Rapes in Sweden - What's going on?

[kosse]

I studied some crime statistics in both Sweden and Finland. Year 2006 results show 4208 rapes in Sweden of which in 1134 the victim was less than 15 years old.

For comparison there were 628 reported rapes in Finland in year 2006. Some calculations:

Rapes per 100 000 people
Sweden ~46
Finland ~12

What makes it most ****ed up is that there are almost 12/100 000 rapes where victim is less than 15 in Sweden.

All in all, rapes have skyrocketed in Sweden and by checking the statistics we can see that only between 2000-2006 they have more than doubled.

So, what the hell is going on in there? What makes Swedish men go on a raping spree so suddenly? Or are the immigrants behind it? What do you think?

Sources:

StatFin http://statfin.stat.fi/statweb/start.asp?LA=fi&DM=SLFI&lp=catalog&clg=poliisin_tietoon_tullut_rikollisuus

Brå http://www.bra.se/extra/pod/?action=pod_show&id=14&module_instance=11

[signatory]

New rape definitons, new stricter *** laws (especially for under age 15), new immigrants, new drinking patterns.

All contribute to a recent boost in the statistics.

Look it up.

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I did some work on the definitons:


The age of consent in Finland is 16, as specified by Section 6(1) (****** abuse of a child) which reads: "A person who has ****** intercourse with a child younger than sixteen years of age ... shall be sentenced for ****** abuse of a child to imprisonment for at most four years."

The age of consent in Sweden is 15, as specified by the Swedish Penal Code, Chapter 6 (On ****** Crimes). The age of fifteen is referred to several times, for example in Section 4, which reads: "A person who has ****** intercourse with a child under fifteen years of age or who with such a child carries out another ****** act that, having regard to the nature of the violation and the circumstances in general, is comparable to ****** intercourse, shall be sentenced for rape of a child to imprisonment for at least two and at most six years."

wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#Finland)

[Rudolph]

Read an article earlier this year saying immigrants in Norway made out only 14,3% of the population, but were responsible for 65% of all rapes in the country.

Still can't beat my country's 50,000/year.

[muck]

Read an article earlier this year saying immigrants in Norway made out only 14,3% of the population, but were responsible for 65% of all rapes in the country.

Anyway, you can't beat my country with 500,000/year.
It so sad, South Africa is a beautiful country.

[IDF_TANKER]

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I'm not familiar with the laws in Sweden, but at least in Israel there are situations when the ****** intercourse is automatically considered as rape (even so no actual rape took place). I can imagine the same goes for Sweden. In particular, *** with a girl under certain age(like 14) is considered rape.

[Andreas]

Read an article earlier this year saying immigrants in Norway made out only 14,3% of the population, but were responsible for 65% of all rapes in the country.



My personal feelings about this subject are not suitable on this board, come to think of it not anywhere except amongst friends...

[kosse]

New rape definitons, new stricter *** laws (especially for under age 15), new immigrants, new drinking patterns.


All contribute to a recent boost in the statistics.

I did some work on the definitons:



Allright, that explains the part about the children. But there's still a lot of excess raping at least compared to your neighbour. Let's narrow this down more..Are there new stricter laws in place for adults too?

I have my doubts about drinking making Swedish men rape. We have even more terrible drinking habits here on the other side of the gulf.


My personal feelings about this subject are not suitable on this board, come to think of it not anywhere except amongst friends...

Aye, many people have opinions like this but nobody has courage to voice them or any solutions for the problem as it means getting sued to hell and getting kicked outside the society. Even saying aloud the most obvious solution "kick the criminal immigrants out" means getting branded as a racist for the rest of your life :roll:

[Calanen]

Aye, many people have opinions like this but nobody has courage to voice them or any solutions for them as it means getting sued to hell and getting kicked outside the society. Even saying aloud the most obvious solution "kick the criminals out" means getting branded as a racist for the rest of your life :roll:


Whatever the reasons for the problem, if you ignore the cause, its only going to get worse.

[limbic]

All in all, rapes have skyrocketed in Sweden and by checking the statistics we can see that only between 2000-2006 they have more than doubled.

So, what the hell is going on in there? What makes Swedish men go on a raping spree so suddenly? Or are the immigrants behind it? What do you think?

Throughout Scandinavia it is now well established that immigrants commit the vast majority of reported rapes.

This post is pretty damning...

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/12/immigrant-rape-wave-in-sweden.html

Even the most liberal Danes, Swedes and Norwegians all concede that their respective countries are in the grip of a massive immigrant-based crime wave. Same story in Switzerland.

I feel sorry for the law abiding decent immigrants - the massive majority - because gang raping local girls is one of the quickest ways to inflame racism and community conflict.

The sad thing is that these countries took in many of the second wave immigrants as refugees (the first wave were guest workers). It is the children of this second wave who are the rapists, muggers, street thugs and thieves. Fine thanks for providing refuge and sanctuary!

[limbic]

My personal feelings about this subject are not suitable on this board, come to think of it not anywhere except amongst friends...

Can I ask why? This is probably the most pressing issue in Europe today. How do we manage a multi-ethnic Europe? How do we preserve civil liberties in an age of ethnic conflict. What do we do about immigrant populations that turn against their hosts? etc etc.

This stuff should be discussed at the highest level not secretively amongst friends.

[Jarhead]

Can I ask why? This is probably the most pressing issue in Europe today. How do we manage a multi-ethnic Europe? How do we preserve civil liberties in an age of ethnic conflict. What do we do about immigrant populations that turn against their hosts? etc etc.

This stuff should be discussed at the highest level not secretively amongst friends.
Mulit ethnic Europe fails...you just have to look to France, Germany and so on..

[LillaMy]

The majority of these crimes are committed by immigrants and Sweden takes on more immigrants/refugees than any other country in EU. There you have it...

[Andreas]

Can I ask why? This is probably the most pressing issue in Europe today. How do we manage a multi-ethnic Europe? How do we preserve civil liberties in an age of ethnic conflict. What do we do about immigrant populations that turn against their hosts? etc etc.

This stuff should be discussed at the highest level not secretively amongst friends.

Because the topic grinds my gears bigtime, and my solutions would be classified as barbaric even in third world countrys..

Im not a politician, statesman or diplomat and that might be just as well.
I dont have any good ideas...

Andreas

**Strolls of to a more pleasent part of MP.net, this topic puts me in a foul mood***

[ozumn]

Alot of immigrants in Sweden are Finns, case closed.

[Calanen]

Alot of immigrants in Sweden are Finns, case closed.


I'd be massively surprised if there were gangs of rampaging Finns in Sweden.

[Rudolph]

Until the 90's the philosophy of liberalism and egalitarianism were just words, forced unto other countries, now Europe is finally realising how untested those theories are. Let's see how they sort out these problems.

[LillaMy]

Alot of immigrants in Sweden are Finns, case closed.

I am not sure what you meen here...The Finns is not the problem in Sweden. Immigrants from the Middle East and especially Africa is over represented in rape-related crimes in Sweden.

[Jarhead]

Until the 90's the philosophy of liberalism and egalitarianism were just words, forced unto other countries, now Europe is finally realising how untested those theories are. Let's see how they sort out these problems.
Sending back most of them would work

[Rudolph]

Sending back most of them would work

Maybe I'm just bitter, but Western Europe claimed to know better for the last 50 years, and now they finally have to prove how they will handle the after-effects of colonialism without reserting to violent and barbaric means without infringing anyone's human rights.

Hopefully decency will not be the downfall of Western civilisation.

[Swedish_Marine]

How would you define an immigrant? Aren´t danes, finns, germans, french, americans who come here also immigrants?

No of course not. You only see the arabs, persians, bosnians, serbs, somalians etc. as immigrants.

[LillaMy]

Interesting article (in swedish): http://wwwc.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0003/13/dokument.html

[Moose]

In Sweden different organisations the media, government and hospitals have all been working together with the police to persuade more victims to report such crimes. This has been going on for years and subsequently the statistics have been rising. More people are willing to report rape because the blame has culturally been lifted over to the criminal. This is not the case in for instance Finland where culture and praxis keeps the reports low.

Blaming Immigrants for the rise in reports isn’t logical. Rape has always existed but kept silent during the 50s 60s 70s 80s and 90s you all know that is the case. Now I am not saying the Immigrants are innocent but I don’t think stereotyping the culprit is a good idea. The notorious hagamannen was white middle aged Swedish with a family kids and Volvo working 9-5. It might feel convenient to blame the immigrants but you know you are only fooling your self. 7 out of 10 rapes are committed by someone the girl has known before only 3 out of 10 are strangers, most rapes occur in the victims home. That atleast is the case in Sweden.


Calanen you can find those gangs sitting in the park drinking evey day (joke) not every day

[kosse]

How would you define an immigrant? Aren´t danes, finns, germans, french, americans who come here also immigrants?

No of course not. You only see the arabs, persians, bosnians, serbs, somalians etc. as immigrants.

Might be because the former group melts in the population in a few years and starts working & talking local language while the latter lives on government paycheck for generations and does not learn languge & give shyte about education. This is a generalisation but that's how it usually goes (and I'd not include serbs in the latter group).

It does not help either that they move in packs and rape people like in Finland last winter. Apparently we've still not caught the culprits in Oulu which means that the local immigrant community is protecting them.

[Jarhead]

How would you define an immigrant? Aren´t danes, finns, germans, french, americans who come here also immigrants?

No of course not. You only see the arabs, persians, bosnians, serbs, somalians etc. as immigrants.
Its a huge difference if you have someone from another europe country in your country than somebody from middle east you just cant compare that.I´m not saying the guys from those countries you mentioned are worser then europeans but there are differences

[Swedish_Marine]

No, to me an immigrant is an immigrant no matter where they come from.

[Basillicus]

Until the 90's the philosophy of liberalism and egalitarianism were just words, forced unto other countries, now Europe is finally realising how untested those theories are.

They work just fine, only problem is when people with different cultural backround come in and don't adapt to these values. IMO it should be "adapt or GTFO". Living in a Nordic wellfare society can be extremely beneficial for an individual, but there's no such thing as free meal and it means one can't live exactly like in ones former home jungle or desert.

[KoTeMoRe]

No, to me an immigrant is an immigrant no matter where they come from.

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Brain fart sorry. My bad.