Serious 1st SFOD-D Question [Archive]

[airsoftgunner1013]

If the role of Delta and what they do is more closely related to U.S. Army Special Operations, why do they work more with Rangers? For example, Somalia, Panama, Grenada, Iran, TF 11, 121, etc.

Someone told me it is because of the Rangers' light infantry support abilities. Since in those previously mentioned missions, the Rangers were there more for security.

Can someone please clarif this and hopefully not get mad at me for asking a Delta question? :)

[AZRON]

Why do they work with Rangers , well who should they work with.

Both Rangers and Delta are considered SOF. Or are you being confused by SF and SOF types and meaning of the words and titles.

As in Somalia the Rangers were the main protection force for Delta's snatch and grab mission. The same in the Jessica Lynch show.

[airsoftgunner1013]

By U.S. Army Special Operations, I meant Green Berets.

Isn't their 'job description' more closely related to Delta's then Rangers'?

[DnA]

US Army Special Operations is an umbrella for Special Forces, Rangers, etc.

Green Berets/Special Forces have a different mission than that of the Rangers.

[AZRON]

By U.S. Army Special Operations, I meant Green Berets.

Isn't their 'job description' more closely related to Delta's then Rangers'?

The Green Berets specialty is training and working with indigenous forces of course they can perform other tasks as needed .

DELTA is basically a highly trained SWAT unit that is also good at stealth tasks.

Rangers are extremely highly trained light infantry .

Many in DELTA were previously Rangers and Green Berets. So each is quite versed in the others capabilities.

Also the CIA has skilled types that work quite well on the battlefield with the other mentioned groups but tend to be involved in dirtier tasks including payoffs , intelligence gathering , assassinations and bribery.
Many CIA SO types also came up through Ranger , SF and DELTA.

[James]

DELTA is basically a highly trained SWAT unit that is also good at stealth tasks.

I just had to quote this. rofl

[Andreas]

naah aaahh.. I saw on the unit that they can do other cool stuff, like like like... Ehm cool stuff...

[Chops]

I just had to quote this. rofl

Love how it's always in CAPITALS... :)

AZRON (note caps?) you're a retard.

[DeltaWhisky58]

DELTA is basically a highly trained SWAT unit that is also good at stealth tasks.

Currently you are the prime contender for the next SAKOTW award for this gem of wisdom! rofl

[airsoftgunner1013]

DELTA is basically a highly trained SWAT unit that is also good at stealth tasks.

thats even funny to a newb like me. rofl

[muck]

Currently you are the prime contender for the next SAKOTW award for this gem of wisdom! rofl

I am not in the know anymore about the plenty of awards for the heros here....

[airsoftgunner1013]

so this thread was unlocked for that?

for someone claiming Delta is like SWAT?

I think AZRON just ruined my winter break

[Desk Jockey]

I am going to regret this...........

I read somewhere on the internets that Rangers were actually present in Iran during Operation Eagle Claw. I had always thought it was just Delta on the ground there. I think someone mentioned Chuck Norris and his Bike in the movie and the "Ranger motorcycle team" was brought up. Is this true?

[airsoftgunner1013]

Rangers were there. Read Inside Delta Force. It talks about them chasing after (using dirt bikes. lol) a bus or pick up or something. (Can't really remember)

[packetloss]

Clearly it's true - I have photographic proof:

http://www.geocities.com/theactionkingsd/DeltaForce-DVDcoverart.jpg

[Maine Finn]

Rangers were there. Read Inside Delta Force. It talks about them chasing after (using dirt bikes. lol) a bus or pick up or something. (Can't really remember)

And we all know that books are always completely factual. :roll:

[airsoftgunner1013]

The first night, three MC-130's Combat Talon were to fly to an barren spot in Iran and offload the Delta force men, Combat Controllers, and translators/truck drivers. Three EC-130's following the Combat Talon's would then land and prepare to refuel the Marine RH-53's flying in from the carrier USS Nimitz. Once the helicopters were refuled, they would fly the task force to a spot near the outskirts of Teheran and meet up with agents already in-country who would lead the operators to a safe house to await the assault the next night. The helicopters would fly to another site in-country and hide until called by the Delta operators.

On the second night, the MC-130's and EC-130's would again fly into the country, this time with 100 US Army Rangers troops, and head for Manzariyeh Airfield. The Rangers were to assault the field and hold it so that the two C-141's could land to ferry the hostages back home. The three AC-130's would be used to provide cover for the rangers at Manzariyeh, support Delta's assault, and to supress any attempts at action by the Iranian Air Force from nearby Mehrabad Airbase. Delta would assault the embassy and free the hostages, then rendevous with the helicopters in a nearby football stadium. They and the hostages would be flown to Manzariyeh Airfield and the waiting C-141's and then flown out of the country. All the aircraft but the eight helicopters would be flown back, the helicopters would be destroyed before leaving.



From http://www.helis.com/featured/eagle_claw.php

[Desk Jockey]

LOL only on mp.et can you get a laugh, the answser, and a PM on where to read about the question you asked in a span of a few minutes.

woot

[airsoftgunner1013]

Oh, and I have proof Delta was in Colombia:
http://www.krinein.com/img_oc/big/3626.jpg

lol

[Maine Finn]

From http://www.helis.com/featured/eagle_claw.php

Very good. You can use Google.

[airsoftgunner1013]

yup. it was the second link so i clicked it just like i was taught :)

[Maine Finn]

yup. it was the second link so i clicked it just like i was taught :)

There's hope for you yet. :p

[AZRON]

Delta started off in the era of airliner hijackings as a specialized unit to deal with them on the spot.

Forced entries and hostage rescue missions was their primary mission.
Incidents like the Munich Oly. triggered the creation and various plane hijackings were to be their mission including the Iranian seizure of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran.
Of course they are quite cross trained and capable of many other assignments. But being the first responders to U.S. plane hijackings and hostage situations in foreign countries is a primary DELTA mission.
Around those times 6-8 terrorist hijackings were happening yearly.

SWAT ; Special weapons and tactics.

[Hutz]

Delta started off in the era of airliner hijackings as a specialized unit to deal with them on the spot.

Forced entries and hostage rescue missions was their primary mission.
Incidents like the Munich Oly. triggered the creation and various plane hijackings were to be their mission including the Iranian seizure of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran.
Of course they are quite cross trained and capable of many other assignments. But being the first responders to U.S. plane hijackings and hostage situations in foreign countries is a primary DELTA mission.
Around those times 6-8 terrorist hijackings were happening yearly.

SWAT ; Special weapons and tactics.

So glad you spelt out SWAT for everyone.

[Andreas]

I always wondered what that stood for....

[Maine Finn]

SWAT ; Special weapons and tactics.

Acronyms are awesome and it's great knowing what some of them actually mean. woot

[Hutz]

Acronyms are awesome and it's great knowing what some of them actually mean. w00t

FUBAR comes to mind with this thread.

[Maine Finn]

FUBAR comes to mind with this thread.

Yep. It's certainly IAW the typical BS that comes with schools being on break.

[James]

Delta started off in the era of airliner hijackings as a specialized unit to deal with them on the spot.

Forced entries and hostage rescue missions was their primary mission.
Incidents like the Munich Oly. triggered the creation and various plane hijackings were to be their mission including the Iranian seizure of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran.
Of course they are quite cross trained and capable of many other assignments. But being the first responders to U.S. plane hijackings and hostage situations in foreign countries is a primary DELTA mission.
Around those times 6-8 terrorist hijackings were happening yearly.

SWAT ; Special weapons and tactics.

This information is solid gold! Tell us more.

What other kinds of missions can DELTA do?

[gaz]

DELTA have lots of bases but their main one is in Atlanta and this is their badge -

http://www.deltaclippedwings.org/2007_New_Delta_widget.jpg

[Pete031]

When I get home people 'll ask me, "Hey Hoot, why do ya do it man? Why? Just some war junkie?" Ya know what I'll say? I won't say a goddamn word. Why? They won't understand. They won't understand why we do it. They won't understand that it's about the men next to you, and that's it. That's all it is.



I hope I can go on stealth missions someday with Delta.

[Dling]

Can anyone here provide the statistical stats of the effeciency of delta training as compared to their counterpart SWAT operatives?????

[Pete031]

Can anyone here provide the statistical stats of the effeciency of delta training as compared to their counterpart SWAT operatives?????

apples and oranges man.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Delta started off in the era of airliner hijackings as a specialized unit to deal with them on the spot.

Forced entries and hostage rescue missions was their primary mission.
Incidents like the Munich Oly. triggered the creation and various plane hijackings were to be their mission including the Iranian seizure of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran.
Of course they are quite cross trained and capable of many other assignments. But being the first responders to U.S. plane hijackings and hostage situations in foreign countries is a primary DELTA mission.
Around those times 6-8 terrorist hijackings were happening yearly.

SWAT ; Special weapons and tactics.

From this, am I correct in assuming that there is a direct relationship between the 22nd Special Air Service Regiment and The Salvation Army as both wear uniforms and use a similar rank structure. Do the SAS run soup kitchens like the Salvos do?

[Dling]

i enjoy apples not so much oranges unless they are squeezed intoa juice. the salvos are the SAS and vice versap-)

[Roy Batty]

i enjoy apples not so much oranges unless they are squeezed intoa juice.

...and mixed with Vodka.

[Dling]

2 shots vodka 3 shots orange juice

[D-gin]

FUBAR comes to mind with this thread.

I was thinking more of; SNAFU.

[Roy Batty]

2 shots vodka 3 shots orange juice

Delta is good at da shooting.....http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8669/iconyeswq4yy7.gif

[Maine Finn]

From this, am I correct in assuming that there is a direct relationship between the 22nd Special Air Service Regiment and The Salvation Army as both wear uniforms and use a similar rank structure. Do the SAS run soup kitchens like the Salvos do?

Tactical soup kitchens. Awesome. rofl

[Dling]

Delta is good at shooting.....

Only ze bestp-)

[clean]

DELTA is basically a highly trained SWAT unit that is also good at stealth tasks.



Delta was created in 1975 after some super secret Green Berets watched primetime TV. This is where they came from. This is the genisis of their mission.

[Hutz]

When I get home people 'll ask me, "Hey Hoot, why do ya do it man? Why? Just some war junkie?" Ya know what I'll say? I won't say a goddamn word. Why? They won't understand. They won't understand why we do it. They won't understand that it's about the men next to you, and that's it. That's all it is.



rofl rofl

This is my safety.

[Pete031]

I hear the sally army have a MUCH better CRW team then the SAS ever will

Better Kit too.

[Hutz]

Better Kit too.

You should see what their budget is...incredible.

[Albatross]

who is this delta guy everyone keeps talking about?

[Pete031]

who is this delta guy everyone keeps talking about?

-Insert Chuck Norris picture here-

[Hutz]

-Insert Chuck Norris picture here-

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n256/phreax9/filephp.gif

[airsoftgunner1013]

Actually AZRON, Delta was created right after the Vietnam War. It was named and somewhat based off of the Special Forces Project DELTA, (yes it should be capitalized.) The founder, (Col. Beckwith) wanted it to be very much the same as the SAS after he took part in an exchange program. The originally desired role was not a SWAT tactical type unit but one that was versatile enought to be a tactical / unconventional unit that could do many things.

Someone needed to get back on topic. lol

[Desk Jockey]

Actually AZRON, Delta was created right after the Vietnam War. It was named and somewhat based off of the Special Forces Project DELTA, (yes it should be capitalized.) The founder, (Col. Beckwith) wanted it to be very much the same as the SAS after he took part in an exchange program. The originally desired role was not a SWAT tactical type unit but one that was versatile enought to be a tactical / unconventional unit that could do many things.

Someone needed to get back on topic. lol

First rule of being in a hole is to stop digging dude..........

[Albatross]

ohhhhhhh that delta guy.

[Roy Batty]

Actually AZRON, Delta was created right after the Vietnam War. It was named and somewhat based off of the Special Forces Project DELTA, (yes it should be capitalized.) The founder, (Col. Beckwith) wanted it to be very much the same as the SAS after he took part in an exchange program. The originally desired role was not a SWAT tactical type unit but one that was versatile enought to be a tactical / unconventional unit that could do many things.

Someone needed to get back on topic. lol

I'm sorry but your name is making it real hard to take this seriously....http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8669/iconyeswq4yy7.gif

[ronnieraygun]

From this, am I correct in assuming that there is a direct relationship between the 22nd Special Air Service Regiment and The Salvation Army as both wear uniforms and use a similar rank structure. Do the SAS run soup kitchens like the Salvos do?

Now we're hitting close to home. I've volunteered every Saturday for the Sally for 2 1/2 years, and there was not even a court order involved. Care to see a picture of my loadout?

[airsoftgunner1013]

Canadian Sig, I know and I really hate myself for choosing it now

Desk Jockey, are you saying I know too much?

[Maine Finn]

Actually AZRON, Delta was created right after the Vietnam War. It was named and somewhat based off of the Special Forces Project DELTA, (yes it should be capitalized.) The founder, (Col. Beckwith) wanted it to be very much the same as the SAS after he took part in an exchange program. The originally desired role was not a SWAT tactical type unit but one that was versatile enought to be a tactical / unconventional unit that could do many things.

Someone needed to get back on topic. lol

We've got an expert here, at last.

[Pete031]

Now we're hitting close to home. I've volunteered every Saturday for the Sally for 2 1/2 years, and there was not even a court order involved. Care to see a picture of my loadout?

For sure man!! Let all the Airsofters emulate that. Get some good work out of them.

[Albatross]

Hey airsoft,

Got you a gift, I figure that you had probably been worn out by now.

:bash:

[Roy Batty]

Canadian Sig, I know and I really hate myself for choosing it now

Desk Jockey, are you saying I know too much?

The first step is admitting you have a problem....lol

[Pete031]

Canadian Sig, I know and I really hate myself for choosing it now

Desk Jockey, are you saying I know too much?

Definitely.
Be careful man, or you will wind up on that place, with the Man from UNCLE

[Hutz]

Canadian Sig, I know and I really hate myself for choosing it now


That's like calling your only son Alice.

[Dling]

Definitely.
Be careful man, or you will wind up on that place, with the Man from UNCLE

or the people in black....

[GoSka37]

Sometimes the Umbrella Corporation uses Delta as Security.:roll:

[Desk Jockey]

Canadian Sig, I know and I really hate myself for choosing it now

Desk Jockey, are you saying I know too much?

saying that you are most likely nominated for a couple off awards (the bad kind) already here and someone is dreaming up a new one and a nice custom user title as we type.

Can you tell us the layout of Range 19 too? And does it have a boat house?

[Maine Finn]

That's like calling your only son Alice.

I heard a story once, about A Boy Named Sue.

[airsoftgunner1013]

Well if I knew of the critisism I would get when I made it, I wouldn't have chose it.

I'm pretty sure I would be well aware of the critisism my son would get being named Alice.

Anyway, is there a way to get it changed?

[airsoftgunner1013]

thanks.

And i think i'll shutup now about (well, you know.) lol

[Sheikh Al Stranghi]

Your screen name can be anything, it's the state of mind that makes the man... Look at someone like Hollis, or Argyll, for example, they could be "zomgdeltaairsofter101" and people would still bow before them.

Don't say many stupid things and you'll be fine... The mods here are actually nice people, and they know stuff and are quite relaxed, they just get goosebumps from retarded chatter. Even though I can't get along AT ALL with a few, they're still a nessecity.

[EvanL]

I hear PMing EvanL get results
I will be going over his options as soon as he sends me the list of desired names.
It must be no longer than 12characters and must contain at least two numbers.

I'll be waiting for confirmation. Stand by.

[California Joe]

airsoftgunner1013...Hmmmm was ThalydomideBaby or FetalAlcoholSyndrome taken? Those would have been better. Actually my favorite username ever in here next to my own and Mocking Loudly is Basket of Soft Kittens. I Love Rachel Lee Cook is good too.

PS Evan is like that kid at summer camp that pretends to be your friend and the next thing you know your underpants are torn, all of your snacks are gone, and you've failed the swim test from taking on water in your gaping arsehole.

[airsoftgunner1013]

I will be going over his options as soon as he sends me the list of desired names.
It must be no longer than 12characters and must contain at least two numbers.

I'll be waiting for confirmation. Stand by.

Oh, i sent the list before reading the guidlines.

It can be any numbers though

And thanks again.

[EvanL]

Thank you very much.

Order Of How Much I Want It:

-Lazy Ramadi
-Army Of One
-One Man Army
-Army Strong
-Michael
-Lazy Sunday

If none of those work, you can add in some numbers but just let me know. And thanks again.

Those are already taken. But I can add the numbers 6 and 9 to the end of One Man Army.
OneManArmy69 it is!

[EvanL]

airsoftgunner1013...Hmmmm was ThalydomideBaby or FetalAlcoholSyndrome taken? Those would have been better. Actually my favorite username ever in here next to my own and Mocking Loudly is Basket of Soft Kittens. I Love Rachel Lee Cook is good too.

PS Evan is like that kid at summer camp that pretends to be your friend and the next thing you know your underpants are torn, all of your snacks are gone, and you've failed the swim test from taking on water in your gaping arsehole.
Is it lonely up there on your pedestal?

[airsoftgunner1013]

can you do 96 instead? lol

[California Joe]

Is it lonely up there on your pedestal?

My hate keeps me warm.

[ronnieraygun]

your gaping arsehole.

I tend to shy away from threads full of guys discussing "gaping arseholes" unless we're talking about my proclivity for unsolicited flatulence. What will the boy's new name be?

[EvanL]

My hate keeps me warm.
You're giving me.. giving me.. Nothing but shallow dreams.. Shallow dreams.

[EvanL]

can you do 96 instead? lol
Sorry. That name is already taken. Has to be 69.

[California Joe]

You're giving me.. giving me.. Nothing but shallow dreams.. Shallow dreams.


I sounded like Hellfishsticks there didn't I.

Being old and all I thought it was "Shattered" dreams. Hmmmm

[Dispatcher]

My hate keeps me warm.


You quoted Hellfish.

10 points for the house of CJ!

[EvanL]

I sounded like Hellfishsticks there didn't I.

Being old and all I thought it was "Shattered" dreams. Hmmmm
yeh you're right.
It is shattered dreams. But hey I'm allowed to make those mistakes, I was merely just a boy when that song came out.

[ronnieraygun]

Those dudes were immaculately coiffed

http://wc02.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:aifqxqe5ldse~T1

[D-gin]

We've got an expert here, at last.


By the sound it, he must've just finished reading Beckwith's book. rofl

[airsoftgunner1013]

u gessed it. lol

[Seraphim]

airsofters are only good for one reason. To have a good laugh at.

[Albatross]

oh teh horer

[muttbutt]

Hey at least he is taking the pasting with some humour, we've had some complete meltdowns on here over things like this.

[Beowulf]

I hate all of you. Honest.


Class starts next week.

[nagant_m44]

I hate all of you. Honest.


Class starts next week.

lol it starts for you too

[EvanL]

I hate all of you. Honest.


Class starts next week.
How do you expect to learn..... when you can't even fit in the building!!!!!!!!?

[nagant_m44]

The Green Berets specialty is training and working with indigenous forces of course they can perform other tasks as needed .

DELTA is basically a highly trained SWAT unit that is also good at stealth tasks.

Rangers are extremely highly trained light infantry .

Many in DELTA were previously Rangers and Green Berets. So each is quite versed in the others capabilities.

Also the CIA has skilled types that work quite well on the battlefield with the other mentioned groups but tend to be involved in dirtier tasks including payoffs , intelligence gathering , assassinations and bribery.
Many CIA SO types also came up through Ranger , SF and DELTA.

been playing lots of RAINBOW SIX?

[airsoftgunner1013]

How do you expect to learn..... when you can't even fit in the building!!!!!!!!?

ITS A SCHOOL FOR ANTS!!! lmao

[Chops]

ITS A SCHOOL FOR ANTS!!! lmao

WTF?

Put the crack pipe down son.

This thread was so delivering... :-(

Oh and look. Somebody has given the softair D boy a custom title... Naughty

[EvanL]

I'm glad I could be of assistance to all.
Back to the shrimp fried rice.

[SOG]

WTF?

Put the crack pipe down son.

This thread was so delivering... :-(

Oh and look. Somebody has given the softair D boy a custom title... Naughty

it's a quote from the movie zoolander.

why did i know that...

:cries:

[Albatross]

Assaron,

You do know a green beret is a hat. right? Its not a person.

[Roanoke]

Oh man. This thread delivers on so many levels.

[Chops]

I wasn't like every other kid, you know, who dreams about being an astronaut, I was always more interested in what bark was made out of on a tree. Richard Gere's a real hero of mine. Sting. Sting would be another person who's a hero. The music he's created over the years, I don't really listen to it, but the fact that he's making it, I respect that...

[Buckeye67]

WTF?
Oh and look. Somebody has given the softair D boy a custom title... Naughty

I was hoping he'd get "OneManNumpty69er"

[airsoftgunner1013]

Haha laugh it up everyone pick on the newb.

But at the Derek Zoolander Center For Children Who Can't Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too, we teach you that there's more to life than being really, really good looking.

[Hutz]

Haha laugh it up everyone pick on the newb.

But at the Derek Zoolander Center For Children Who Can't Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too, we teach you that there's more to life than being really, really good looking.

Anyone who can quote Zoolander is alright with me.

[airsoftgunner1013]

i recorded it from comedy central tuesday i think

its pretty funny

[EvanL]

I got something for you to record.
Right here!

[Pete031]

I got something for you to record.
Right here!

Booo Yaaaa