods have the initiative to start the banning procedure.
3. Decision is to be made by Hood solely... with no right to appeal.

Banning procedure.

1. Mod creates a "banning post" on general Discussion Forum. This post has appropriate title pointing at person who is to be subject of the procedure. Post consists of:
- nick of the "charged"
- charges: what Forum rules were broken and what way (links to incriminated posts or smth)

2. The post is to stand 3 days, during which everyone (including charged) might write smth in defence or against of the guy. NOTE: There will be no voting or smth... just opinions.

3. On a third day, Hood announces his decision.

PeriodOnly Hood(admin) will have law to ban ppl?Or mods too?

[XASA]

Good thoughts fdt but I have to side with how the mods and Hood have been managing the forum and don't think a new procedure for banning is necessary. Those who were banned were repeatedly warned over a period of time to chill out on the flame wars. When they weren't banned right away, it seem as if they took that as a license to be even more rude and outrageous, and I don't even know what was said in PMs.

Also, most of those who were banned recently were really more interested in spamming the forum with threads that reflected their own sophomoric political leanings and not to inform fellow forum members. It wasn't their politcal stance that drew fire but the fact that the posts were repetitive and boring.

Finally, many of them only came here to incite. Why else would someone like Sixgun constantly post the neo-conservative crap he did? Or Helex's constant European liberal drumbeat against the war? Which turned off the vast majority of forum members.

There isn't a problem with banning. They got what they deserved.

[Fintin]

yeah...the mods have lives unlike some of us ::looks at self:: they dont have time to write up pointless charges on banning people all the time or explaining their actions...just dont piss around....if someone gets banned they deserved it...leave it at that...

[Herrmannek]

THere should be weekend ban, month ban, and just ban :)
Minor bans would be for persons who are ussaly good members but for some reasons steped line and must cooloff or reconsider their actions, for constant violators normal ban...Nope. No gradual procedures. keep things simple if You want them work. Mods do their job as usual. They warn flamers... if warnings are not working... banning procedure applies.

I recognise posting after consumption :) as main problem. Such people ussualy doesn't react on warnings because of their state, they are posting their **** everywere making 50 posts per hour, and if mods could ban them into "custody" without asking for warrant from hood it would be good...

[Abolith]

I think the system works fine.

Current system:

1) warn offender
2) Warn offender again
3) Keep warning offender, while discussing with other Mods.
4) Ask Hood for a ban.
5) If he bans offender, the problem is solved.

seems resonable to me...that and this is Hood's site so he can have it any way he wants...period.

[Dalleer]

Yeah, you moderators do not "directly" ban anyone but let's just say that if you want someone banned then it has big chances of happening..

not true

Well, true or not that's the way I see it.

Perhaps I'm wrong.

I just told you you're wrong.

Perhaps I was wrong, but that still doesn't change the way I feel about this matter.
Mods do not act as judges - that is typically Admins job - Mods act as cops or even reporters. Hell I have posted the threads in question and information to Admin with the simple words "take a look".

Yeah, alright.

But still, in my opinion this place has too many "flame warriors" and "country bashers" (fortunately that has been pretty limited lately) left that should've been banned months ago.

Personally I see no use to ban troublemaker A and troublemaker B but then leave a few of the same kind behind (I'm not naming anybody, despite everything).

We've also seen alot of good threads being locked due to the comments of a few people in them.

Especially the whole country bashing business is the worst. And in my opinion people that really decide to go that way and practise it should be awarded the "exit pass" at once.

I'd issue one warning, and after that this person would be gone.

I see no use on locking threads since that way an interesting topic can be put away due to the actions of the few. Just get rid of the offender if he still continues it after one warning.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to speed up the banning process if it is needed in the first place on some situations.

[fdt]

yeah...the mods have lives unlike some of us ::looks at self:: they dont have time to write up pointless charges on banning people all the time or explaining their actions...just dont piss around....if someone gets banned they deserved it...leave it at that...No big deal about this procedure... just my thoughts... I didn't say it's necessary, I just said, I (I speak for myself only) would feel better if knew all the charges (put in one place) and I'd feel better knowing that Hoods knows the feelings of the other Forum participants before banning someone's ass... That's all. Just my 2 not important cents.... so consider my proposal gone...

[Fintin]

No big deal about this procedure... just my thoughts... I didn't say it's necessary, I just said, I (I speak for myself only) would feel better if knew all the charges (put in one place) and I'd feel better knowing that Hoods knows the feelings of the other Forum participants before banning someone's ass... That's all. Just my 2 not important cents.... so consider my proposal gone...

dont we mostly already know why someone was banned?...not too many rules around here....if someone gets banned i dont have too think to hard why...besides why care...they got banned...if you want to figure out why search up their name and read all their posts...and regarding our feelings....they mean ****...its hoods site...hood does what he wants....i got my LJ site...i got admin control over it...i dont like you i ban you from posting...i dont ask people if i should ban them i just do...just dont worry about it

[Herrmannek]

What about Show, banning could be quite interesting :)

[Argyll]

If it ain't broke don't fix it!!

The people banned are warned ......................timelesly
The people banned.......are disrespectful..........constantly
The people banned.......never apologise .........for anything

Why do I feel that this particular thread is aimed at me? p-)

When I lock topics I explain the reasons,unless they are direct insults to the Mods here.

I'm not shy in reccomending that people get banned,why should I?
Do you tell your boss at work how to run his company?
The guys who've fallen foul here in the past have shown a complete lack of respect for
The site
The Administrator(Hood)
The Moderators
The forum members
The threads in which they ruin
The efforts of people trying to learn something.

My feelings on this,I'd like an option to deactivate an account on a temp basis,it prevents the flamer ruining the forum with his crap,it allows the forum to keep the topic from getting locked,or deleted,and it allows the Admin to see the problem,if it's a heat of the moment madness,then apologising to the forum would be a good start,and a strike against him.......3 strikes and your out.!
The guys who've been banned in the recent weeks went beyond 3 strikes,where mods were getting PM's with nothing but bile in them.
The Mods do not have to justify their actions when they're acting as Hoods Proxies,there are a lot of other sites where mods are 1000 times more stricter

Then you get the guys who get banned but try to sneak back in,which shows a complete lack of respect ,and they're unrepentant,,they'll attempt to pick up where they left off.

But like I said at the start

If it ain't broke..................

[fdt]

Hush Argyll... don't shout. I wrote about my feelings... All I want is to know... Do You think I have time to browse all threads...? Some I don't even touch... so I simply didn't even noticed that helex was banned... It's not I don't know why, or I think It was unjust... He got what he deserved, but I like clean situations. That is why I proposed such a procedure...
You may give warning after warning... nobody really knows when You shoot to kill. After 2, 5 or 27 warnings. That is why people have invented the courts. It's not like guys love to wear wigs... it's simply a celebration of justice... when nobody can say he didn't know that this time is real business. I must say I would like have a chance to voice my opinion about guys who are to be banned... nothing more. You have that chance plus some more powers... I want only my chance to realize that someone's ass is on fire before he gets busted.

You say it's not broken, my feelings are diffrerent... I think that this thing could be improved without any risk of breaking or spoiling anything. If You think I've just gone too far... pls report me to be banned.

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[Tane Angle]

Don't worry, that's how he talks. You should see him when he's riled up.


THere should be weekend ban, month ban, and just banWhat about Ray Bans? p-)

Seriously though, I don't know if it allows Hood to temporarily ban people or limit their number of posts. We should be considerate of Hood's possibly limited options.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[Herrmannek]

Seriously though, I don't know if it allows Hood to temporarily ban people or limit their number of posts. We should be considerate of Hood's possibly limited options.

This is possible, with some ?minor? effort :)
http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=161615&highlight=jail

[BlackRain]

On a side note, I don't believe that "banning" works.

Example: Helex

The guest Helex supposely was allegedly banned and has returned as Anastasius Focht.

The moderator Argyll revealed Helex had returned here: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15269&highlight=helex

It just represents that a guest many have many "User Names" on this forum and it is a challenge to filter them out.

[Argyll]

Hell no mate,I'm all for listening,no worries

Ok here's what normally happens ,and this is where it Irks me.

1.Person X offends/Flames Topic
2.Mod asks to X to cool down in open forum
3.X tells Mod to get stuffed.................or along these lines
4.Mod asks X to sima donah
5.X continues to flame/spam
6.Mod warns X in PM
7.X PM's mod back and tells him he's a ****
8.The forum members are getting pissed off as X continues to ruin threads
9.Mod warns of thread lock for reasons of Flaming
10.Forum members ask Mod to lock thread
11.X moves onto a new thread and starts 1.again
12.Mod locks old topic
13...............see the pattern

25.Mod's re;peated requests to cease flaming still ignored
30.Mod PM's Hood
36.2 days later 15 locked topics....all because of X Hood actions
40. 3 days X is gone.........sometimes less if Hoods around

all through this time X has spat in the face of everyone,got everyone pissed off to the high heavens,Mods get scores of PM's asking for X to be booted........and more and more topics are locked and ruined whilst awaiting action..........sometimes a ban recommendation is not actioned on,and thn X continues to wreck havoc on the forums,sometimes for several weeks.........

[Argyll]

On a side note, I don't believe that "banning" works.

Example: Helex

The guest Helex supposely was allegedly banned and has returned as Anastasius Focht.

The moderator Argyll revealed Helex had returned here: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15269&highlight=helex

It didn't work and this is the problem,people can return with alternate emails,but Anus starting posting the same type of Threads HELEX did,I was suspicious,so I started to look at all the IP's both used........and well the rest is history......the chances of them not being the same were so slim you could not put rice paper between them ;)

[Herrmannek]

good they don't know about proxies :)

[kinghk]

good they don't know about proxies :)

The proxy must probably be configured with X-forwarded-for:unknown (for Squid), to prevent the Mods from discovering your IP. I doubt that ISP's will configure their proxies like this.

[Herrmannek]

good they don't know about proxies :)

The proxy must probably be configured with X-forwarded-for:unknown (for Squid), to prevent the Mods from discovering your IP. I doubt that ISP's will configure their proxies like this.

There is at least few freeware web based proxies...

[Argyll]

good they don't know about proxies :)


Who says they don't? ;)
Hood has a lot of tricks up his sleeve

Besides,if you do get back and restart the flaming and spamming........guess what happens...........that's right you get banned again.........the forum does not need these clowns,so why persist?

It proves that the Moderators were right all along,in that they have no intent in maintaining a constructive participation in the threads

[Marmot1]

Well some ppl have variable IP's.... p-) Some ppl use multiple comps and places to post....

I can bet that I posted from at least 30 diferent IP's...

[Herrmannek]

good they don't know about proxies :)


Who says they don't? ;)
Hood has a lot of tricks up his sleeve

They had them too :)


Besides,if you do get back and restart the flaming and spamming........guess what happens...........that's right you get banned again.........the forum does not need these clowns,so why persist?

It proves that the Moderators were right all along,in that they have no intent in maintaining a constructive participation in the threads

That what worries me most, when they return they demand only revange and they can if hattred enough return again and again and again...

[Argyll]

Well some ppl have variable IP's.... p-) Some ppl use multiple comps and places to post....

I can bet that I posted from at least 30 diferent IP's...

But you only have one account!!

these IP's will still be sourced to a block,unless you are in different areas
Ie at home,or 50km's away at work!,and even these can still be located.

When I was posting from Iraq,some of the IP's were located in..........Poland ;)

[kinghk]

Well some ppl have variable IP's.... p-) Some ppl use multiple comps and places to post....

I can bet that I posted from at least 30 diferent IP's...

I guess that an assload of VPN accounts is the ultimate thing, if you wanna change your IP rapidly.

[Herrmannek]

Well some ppl have variable IP's.... p-) Some ppl use multiple comps and places to post....

I can bet that I posted from at least 30 diferent IP's...

And argyll don't ask Hood to ban Mamrot1 IP range, because I will be baned to and probably rest of polish users also :)

[Beowulf]

Well some ppl have variable IP's.... p-) Some ppl use multiple comps and places to post....

I can bet that I posted from at least 30 diferent IP's...

191 ;)

[Herrmannek]

Well some ppl have variable IP's.... p-) Some ppl use multiple comps and places to post....

I can bet that I posted from at least 30 diferent IP's...

191 ;)

Probably most belongs to polish telkom operator, some of them to academic net, most proxies is baned already so don't ban Mamrot :) or I will have hard times geting here ;)

[Argyll]

Marmot-1

MAZOWIECKIE WARSAW POLISH TELECOM
MAZOWIECKIE WARSAW NEOSTRADA PLUS
MAZOWIECKIE WARSAW WARSAW UNIVERSITY COMPUTER NETWORK

These are the only ones your IP's are linked to ;)

[Marmot1]

yep hermanek that happens when yopu have an internet provider who has almost complette monopoly in country :lol:

And account is not a problem.. I can always start new one p-)
Aditionally I have acces to at least 150 computers with diferent IP's
And in two weeks I will be some 8000km away from poland so new possibilities ;-)

But as for now I prefer peaceful coexistence.... woot

[Argyll]

yep hermanek that happens when yopu have an internet provider who has almost complette monopoly in country :lol:

And account is not a problem.. I can always start new one p-)
Aditionally I have acces to at least 150 computers with diferent IP's
And in two weeks I will be some 8000km away from poland so new possibilities ;-)

But as for now I prefer peaceful coexistence.... woot

You could have access to 1000 pc's if they're all networked mate..guess what........a single source IP location
I'm assuming you mean the ones in your Uni?cause they can still be traced back to a single location

An account a new one?........against forum rules dear chap ;)

[Marmot1]

Marmot-1

MAZOWIECKIE WARSAW POLISH TELECOM
MAZOWIECKIE WARSAW NEOSTRADA PLUS
MAZOWIECKIE WARSAW WARSAW UNIVERSITY COMPUTER NETWORK

These are the only ones your IP's are linked to ;)

And how many diferent IP's?

Since baning above ISP IP's would cut of like 5 to 6 mln ppl ;)

[Herrmannek]

Marmot-1

MAZOWIECKIE WARSAW POLISH TELECOM
MAZOWIECKIE WARSAW NEOSTRADA PLUS
MAZOWIECKIE WARSAW WARSAW UNIVERSITY COMPUTER NETWORK

These are the only ones your IP's are linked to ;)

And how many diferent IP's?

Since baning above ISP IP's would cut of like 5 to 6 mln ppl ;)

Catch22, tony6 ... :)

[Marmot1]

yep hermanek that happens when yopu have an internet provider who has almost complette monopoly in country :lol:

And account is not a problem.. I can always start new one p-)
Aditionally I have acces to at least 150 computers with diferent IP's
And in two weeks I will be some 8000km away from poland so new possibilities ;-)

But as for now I prefer peaceful coexistence.... woot

You could have access to 1000 pc's if they're all networked mate..guess what........a single source IP location
I'm assuming you mean the ones in your Uni?cause they can still be traced back to a single location

An account a new one?........against forum rules dear chap ;)

And what if I have already more than one account??? Well let's say registered some time ago just in case... p-) (This is of course only theory)

I wonder if you found any? ;)

[Argyll]

Marmot-1

MAZOWIECKIE WARSAW POLISH TELECOM
MAZOWIECKIE WARSAW NEOSTRADA PLUS
MAZOWIECKIE WARSAW WARSAW UNIVERSITY COMPUTER NETWORK

These are the only ones your IP's are linked to ;)

And how many diferent IP's?

Since baning above ISP IP's would cut of like 5 to 6 mln ppl ;)

It's not the IP that gets banned you coco,it's your account,how do you think I spotted HELEX.
Beo already told you 190,that's not a problem,even my PC generated different IP's before Broadband,now it's a fixed IP,but no worries Hood has his ways and means

[Argyll]

yep hermanek that happens when yopu have an internet provider who has almost complette monopoly in country :lol:

And account is not a problem.. I can always start new one p-)
Aditionally I have acces to at least 150 computers with diferent IP's
And in two weeks I will be some 8000km away from poland so new possibilities ;-)

But as for now I prefer peaceful coexistence.... woot

You could have access to 1000 pc's if they're all networked mate..guess what........a single source IP location
I'm assuming you mean the ones in your Uni?cause they can still be traced back to a single location

An account a new one?........against forum rules dear chap ;)

And what if I have already more than one account??? Well let's say registered some time ago just in case... p-) (This is of course only theory)

I wonder if you found any? ;)

If Hood had the time,then he could,and I'm sure with the ranges we can see as Mods,it also gives the names of people who also use that range,that's how serbian Boy AK lover got caught out

[Marmot1]

Marmot-1

MAZOWIECKIE WARSAW POLISH TELECOM
MAZOWIECKIE WARSAW NEOSTRADA PLUS
MAZOWIECKIE WARSAW WARSAW UNIVERSITY COMPUTER NETWORK

These are the only ones your IP's are linked to ;)

And how many diferent IP's?

Since baning above ISP IP's would cut of like 5 to 6 mln ppl ;)

Catch22, tony6 ... :)
fdt... :lol:

Ahh BTW I visit sometimes Wroclaw, Krakow and Czestochowa too so

add Herrmanek Perturbao mack_pl.... p-)

OK lets end with this.... this is pointless its like who has a bigger ***** contest..

[Marmot1]

yep hermanek that happens when yopu have an internet provider who has almost complette monopoly in country :lol:

And account is not a problem.. I can always start new one p-)
Aditionally I have acces to at least 150 computers with diferent IP's
And in two weeks I will be some 8000km away from poland so new possibilities ;-)

But as for now I prefer peaceful coexistence.... woot

You could have access to 1000 pc's if they're all networked mate..guess what........a single source IP location
I'm assuming you mean the ones in your Uni?cause they can still be traced back to a single location

An account a new one?........against forum rules dear chap ;)

And what if I have already more than one account??? Well let's say registered some time ago just in case... p-) (This is of course only theory)

I wonder if you found any? ;)

If Hood had the time,then he could,and I'm sure with the ranges we can see as Mods,it also gives the names of people who also use that range,that's how serbian Boy AK lover got caught out

Well I connected serbian with AK lover without knowing their IP... rofl that was easy as hell

[Argyll]

But you never spotted HELEX..........shame on you ;)

Ok I was checking Tony 6's :lol:

see what might happen now with people using these "jumpers" is that they get booted p-) and their accounts deactivated as being mischief makers ;)

[Herrmannek]

There are two kinds of bans on IP and on member acount or on both, when on IP or IP range(when user used many IP of the same owner) is banned noone can vist that page from it even you argyll. They just get notice that thsi ip is banned and nothing more. when user is abnned its mean he can't log on site but still can browse it... So if you ban to wide range if IPs other users who use the same pull of IPs like polish members from Warsaw will also get banned with one move of hand :)

[Herrmannek]

Ok I was checking Tony 6's :lol:


BTW tony6 isn't marmot for sure, and be carefull to not ban REMOV by accident :)

[Argyll]

:D Nobody has said it's an IP range that gets banned.......it's the account that gets booted......stop panicking my Polish friends

[Marmot1]

Ok I was checking Tony 6's :lol:


BTW tony6 isn't marmot for sure, and be carefull to not ban REMOV by accident :)

Hermanek you traitor!!! p-) Now you helped Agryll to eliminate easily one possibility...

[Herrmannek]

:D Nobody has said it's an IP range that gets banned.......it's the account that gets booted......stop panicking my Polish friends

Hood few times mentioned baning ranges.. I think he banned whole China for ~6months :)

[Argyll]

:D Nobody has said it's an IP range that gets banned.......it's the account that gets booted......stop panicking my Polish friends

Hood few times mentioned baning ranges.. I think he banned whole China for ~6months :)

Then you boys better be good to the Mods then :P

[Marmot1]

200.78.28.239

:-)

So now lets ban... MEXICO in order to get rid of me p-)