Saving George W. Bush

[hist2004]

Saving George W. Bush
By: Bill O'Reilly
Thursday, May 20, 2004

If President Bush loses the election next November, it will be his own fault. For some reason, the President refuses to explain the issues that are defining his administration so the folks can understand what the deuce is going on.
Mr. Bush's policy in Iraq has gone south, but it is not a lost cause. All wars have reversals, and it is the Commander-in-Chief's duty to rally the troops. Do you feel rallied? I don't.

Likewise on gas prices. Why have they risen so quickly, and what is the President doing about it? I don't know, and it's my job to follow this stuff. The President did tell us he would not release petroleum reserves to drive down prices, but he has not explained why the cost has gone up in the first place.

The President scored big after the 9/11 attack because he accurately reflected the mood of the country. He was angry, we were angry. He told us exactly what he was going to do in Afghanistan and why. His popularity soared.

Now he sends his wife to defend him on the Jay Leno program. I like Laura. She's a good spokesperson for the President. But the folks want to hear from him.

The latest Newsweek poll has Mr. Bush's approval rating at 42%, the lowest of his tenure in office. Even his top campaign advisors admit if the President's approval numbers drop below 40% and stay there, he's toast. One would think Mr. Bush would change his "Cool Hand Luke" strategy of "failure to communicate."

The thing that might save President Bush is that, despite all the negatives right now, John Kerry has failed to move up significantly in the polls. That same Newsweek poll has the race tied, even with Bush's low job approval number.

The reason Kerry is languishing is that he has not put forth a clear war-on-terror strategy, and that many independent Americans fear the "far-left" factor which we talked about a few months ago in this space.

Historically, Americans have rejected extremists in all parties. Barry Goldwater got clobbered and so did George McGovern. General Wesley Clark's presidential run was demolished by his embrace of Michael Moore. So John Kerry has to distance himself from the ultra-liberal wing of his party and so far that has not happened. Hugging Ted Kennedy in Iowa didn't help.

But Kerry has an even more serious problem on the horizon. Extremist billionaire George Soros is pouring millions into the Democratic cause by funding propaganda websites like MoveOn.org, which runs anti-Bush attack ads all over the country. Soros is a scary guy. An avowed atheist, he wants an "open society" where legalized drugs and few limits on private behavior would be policy. He also loves "income redistribution" through taxation. On thing he doesn't love is how America is fighting terror.

Speaking at Columbia University last week, Soros said that the U.S. war on terror had claimed more innocent lives than the September 11 attacks. He also put forth that, although America claims to be a liberating country, we're really the oppressors.

That kind of view might get a standing ovation at the Cannes Film Festival, but it's not going to get anyone elected President of the United States. Thus the Soros money could easily become a huge problem for the Candidate Kerry. Sooner or later, he will have to stand up and say how he feels about this sugar daddy Democrat.

So, ironically, the people who despise President Bush the most, leftist extremists, are actually doing him a favor. The majority of Americans may not like the way Bush is handling the job right now, but do they want a guy like Soros having access to power? Do they share the far left "vision" of America?

My guess is they do not, and that's why the President is still hanging on. So if Mr. Bush goes down to defeat in November, it will be entirely on him. You can't blame those who hate him. They've helped him out a lot.

Regards,
Hist2004

[Sir Zach of R.]

Good read. Thanx hist2004. :P

[M1A2U2]

If the president loses i will be blaming the media for focusing on negative issues

[Threelions]

Thanks Hist2004, this was a good read. Bush seriously needs to start focusing on domestic issues or he is going to screw himself out of re-election. Domestic concerns are the one thing that Kerry is doing far better than bush. Personally i dont like bush, so if he loses great! It seems to me that every time the bush administration is askled a question about anything they spin it so that the answer focuses on the war in Iraq, or the war on terror.

Cheers

[Old300]

In that article, O'Reilly mentioned one legitimate issue - the President's Iraq policy - and filled the rest of it with garbage.

The President can't control gas prices (consumers in the US and China, among other places, do, by increasing demand), and it's not his job to explain to us why gas is more expensive than it was a few months ago. The President isn't good at talking, so having him talk more isn't going to rally anyone or help himself. George Soros is an extremist, but that has nothing to do with Kerry.

It seems to me that no one is excited about either presidential candidate. That's why poll numbers haven't moved much in the last 2 months, even as voters have been bombarded with bad news from Iraq.

The only thing that will excite people is a terrorist attack on our soil between now and November, and it's a good bet that that will happen. Osama may get my President re-elected yet.

[hist2004]

George Soros is an extremist, but that has nothing to do with Kerry.


I believe it will when it becomes more well known that he's pumping
millions into the Democratic Party. Both candidates have problems of
image, strategy, etc. November will be interesting to say the least.

Regards,
Hist2004

[scm77]

It seems to me that every time the bush administration is askled a question about anything they spin it so that the answer focuses on the war in Iraq, or the war on terror.
Cheers

And anytime Kerry is asked a question he spins it too.

Reporter: Are you going to raise taxes?
Kerry: It doesn't matter if I raise taxes or not because our president has no plan for Iraq.

-or-

Reporter: Last year you said you supported this, now you say your against it. How do you really feel?
Kerry: It doesn't matter if I change my mind several times, because I am a war hero and the president didn't show up for the National Guard.

Kerry is an ass-whipe.

[Sir Zach of R.]

Reporter: How do you feel the Iraq war is going?

Kerry: Did you know I was in Vietnam?

Reporter: Are you going to raise taxes?

Kerry: That's not important. What's important is that I was in Vietnam.

Reporter: What foreign leaders have you met with that support you?

Kerry: That's none of your business.

[Old300]

hist2004:

I'd agree with you if I had any confidence at all in the media doing any - let alone all - of the following:

1) deciding that George Soros is an extremist
2) linking George Soros with John Kerry
3) talking about the link between Kerry and Soros
4) talking as much about that link as, say, that between Cheney and Haliburton

In other words (picking up the theme that you introduced in your last post), this election will be about image and spin (barring a terrorist attack) and an image that would hurt Kerry won't hurt him unless the media makes an effort to do so. And they won't...

[Gringo]

It doesn't matter if whether Bush or Kerry win, we're f***ed either way. :lol:

[scm77]

rofl You are probably right.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

We hear a lot about Kerry and what he would be like as a president what interests me is who would make up his team?

[obd]

Save Bush? Are you kidding?

Bush is the worst disaster ever to hit the United States of America....... ten times worse than Sept 11 attacks...He has bankrupted the nation (something he is VERY good at if you look to his corporate history), sent us into a quaqmire of a war with lies, corrupted the Constitution, his fiscal policy is the worst EVER, and he has increased the size of the government and the costs of running the federal government, he has decreased states rights, he as introduce measures against Americans right to privacy, he has attempted through his "faith based initiatives" to bring the Church back into public school to support his own form of evangelical Christianity, he has pulled out of so many international treaties its difficult to keep track of them all, and he is the worst diplomatic disaster in modern times ever to hit the United States with a recent BBC poll of 500,000 Europeans 75% of whom stated that they felt BUSH was the greatest threat to international peace and prosperity....which is exactly the opposite of the feelings they had before 9/11 and Bush's subsequent idiotic screw ups.......

O'Reilly talks about Kerry not being too radical or he will lose....Jeezuz Christ, Bush is the most radically far rightist neo-conservative nut EVER, and to top it off he is a moron too!!!! SIMPLY AMAZING.....

Mark my words, Americans all over the place who are secular, and thats most of the nation outside the bible belt south, are absolutely fed up with Bush and his idiocy and noiw realize America cant survive another Bush term.......Bush has destroyed Americas credibility to the international community and he is a shame on the nation... History will remmember him as one of the WORST American leaders EVER and one of the most CORRUPT and SECRETIVE administration in American histroy.........

I can only hope he is not elected because if he is given another 4 years in office history might just remmember that "Even the greatest most powerful nation on earth can be brought low by a terrible leader in no time at all".......

For my children and my childrens children, I hope Bush is voted out of office...He is an illigitimate leader, a coward, a fool, and a pure disaster for America............and I fear it will take 200 years to pay his bill back if he gets 4 more years to spend reclesely....Even the honrable John MCain called Bush "The most fiscally irresponsible Republican I have ever seen"....

I fear in his four years he has damaged America's reputation and economy beyond repair and destroyed everything we used to stand for in the world.....Now, under that asshole, we stand for empire and war....He said it himself best: "I am a war president"......... Well America should send a clear message to the world:

We didnt elect the F U C K E R but we sure as hell can unelect him....

[Haiw]

He won't need saving; he'll just cut the oil prizes in half just before the elections and tataaaaaaa he'll be re-elected. :roll:

[mobster]

www.MightyRighty.com www.BrokenNewz.com Check 'em out. Funny stuff on Kerry.

[obd]

http://www.bushisms.com/
KnowTheCandidates.org
master Bush links page
Bush-CheneyTransition.com
bushstillsucks.com
GoBackToTexas.com
BushOnCrack.com
GWBush Art
Unauthorized Bush(Sr.) Bio
Bush is the Antichrist (with a well-reasoned argument)
The Bush Body Count
GeorgeBush2000.com
LittleGeorgeBush.com
BushCampaignHQ.com
Bushlite.net
GeorgyBush.com
trimnBush2shrub.org
BushSuckz.com
The Serial President and
Bush Kills Web Sites
GWBush: Hypocrisy on Parade Hypocrisy.org
gobacktotexas.com
Guerrilla Girls Bush Poster
bushswallows.com
parody bush art
bushboyzstolethevote.com
adamclymerfanclub.org
Smirk-o-rama
bushthumbs.com
bushneverwonflorida.com
New Links
dumbya.com
illegitprez.cjb.com
The Madness of King George
The Bushcountdown
gorewonflorida.org
Galbraith on Florida
madaboutchad.com
bushkills.com
awolbush.com
illegitbush.com
presidentmoron.com
bushbacklash.com
JohnAshcroftSucks.com
madaboutchad.com
citizens-at-large.com
democraticunderground.com
Enemies of Religious Freedom
the****ographyofpower.com
projectcnn.com


the official Bush's sites (for Bush voters?) BACK
http://www.BushSucks.com
BushSux.com
GeorgeBushSux.org
BushBlows.net
GeorgeWBushBlows.NET
GeorgeWBushBites.net
BushBlows.com
GeorgeWBushBlows.com


Check them out. Funny quotes and info that proove Bush is the dumbest American east of the Mississippi River......


KARL ROVE, Bush's long-time political guru and White House advisor:
"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans...
...unless they have too much education and vote Democratic,
which proves there can be too much of a good thing."

[Old300]

obd:

1) Name one treaty that "Bush has pulled us out of".
2) How, exactly, is he trying to "bring the Church into public schools"?
3) How, or rather when, did he bankrupt this country?

Nevermind. I'll save you the trouble:

1) You can't; he hasn't pulled us out of a single one. Kyoto was never ratified. Can't think of what else you might be dreaming about.
2) He isn't, and he can't. I suppose you mean school vouchers. Those began under the Clinton administration. And anyway, any student who's ever received a student loan to attend Notre Dame, Boston College, or Georgetown, among many, many other schools, has received federal funds to attend a private religious school.
3) He didn't. The recession began at the very beginning of his term, which means that the economy started getting worse before he was inaugurated. No one will argue against the notion that the federal government has grown under this President - of course it has - but he had 535 people to help him with that; and there was a recession that he didn't start (see above) and a certain incident one day in September a couple of years back.

Calm down.

[hist2004]

An article about Kerry from a columnist from his hometown:

ONE of the surest ways to get the phones ringing on any Massachusetts
talk-radio show is to ask people to call in and tell their John Kerry
stories. The phone lines are soon filled, and most of the stories have a
common theme: our junior senator pulling rank on one of his
constituents, breaking in line, demanding to pay less (or nothing) or
ducking out before the bill arrives.

The tales often have one other common thread. Most end with Sen. Kerry
inquiring of the lesser mortal: "Do you know who I am?"

And now he's running for president as a populist. His first wife came
from a Philadelphia Main Line family worth $300 million. His second wife
is a pickle-and-ketchup heiress.

Kerry lives in a mansion on Beacon Hill on which he has borrowed $6
million to finance his campaign. A fire hydrant that prevented him and
his wife from parking their SUV in front of their tony digs was removed
by the city of Boston at his behest.

The Kerrys ski at a spa the widow Heinz owns in Aspen, and they summer
on Nantucket in a sprawling seaside "cottage" on Hurlbert Avenue, which
is so well-appointed that at a recent fund-raiser, they imported
porta-toilets onto the front lawn so the donors wouldn't use the inside
bathrooms. (They later claimed the decision was made on septic, not
social, considerations).

It's a wonderful life these days for John Kerry. He sails Nantucket
Sound in "the Scaramouche," a 42-foot Hinckley powerboat. Martha Stewart
has a similar boat; the no-frills model reportedly starts at $695,000.
Sen. Kerry bought it new, for cash.




Every Tuesday night, the local politicians here that Kerry elbowed out
of his way on his march to the top watch, fascinated, as he claims
victory in more primaries and denounces the special interests, the
"millionaires" and "the overprivileged."

"His initials are JFK," longtime state Senate President William M.
Bulger used to muse on St. Patrick's Day, "Just for Kerry. He's only
Irish every sixth year." And now it turns out that he's not Irish at
all.

But in the parochial world of Bay State politics, he was never really
seen as Irish, even when he was claiming to be (although now, of course,
he says that any references to his alleged Hibernian heritage were
mistakenly put into the Congressional Record by an aide who apparently
didn't know that on his paternal side he is, in fact, part-Jewish).

Kerry is, in fact, a Brahmin - his mother was a Forbes, from one of
Massachusetts' oldest WASP families. The ancestor who wed Ralph Waldo
Emerson's daughter was marrying down.

At the risk of engaging in ethnic stereotyping, Yankees have a
reputation for, shall we say, frugality. And Kerry tosses around
quarters like they were manhole covers. In 1993, for instance, living on
a senator's salary of about $100,000, he managed to give a total of $135
to charity.

Yet that same year, he was somehow able to scrape together $8,600 for a
brand-new, imported Italian motorcycle, a Ducati Paso 907 IE. He kept it
for years, until he decided to run for president, at which time he
traded it in for a Harley-Davidson like the one he rode onto "The
Tonight Show" set a couple of months ago as Jay Leno applauded his
fellow Bay Stater.


Of course, in 1993 he was between his first and second heiresses - a
time he now calls "the wandering years," although an equally apt
description might be "the freeloading years."

For some of the time, he was, for all practical purposes, homeless. His
friends allowed him into a real-estate deal in which he flipped a condo
for quick resale, netting a $21,000 profit on a cash investment of
exactly nothing. For months he rode around in a new car supplied by a
shady local Buick dealer. When the dealer's ties to a congressman who
was later indicted for racketeering were exposed, Kerry quickly
explained that the non-payment was a mere oversight, and wrote out a
check.

In the Senate, his record of his constituent services has been
lackluster, and most of his colleagues, despite their public support,
are hard-pressed to list an accomplishment. Just last fall, a Boston TV
reporter ambushed three congressmen with the question, name something
John Kerry has accomplished in Congress. After a few nervous giggles,
two could think of nothing, and a third mentioned a baseball field, and
then misidentified Kerry as "Sen. Kennedy."

Many of his constituents see him in person only when he is cutting them
in line - at an airport, a clam shack or the Registry of Motor Vehicles.
One talk-show caller a few weeks back recalled standing behind a police
barricade in 2002 as the Rolling Stones played the Orpheum Theater, a
short limousine ride from Kerry's Louisburg Square mansion.

The caller, Jay, said he began heckling Kerry and his wife as they
attempted to enter the theater. Finally, he said, the senator turned to
him and asked him the eternal question.

"Do you know who I am?"

"Yeah," said Jay. "You're a gold-digger."

John Kerry. First he looks at the purse.

Howie Carr, a Boston Herald columnist and syndicated talk-radio host,
has been covering John Kerry for 25 years.

Regards,
Hist2004

[Seiyuuki]

According to the latest release of the federal financial disclosure forms, Kerry is the wealthiest Senator with a net worth at $164 million.

This number is uncomplete because it does not include federal salaries, pensions or primary residences, bank accounts worth less than $5,000 and Kerry's wife's net worth are also excluded.

Bush and Cheney combine net worth are around $90-$110 million.

[scott]

Old300,
obd was probably referring to the 1972 ABM treaty which will be ignored with NMD.

I am also bothered by his failure to ratify the Rome Statute in 2002.

[duck]

Bill O´Reilly being critical of Dubya? Naah, impossible, just something the GOP strategic planning guys have given him to publish.

[KML]

President Bush is just as bad as Clinton if you ask me. He has definately made the US unpopular, even with her allies, and he has really inflamed the Muslim World (Which is always inflamed a bit). He barely ever speaks about international issues, and after Israel assasinated those Hamas leaders, the White House Dissaproves! Bush has taken the war on terror throughout the world, but he dissaproves of the assination of a "big time terrorist" by a country that is fighting everyday for its very existance and the safety of its people? And really... why are we in Iraq? I support our troops a hundred percent, and I don't think the liberation of the Iraqi people was worth one American, British, Aussie, life. If the Iraqi people wanted freedom so badly, then why didn't the ****es and Sunni unite and gain it themselves! I can think of a list of other countries that pose a bigger threat to America than Iraq ever was.

Just my 2 cense

PS I wish our troops were allowed to fight this war the right way,
Taking fire from a mosque? Can somebody say "tactical nuclear weapons"
p-)

[Tane Angle]

If the Iraqi people wanted freedom so badly, then why didn't the ****es and Sunni unite and gain it themselves!
The Shiites did rise up after we promised them support. The support never came, and they were slaughtered.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[Seiyuuki]

I am also bothered by his failure to ratify the Rome Statute in 2002.

Only the Legislative branch of the government, specifically Congress, can ratify treaty.

The Executive branch, President cannot do much about it.

The Kyoto thingy whatever was never even brought to the floor of the Senate for discussion because Congressional's commitees refuse to give it the day and time. The President could beg all he want, if it doesn't get past Congressional committee, it doesn't get on the floor, if it doesn't get on the floor, it doesn't get voted on and hence it doesn't get ratify.

If you are to be bother...be bother with Congress.

[Tane Angle]

The Kyoto Accords is a joke to begin with, and Clinton wasn't great for the environment either, though at least he had minor subsidies.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[M1A2U2]

If you havent heard obd the economy is growing at a rapid rate now. unemployment is at its lowest average in the past 20 years. This all started after Bush cut taxes. Thank you for wasting our time iwth ur accusations you cant back up with facts

[Flagg]

The Kyoto Accords is a joke to begin with, and Clinton wasn't great for the environment either, though at least he had minor subsidies.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

G'day Tane:

Kyoto's a joke?

You should tell that to our Prime Minister Helen Clark (New Zealand)

NZ is onboard......I just hope the world either ratifies it or it gets dumped in favour of another solution....because being "onboard" when other competitive economies(ergo the US and others) aren't equates to a principled person voluntarily entering a firefight with a pellet gun......having your economy crumble over principles will not be fun.....the big boys(US again, and others) need to learn how to play nice on environmental emission issues...as they are the biggest emitters.

Sorry to go off topic..couldn't resist.

I am now back after a month-long absence of travel, training, and catching up on the little things in life.....

Who wants some? Just kidding

[scott]

it was in fact John Bolton, undersecretary of state for arms control and international security that wrote to Kofi Annan in 2002 saying that "The United States does not intend to become a party to the treaty. Accordingly, the United States has no legal obligation from its signature on December 31, 2000."

Congress never even had the chance to ratify it...

In addition, the US signed and ratified Vienna Convention of 1969 was broken in that even a signature without ratification binds a nation state to a treaty or statute. http://www.un.org/law/ilc/texts/treaties.htm

theres a fantastic article on this subject at CDI...

"What is lost is costly. First, the rest of the world will regard this action as another unilateral rejection of engagement by the United States except when narrow U.S. interests are involved. In turn, general U.S. diplomatic leadership will also suffer. Worse, the U.S. action sets a precedent for other nations who have signed but not ratified treaties to renounce any inclination to abide by the provisions of such treaties or to refrain from undermining their provisions when it suits their interests - as provided by the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties.

The administration's action also sets a precedent for similar U.S. actions with regard to other signed but unratified treaties. ...

What may also be at stake is U.S. adherence to the Vienna Convention itself. Media sources reported that the administration was prepared to announce it would also "unsign" the Vienna Convention at the same time it renounced the Rome Statute. (Indeed, the New York Times article stated that U.S. "officials" said the ICC withdrawal notification "was also intended to relieve the United States of obligations under the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties.") Article 18 of the Convention obligates nations not to take any action that might undermine treaties to which they are signatories even if the treaties are not ratified. Ironically, the United States signed but has never ratified the Vienna Convention although it has adhered to the provisions of Article 18.

To undo the Vienna Convention on top of "unsigning" the Rome Statute would constitute a second serious blow to the whole international system of the rule of law, and personal and national accountability for actions that the United States has championed for decades. Such action would further isolate the United States from allies and friends, and confirm for many the charge that the United States is becoming not just a dropout or refusenik but a "rogue" nation itself. That may be why a move against the Vienna Convention, if really contemplated, was postponed. Unfortunately, once such an idea surfaces, it may never go away."

-- Colonel Daniel Smith, USA (Ret.), Dropping Out - American Style, CDI Weekly Defense Monitor, Volume 6, Issue #14, May 16, 2002

[Gringo]

Why can't there be a third party? Kerry or Bush(again) are disasters waiting to happen.

I elect.......... Clyde the Orangatang from Every Which Way But Loose. He'd do the best job ever! :P

[Ian H]

Either him or Nick Frost's impression of him from SOTD.
His speeches would be funnier that way cos no doubt he'd bring Simon Pegg on board to write them.

[OB Kenobi]

PS I wish our troops were allowed to fight this war the right way,Taking fire from a mosque? Can somebody say "tactical nuclear weapons" p-)

Why aren't you in Iraq right now? Too young to enlist?

[OB Kenobi]

Why can't there be a third party? Kerry or Bush(again) are disasters waiting to happen.

There are tons of parties, you just don't hear about them much, in part thanks to the media completely ignoring them. Take a look at this link, you'll be surprised how many there are:

http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm

Some of the more unusual ones:

Libertarian National Socialist Green Party
Multicapitalist Party
Pan****** Peace Party
Pot Party
U.S. Marijuana Party
U.S. Pacifist Party
Freedom Socialist Party
Revolutionary Communist Party USA
Communist Party USA
American Nazi Party
The KKK
American Falangist Party

[786mine]

http://www.bushisms.com/
KnowTheCandidates.org
master Bush links page
Bush-CheneyTransition.com
bushstillsucks.com
GoBackToTexas.com
BushOnCrack.com
GWBush Art
Unauthorized Bush(Sr.) Bio
Bush is the Antichrist (with a well-reasoned argument)
The Bush Body Count
GeorgeBush2000.com
LittleGeorgeBush.com
BushCampaignHQ.com
Bushlite.net
GeorgyBush.com
trimnBush2shrub.org
BushSuckz.com
The Serial President and
Bush Kills Web Sites
GWBush: Hypocrisy on Parade Hypocrisy.org
gobacktotexas.com
Guerrilla Girls Bush Poster
bushswallows.com
parody bush art
bushboyzstolethevote.com
adamclymerfanclub.org
Smirk-o-rama
bushthumbs.com
bushneverwonflorida.com
New Links
dumbya.com
illegitprez.cjb.com
The Madness of King George
The Bushcountdown
gorewonflorida.org
Galbraith on Florida
madaboutchad.com
bushkills.com
awolbush.com
illegitbush.com
presidentmoron.com
bushbacklash.com
JohnAshcroftSucks.com
madaboutchad.com
citizens-at-large.com
democraticunderground.com
Enemies of Religious Freedom
the****ographyofpower.com
projectcnn.com


the official Bush's sites (for Bush voters?) BACK
http://www.BushSucks.com
BushSux.com
GeorgeBushSux.org
BushBlows.net
GeorgeWBushBlows.NET
GeorgeWBushBites.net
BushBlows.com
GeorgeWBushBlows.com


Check them out. Funny quotes and info that proove Bush is the dumbest American east of the Mississippi River......


KARL ROVE, Bush's long-time political guru and White House advisor:
"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans...
...unless they have too much education and vote Democratic,
which proves there can be too much of a good thing."

that is a lot of **** about bush. i think i've had enough of bush for one day.

[Gringo]

Either him or Nick Frost's impression of him from SOTD.
His speeches would be funnier that way cos no doubt he'd bring Simon Pegg on board to write them.

Yes! Great Idea

[Tane Angle]

Flagg, I said that Kyoto is a joke because it is a bandaid for a broken leg. Even if every nation in the world enforced the treaty today, it's requirements aren't strong enough to head off a world-wide security crisis.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[Lt_Crooks]

See i am not old enough to vote, but this is what i think. George Bush is NOT the greatest president but he is sure a hell lot better thatn that liberal pig John kerry. I really feel that the worlds future is better of without Saddams regime, Thanks to mr. Bush. If J.Kerry gets elected this country is going down the crap hole. With all this liberal issues going on . GAY MARRIGEs WTF??? these are all signs this world is going to end sooner than most think ppl think.


john kerry> :fork:

[Haiw]

GAY MARRIGEs WTF??? these are all signs this world is going to end sooner than most think ppl think.
Yeah I mean, what are they thinking?! Equal rights? Geez. Out of which piece of crap constitution did they pull that?! The world must be coming to an end...

[Tane Angle]

"Yeah, jeez, it sure is bad to see American citizens being granted their birth rights under the US Constitution, their equal rights. I mean, if since they're gay and all, they're sub-human. Why not just throw the wierdos into a gas chamber, since they're so sub-human."

What the heck? The usual response would be "I didn't say they were sub-human." Well if they're not sub-human, why can't they have the same rights as you and I? By the way, ever read Voltaire?

By the way, if you're too young too vote, may I ask as to the user name, particularly the first two letters?

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[Haiw]

Don't steal my fire damnit! p-)

[Tane Angle]

Sorry bud, didn't want you to have all the fun. p-)

PS:
john kerry> :fork:
Watch out for the Secret Service. ;)

[Haiw]

Ooooooh that's a death threat to a senator. I think this guy just bought himself a one-way ticket to Guantanamo Bay. p-)

[Tane Angle]

Not just a senator, a Presidential candidate! p-)

[Haiw]

And thereby eliminating the democratic process! This guy wants to stab democracy in the back! He's a threat to the free world! Let's get his ass to the Hague... p-)

[Fargin]

i think i've had enough of bush for one day.

You can't get enough bush for one day... unless you're talking politics.

[KML]

OB wrote
Why aren't you in Iraq right now? Too young to enlist?


Ya, I'm only 16, but I'm planning on a delayed enlistment in the Marine Corps when I turn 17.

P.S. I would be proud to serve my country in Iraq, no matter what a goat F$#k wrapped in red tape it is turining out to be!
p-)

[mattnwnc03]

well bush is our leader so he needs to lead or get out so sombody else can.we are at war and in harsh economic times.gas prices ,food,and just about everything is being priced out of this world right now.he hasnt said a word about nothing.its hard for sombody whos had money all his life to feel the pain of sombody whos in challenging economic times.plus hes single handliy destroyed the u.s. military.

[M1A2U2]

Funny you guys mention this. He is making a primetime speach monday night explaining his plans for Iraq. And by saying he has destroyed the military...maybe you should let the US military decide that because I think they would strongly disagree with that. When you talk about destroying the military talk about John Kerry who voted against giving the troops body armor. It doesnt get any clearer than that.

[martinexsquaddie]

Tane please stop speaking sense :lol:
spoils my fun laughing at loons :roll:

[Haiw]

Funny you guys mention this. He is making a primetime speach monday night explaining his plans for Iraq. And by saying he has destroyed the military...maybe you should let the US military decide that because I think they would strongly disagree with that. When you talk about destroying the military talk about John Kerry who voted against giving the troops body armor. It doesnt get any clearer than that.
First of all the body armour was only a tiny fraction of the entire bill which Kerry opposed, and second... do you really think the current deployment-level of troops is good for the military?!

[Tane Angle]

Nice post, Haiw.

It may not always seem like it from some of my posts, but I love the Army, and the military in general. I am so frustrated and disappointed because I am witnessing the veritable death of something I love. The military has been good to me. It is family. It is friends. It is people I owe my life to. And it's heartbreaking to see it treated so poorly. People are dying.

I've had some of the younger soldiers around here ask me more or less if those good folks are dying for nothing. At this point, this have gotten so bad, so ridiculously stupid and pointless often, that I can't look the kids in the eye and tell them that they're friends are dying for anything other than to keep one another alive. If the only reason they're fighting is self- and fellow-preservation, if it's only about survival, then we shouldn't be there.

Yeah, yeah, it's all about freeing the Iraqi people, but we don't have the means to bring true freedom to the Iraqi people. Our construction and social structure efforts are seriously hindered by a lack of an adequate ability to build such things. There aren't enough teachers and doctors, and they don't grow on trees.

Even if things were started with the best of intentions, intentions don't mean anything. It's only what is done and what is percieved. I say percieved, because when it comes to "winning hearts and minds," it's only matters what the people believe happened, not what actually did.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...