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Uncle Chô
05-21-2004, 11:16 AM
Here are somes scans from the photos I took last Sunday at the "Rotor Air Fete" that was held by the French Army Light Aviation at a local base in South West of France. A small airfield, beautiful weather and some interesting aircrafts...

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Sa-365N Panther from the Aéronavale (the Dolphin is my all time favorit helo ;)) Little quiz : what's the difference between a Dolphin and a Panther ? One extra blade for the Fenestron (tail rotor) ;)

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Aéronavale Lynx (ASW helicopter)

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The NH-90 prototype Nr. 2. This brand new machine is due to enter into service with the Aérnovale in late 2005. This was a NH Industrie civil crew.

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Sa-341 from the Light Army Aviation training school

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Civil Alouette III (a former military aircraft)

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A MedEvac EC-135

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A brand new Eurocopter EC-145 from the "Gendarmerie". The EC-145 is a SAR dedicated new helo based on the successful EC-135.

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AS-355 Fennec (a military twin engine Squirrel) from the Air Force.

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AS-332 Super Puma from the "Troupe d'Aviation Suisse". This aircraft made a stunning air display, the crew flew it almost like a F-18... woot

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Belgian Army "Force Terrestre" Agusta A-109. A graceful little machine.

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Sa-330 Puma from the Army. It made a tactical landing with some paratroopers below...

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On static display -among other interesting stuff- there was also a CH-53 / EC-135 / Bö-105 from Germany, a CH-47D from Spain (too bad it did not fly :() an AS-355 and an Army Lynx from the UK...
n.ignomo
05-21-2004, 11:37 AM
What is their equipment in the last pictures, i don't know those pants or shoes...and what is the gun on the extreme right of the 2nd last pic?

Thx
Pille1234
05-21-2004, 11:41 AM
I may add some chopper pics from this year's ILA

first a terrible ugly MI
http://www.oshkosh-web.net/forum/040514-EDDB/IMG_5131.jpg

a Tiger
http://www.oshkosh-web.net/forum/040514-EDDB/IMG_5184.jpg
http://www.oshkosh-web.net/forum/040514-EDDB/IMG_5085.jpg

Don't know what this is
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Berlin Police EC135
http://www.oshkosh-web.net/forum/040514-EDDB/IMG_5182.jpg

nh90 Navy version prototype (same as above?)
http://www.germanfragfreaks.de/WHQ/Flugzeugforum/ila%202004/nh90%20prototyp.jpg

first series produced NH90 army version
http://www.germanfragfreaks.de/WHQ/Flugzeugforum/NH90/nh90%2012.jpg
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ADAC BO105
http://www.ischys-welt.org/Bilder/ILA2004-Berlin/ILA2004-Kleine%20Bilder/adac-bo105-klein.jpg

CH53, Bell & BO flying
http://www.ischys-welt.org/Bilder/ILA2004-Berlin/ILA2004-Kleine%20Bilder/ch53-2-klein.jpg

small nh90
http://www.ischys-welt.org/Bilder/ILA2004-Berlin/ILA2004-Kleine%20Bilder/modell-nh90-klein.jpg

small tiger
http://www.ischys-welt.org/Bilder/ILA2004-Berlin/ILA2004-Kleine%20Bilder/modell-tiger-klein.jpg
Uncle Chô
05-21-2004, 11:59 AM
What is their equipment in the last pictures, i don't know those pants or shoes...and what is the gun on the extreme right of the 2nd last pic?Thx
G.C.P. from Pau. Shoes came from various commercial sources -as usual-with French SF troops- they roped down from the Puma so they each had rappelling harness. They carried FAMAS, MP-5SD, shotgun (Mossberg?) and Minimi.

Tough looking guys indeed ;)
HumanShield
05-21-2004, 12:25 PM
http://www.ischys-welt.org/Bilder/ILA2004-Berlin/ILA2004-Kleine%20Bilder/modell-tiger-klein.jpg
Blades of the rotors, look like the blade on my 15'' Tanto knife. Looks pretty damn cool
MisterTangerineSpeedo
05-21-2004, 01:23 PM
Nice pictures, I'm jealous! That Panther looks SWEET!
perdurabo
05-21-2004, 03:43 PM
I may add some chopper pics from this year's ILA

first a terrible ugly MI
http://www.oshkosh-web.net/forum/040514-EDDB/IMG_5131.jpg

don't say **** about MI8/14/17 series you can only say **** on its pilots or its painting but not on machine!
SiFiOn
05-21-2004, 03:46 PM
GP Uncle!
Pille1234
05-21-2004, 06:04 PM
I may add some chopper pics from this year's ILA

first a terrible ugly MI
http://www.oshkosh-web.net/forum/040514-EDDB/IMG_5131.jpg

don't say **** about MI8/14/17 series you can only say **** on its pilots or its painting but not on machine!
Hey I'm not talking about the pilots or paintings, not even about the technical capabilities of that machine. But it just looks ugly, no doubt. I doubt anyone could find that chopper beautiful :lol:
perdurabo
05-21-2004, 06:12 PM
Hey I'm not talking about the pilots or paintings, not even about the technical capabilities of that machine. But it just looks ugly, no doubt. I doubt anyone could find that chopper beautiful :lol:
agh !! thats it :fork:
j/k
i have sentiment for mi8 it was my first time .... that i flew helo and it was that big biatch great feelings espetially when you have 8yrs
AFACadet
05-21-2004, 06:39 PM
http://www.oshkosh-web.net/forum/040514-EDDB/IMG_5187.jpg


Aerospatiael Ecureuil 350 (and was formally made in Texas and called the Astar).
Trigger
05-21-2004, 06:48 PM
Great pics guys!! woot
DeltaWhisky58
05-21-2004, 07:01 PM
Excellent Helo pix - expecially the new NH90 shots.
GazB
05-23-2004, 05:58 AM
Hey I'm not talking about the pilots or paintings, not even about the technical capabilities of that machine. But it just looks ugly, no doubt. I doubt anyone could find that chopper beautiful

A b52 looks ugly, as does an A-10, an AH-64, but like a Hip they weren't made to look pretty for schoolboys to drool over. They do a job and they do it well. With regard to the hip 17,000 users can't be wrong.
perdurabo
05-23-2004, 06:51 AM
Hey I'm not talking about the pilots or paintings, not even about the technical capabilities of that machine. But it just looks ugly, no doubt. I doubt anyone could find that chopper beautiful

A b52 looks ugly, as does an A-10, an AH-64, but like a Hip they weren't made to look pretty for schoolboys to drool over. They do a job and they do it well. With regard to the hip 17,000 users can't be wrong.
i love that helo its as big as bus! :D and in my eyes its not ugly...
GazB
05-24-2004, 04:15 AM
i love that helo its as big as bus! and in my eyes its not ugly...

I love it too... especially the new all weather versions with the ramp rear door.
For someone who doesn't know any better the sleek new euro designs look faster, but the Hip is the real deal... there were more HIPs made than Hueys.
Pille1234
05-27-2004, 04:08 PM
A b52 looks ugly,
right

as does an A-10
wrong.
http://www.germanfragfreaks.de/WHQ/Flugzeugforum/ila%202004/gau8%202.jpg

an AH-64, but like a Hip they weren't made to look pretty for schoolboys to drool over.
I don't care for what they are made. A Merlin or NH90 isn't made for looking good either, but they do. That MI does not.

They do a job and they do it well. With regard to the hip 17,000 users can't be wrong.
Now you can have a different taste, but the number of users can't be an argument for the appearance.
CannibalSquirel
05-27-2004, 04:28 PM
cool pics
GazB
05-30-2004, 12:22 AM
Why does picturing a crap gun make the A-10 not ugly?

There is even an A-10 unit with a arm patch that says "Ugly, but well hung".

If fire power were a measure of beauty then 6 x 32 shot rocket pods, 6 ATGMs and a 50 cal HMG would make the HIP rather better looking than the NH-90. Looks like the abomination offspring of a Puma and a Commanche with that edge down its side.


Now you can have a different taste, but the number of users can't be an argument for the appearance.

No, it is an argument for performance and capability.. which is actually what military equipment is designed for. It may come as a shock but the HIP wasn't designed so you could think it looks pretty.


I don't care for what they are made.

Hmmm, so you can be this discussion boards expert on pretty? "I don't care whether it can do the job it was designed for, or whether it is combat proven or reliable of capable... it is just how pretty it looks that is important.

I'd rather have an ugly Apache than a new pretty but largely unproven Tiger any day.

But then I have never served... perhaps someone who has actually put their butt on the line can tell us how the most important feature of their equipment and weapons was how pretty it looked?
jean-marc6969
05-30-2004, 01:38 PM
n.ignomo wrote:

What is their equipment in the last pictures, i don't know those pants or shoes...and what is the gun on the extreme right of the 2nd last pic?Thx
Between the others shoes there is some Oakley's boots and some Hi-Tec / Magnum boots too ( old models with the "flat" sole design on the side of the boots )
The rifle on the extreme right is a FAMAS with a special rail mounted on it with an aimpoint or an ACOG ( not sure wich one with the res of the pics )
The shotgun seems to be a remington 870 with the typical folding stock and the typical shape of the synthetic black grip there is also a Surefire handguard with the light un mounted.
The pants and the vests are both made by SASS in UKhttp://www.sasskit.co.uk/ and were part of a contract for the GCP ( Airborne Commando Group ) of the COS ( Special Operations Command )
They are made out of the same RIP-STOP NYCO as the military UK clothing but in a french C/E camo pattern.
If the show happened to be in PAU the helis are surely from the DAOS ( Special Operations Air Force Departement )
bloddyaxe
05-30-2004, 07:34 PM
The Mi-8 is actually not ugly. It is beautiful. So is the NH 90, but the Tiger is indeed very ugly, especially when compared to the Mi28.

The moral of this story is: Some people have good taste, some do not. Some people have some disabilities which makes them hate Russian hardware and love their own peoples hardware looks, even when they are really ugly. This disability is very important, because there have to be people to take care of all the hideously ugly children.